Off Topic IV

Jaruff · Post #1081 » by **Jaruff** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 3:59 pm

ohara wrote:RIP Andy Griffith. You lived 86 wonderful and productive years. You touched many lives, and thank you for just being Andy Griffith.

That's a shame. I enjoyed him as a kid on the Andy Griffith Show and Matlock.

Post #1082 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jul 3, 2012 11:06 pm

Sachmo wrote:can you relate to this post Slam.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1191986

RMJ wrote:OT: Aussie Raptor fan
Hey guys i have been a Raptors fan since i was 12 years old, we dont get much coverage down here but reading everything from Realgm keeps me up to date, im 24 now and we are still medicore, how are we going to change that when players do not want to come to Toronto, i dont live there so tell me is it that bad up there??

Pretty much.

Eoghan · Post #1083 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:13 am

Andy Griffith was a douche, he tricked old people into voting for dumb candidates.

e4Nf6 · Post #1084 » by **e4Nf6** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:15 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Andy Griffith was a douche, he tricked old people into voting for dumb candidates.

The world is a sad place sometimes....political allegiances trump basic decency.

Eoghan · Post #1085 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:43 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Andy Griffith was a douche, he tricked old people into voting for dumb candidates.

The world is a sad place sometimes....political allegiances trump basic decency.

Nope, no political allegiance, I'm unaffiliated and apolitical. He put a whole chit ton of Dems in office b/c his "celebrity" tricked old people into voting for them.

Post #1086 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 6:29 pm

if matlock tells you to vote for someone you better do it. he's **** matlock.

e4Nf6 · Post #1087 » by **e4Nf6** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:14 pm

Griffith is not the problem, IMO. If people choose who they vote for based on something frivolous like celebrity endorsements than in the absence of celebrities they'll just find some other frivolous reason to vote for somebody.

The guy believed he was doing the right thing. Whether or not you agree with him he doesn't deserve "douche" status. That should probably be reserved for those that intentionaly do wrong to benefit themselves.

captaincrunk · Post #1088 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:15 pm

besides, it's not like the elections really matter

Eoghan · Post #1089 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:30 pm

Using your celebrity to get votes is the douchiest thing you can do, IMO. Just b/c people vote stupidly regardless doesn't mean we should stop trying to buck the trend.

People die all the time, why do we only care about the rich and famous ones? Doesn't sound very decent to me, sounds like unsubstantiated favoritism.

e4Nf6 · Post #1090 » by **e4Nf6** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:29 pm

So a person who is well known should carefully keep secret their opinions on political issues so as not to unduly influence the voters? Aren't politicians celebrities themselves? Can a politician ethically support himself?

Edit:
Btw, I can't say I'm especially affected emotional by Griffith's death. And I agree that it's strange to see people overcome with sadness because of the death of someone they didn't know and who didn't affect their life in anyway. It just seems unfair to criticize famous people for being famous.

Btw2, If Thom Yorke or Garry Kasparov died I would be a little bit sad and I've never met either of them.

captaincrunk · Post #1091 » by **captaincrunk** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:42 pm

I really doubt people are actually overcome with sadness. Normal people anyway.

Post #1092 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 10:03 pm

captaincrunk wrote:I really doubt people are actually overcome with sadness. Normal people anyway.

oh, i bet the people in mount airy, nc are definitely overcome with sadness.

TheKingofSting · Post #1093 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:09 pm

RIP Andy Griffith

Post #1094 » by **Diop** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:13 am

BrotherDave wrote:Using your celebrity to get votes is the douchiest thing you can do, IMO. Just b/c people vote stupidly regardless doesn't mean we should stop trying to buck the trend.

Didn't JFK use Frank Sinatra to help him get where he was?

captaincrunk · Post #1095 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 12:20 am

Sachmo wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Using your celebrity to get votes is the douchiest thing you can do, IMO. Just b/c people vote stupidly regardless doesn't mean we should stop trying to buck the trend.

Didn't JFK use Frank Sinatra to help him get where he was?

shot? Well Sinatra did have mob ties

doc.end · Post #1096 » by **doc.end** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:37 am

Why don't you guys you can't stand each other don't add each other into ignore list? You know who I am talking about. You have bright moments and without frequent battles this boards is better with you than without you. Sort it out please. (sorry for backseat moderating if it is, fat and co.)

Stun704 · Post #1097 » by **Stun704** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 4:02 pm

doc.end wrote:Why don't you guys you can't stand each other don't add each other into ignore list? You know who I am talking about. You have bright moments and without frequent battles this boards is better with you than without you. Sort it out please. (sorry for backseat moderating if it is, fat and co.)

I don't have a problem with anyone who currently posts on here

Eoghan · Post #1098 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:18 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:So a person who is well known should carefully keep secret their opinions on political issues so as not to unduly influence the voters? Aren't politicians celebrities themselves? Can a politician ethically support himself?

No, there's a difference b/w a celeb telling their opinion and starring in political ads for their candidate of choice, which is what Griffith did. I hate pandering, I refuse to vote for blatant panderers. Anyway, I've never heard of anyone meeting him and thinking much of him, but I've heard the opposite.

captaincrunk wrote:
Sachmo wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Using your celebrity to get votes is the douchiest thing you can do, IMO. Just b/c people vote stupidly regardless doesn't mean we should stop trying to buck the trend.

Didn't JFK use Frank Sinatra to help him get where he was?

shot? Well Sinatra did have mob ties

JFK had mob ties, his father became rich via organized crime during Prohibition.

e4Nf6 · Post #1099 » by **e4Nf6** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:00 pm

BrotherDave wrote:No, there's a difference b/w a celeb telling their opinion and starring in political ads for their candidate of choice, which is what Griffith did.

Of course I agree that elections should really be decided by the issues and not things like celebrity endorsements. But what is the difference between "pandering" and "telling your opinion?" The number of people who are watching? How many people have to be watching before it becomes unethical? If a politician(who is also a celebrity) makes a TV ad endorsing himself is that wrong?

Btw,I have no idea what kind of person Griffith was and I don't care to tell the truth, I'm more interested in the idea of celebrity endorsements being wrong.

Eoghan · Post #1100 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 8:49 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:No, there's a difference b/w a celeb telling their opinion and starring in political ads for their candidate of choice, which is what Griffith did.

Of course I agree that elections should really be decided by the issues and not things like celebrity endorsements. But what is the difference between "pandering" and "telling your opinion?" The number of people who are watching? How many people have to be watching before it becomes unethical? If a politician(who is also a celebrity) makes a TV ad endorsing himself is that wrong?

Btw,I have no idea what kind of person Griffith was and I don't care to tell the truth, I'm more interested in the idea of celebrity endorsements being wrong.

If you're a celebrity and you are out doing stuff, like at the Oscars or something, and you use the camera time to plug your support for x candidate that's only mildly douchey but okay. Starring in a political ad for or speaking at a major rally for x candidate is super douchey and a sad pandering maneuver on the candidate's behalf. The politician has nothing to do with it, he's selling himself (or herself). Politicians whoring themselves out is to be expected but getting some celebrity to act like your buddy and sell you is complete shenanigans.