Asik Discussion. Pg 50 Sheridan: Bulls will match

[transplant]

Can you guys stop acting like losing Asik makes the Bulls a non-elite defensive team. I can't recall a single 12-15mpg in the NBA who was the anchor of an elite-defensive team, the way people are making Asik out to be.

He's not THE anchor...he's AN anchor. It's a team, dammit. He's a good player overall, but an elite defensive player...great....exceptional...extraordinary. Why the hell do you think Houston's offering him what they're offering him? Are they insane or maybe they value one of the best defensive centers in the NBA very highly and don't much care that he'd only play 12-15 mpg for the Bulls. You may not think that much of him, but Houston obviously does.

If you're a mid-market NBA have-not which is operating at a loss or just eaking out a small profit, this would be a no-brainer...let him walk. The Bulls are a rich team, so it's not a no-brainer...it's a tough decision.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Lol, for 1 year?

You're not being open minded.

That's what you're calling it?

You're acting like Asik can never be the starting center for the Chicago Bulls. I love Noah, but if he can net the right player, I'd deal him.

[Red Larrivee]

He's not THE anchor...he's AN anchor.

He's not an anchor of any sort.

It's a team, dammit.

EXACTLY. It's a sum of the parts. Losing one part sucks, but at the end of the day it's just like the players on the team say "next man up." Everybody knows the system, everybody knows the rotations they need to make. Losing one guy does not kill the defense. If losing one guy kills the defense, you aren't legitimately a good defense.

He's a good player overall, but an elite defensive player...great....exceptional...extraordinary. Why the hell do you think Houston's offering him what they're offering him?

To improve defensively and punish the Bulls salary cap if they match. Two way street.

Are they insane or maybe they value one of the best defensive centers in the NBA very highly and don't much care that he'd only play 12-15 mpg for the Bulls. You may not think that much of him, but Houston obviously does.

That's the thing, I DO value Omer. But not to the level of that third year salary. I think you guys are confusing anyone who doesn't want to match that contract, as people who don't value him, and it's not true.

If you're a mid-market NBA have-not which is operating at a loss or just eaking out a small profit, this would be a no-brainer...let him walk. The Bulls are a rich team, so it's not a no-brainer...it's a tough decision.

It' is a tough decision, that much has been acknowledged.

[transplant]

Lol, for 1 year?

You're not being open minded.

That's what you're calling it?

You're acting like Asik can never be the starting center for the Chicago Bulls. I love Noah, but if he can net the right player, I'd deal him.

I suspect that this may be one of the few times we'll end up agreeing on something.

I think that Noah's better than Asik.

I think Noah's a good defensive center.

I think Asik's a much better defensive center than Noah. I think Dwight Howard and Omer Asik are the two best defensive centers in the league.

That's what my eyes tell me...I believe my eyes.

[Mech Engineer]

I think Asik's a much better defensive center than Noah. I think Dwight Howard and Omer Asik are the two best defensive centers in the league.

That's what my eyes tell me...I believe my eyes.

Agree to that. The point is Asik will be in his 3rd year now even if he is 26. He might not have a 15 year career like others who start at age 20. But, he definitely hasn't reached his peak. And from what he shown in the last 2 years, his defense in his peak years if healthy would be awesome to watch/awesome on impact for the team.

IMO, a lot of people blast Reinsdorf on spending and now they don't want him to spend for one year? If signing Asik impacts a basketball decision, they can make a change next year to get a better needed piece than what Houston will give as charity if he doesn't sign their offer sheet and goes in a S & T.

[dice]

You're acting like Asik can never be the starting center for the Chicago Bulls. I love Noah, but if he can net the right player, I'd deal him.

I suspect that this may be one of the few times we'll end up agreeing on something.

I think that Noah's better than Asik.

I think Noah's a good defensive center.

I think Asik's a much better defensive center than Noah. I think Dwight Howard and Omer Asik are the two best defensive centers in the league.

That's what my eyes tell me...I believe my eyes.

thirded

although to put omer on dwight's level defensively we need to see him more against starting units. right now i'd put him a notch behind along with tim duncan. and those two are going in opposite directions, obviously

also, with the lack of respect omer gets from officials we simply don't know if he can handle starters minutes on a consistent basis

[1rage]

He's not an anchor of any sort.

#1 in PPP on Synergy stats and #6 on Hollinger's advanced stats begs to differ.

Eye test works too.

Locking down the paint is not being an anchor?

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

IMO, a lot of people blast Reinsdorf on spending and now they don't want him to spend for one year? If signing Asik impacts a basketball decision, they can make a change next year to get a better needed piece than what Houston will give as charity if he doesn't sign their offer sheet and goes in a S & T.

This is the problem, Mech.

It will NOT be easy to move him. That 3rd year $15 million amount is bad news.

[ChicagoLegend]

How people think that Asik is going to learn to play offense in 2-3 years for 15 million dollars?

Houston thinks they can do it with Kevin Mchale working with Aisk and others.

It's a big gamble for any team.

[jl342323]

How people think that Asik is going to learn to play offense in 2-3 years for 15 million dollars?

Houston thinks they can do it with Kevin Mchale working with Aisk and others.

It's a big gamble for any team.

a little mentoring from one of the craftiest post scorer in the history of nba should help asik alot.

in FIBA world championship in 2010, asik put up 8.9 ppg 6.9 rpg playing only 19 minutes per game. if he improves his conditioning, and gains some confidence he will most likely put up close to 10 ppg imo.

i was impressed with his play in FIBA world championship and i went as far as staying he will average double-double in the nba couple years ago. houston is the perfect opportunity to make this a real possibility.

[dice]

a little mentoring from one of the craftiest post scorer in the history of nba should help asik alot.

mentoring will not grow him a decent pair of hands and craftiness is waaaaaay down the checklist for omer

there are things he can do to improve offensively certainly, starting with the seemingly simple instruction not to bring the ball down to waist level after an offensive rebound. and maybe developing a shot near the rim other than a dunk. but he'll never be an even average offensive player

[Merk256]

and letting a trade asset walk out the door is somehow supposed to help us facilitate that trade? ...You realize you might want to have something they want to make that deal right?

Sorry, I forgot Asik was the Bulls only asset. It's the a $14M difference in our payroll for 2014-15. It's a big difference in terms of what you can and can't do under the cap.

The Bulls can either accept the Arenas Provision 5-5-15 for Asik or he goes to Houston. If the Bulls match, they can't trade him until 1/15/13. That's the situation.

That's good knowledge to know then. I'm fine losing him for nothing though. It's the reality of the NBA. A lot of times you can lose a good player for nothing.

So whats your game plan then?

Butler and a couple late first? They'll laugh at that

Boozer? Please

send Noah and have a gapping hole a Center?

What exactly is your plan? praying

because the logical fallacies in your plan are infinite

[JimmyJammer]

The Bulls got hit with a sucker punch by Houston. I remember last year the Bulls approached the Rockets about Courtney Lee, and they asked for Asik, the Bulls hung up the phone on them. They are going at it again. I hope that Gar is smart enough to know, with the declining of Hamilton, that we need a starting SG more than we need a back-up center. Sign and trade for Lee is the way I would go with this and keep everybody happy. The Bulls plans to bring Mirotic over for the 2014-15 season, so Asik's contract would definitely be on the way of that. We get Lee, and we sign a back-up big man for the veteran minimum.

[1rage]

gotta love the Nostradamus like comments. He has bad hands at times, yes. But.. he has shown some post moves in his time with us, albeit sparsely. You gotta think that McHale or Hakeem could clean those up couldn't you?

[JimmyJammer]

gotta love the Nostradamus like comments. He has bad hands at times, yes. But.. he has shown some post moves in his time with us, albeit sparsely. You gotta think that McHale or Hakeem could clean those up couldn't you?

I think Omer has anxiety issues when they throw him the ball inside. He is rushing to catch and put it up before he gets fouled, he forgets to catch the ball first.

[Rerisen]

All these league moves, good or bad for matching the Turkish Hammer?

I say good.

[fleet]

All these league moves, good or bad for matching the Turkish Hammer?

I say good.

elaborate please. I don't feel any different. Still very worried.

[Rerisen]

All these league moves, good or bad for matching the Turkish Hammer?

I say good.

elaborate please. I don't feel any different. Still very worried.

Well are you on the sign or don't sign side? I want him to be kept.

So what I mean is Bulls brass looks at these various moves, teams ramping up, and does it make them feel we need all the firepower we have or less.

Obviously if we think next year is truly the silly phrased "lost cause" it wont' matter one iota, but have to feel it pushes the impetus not to let Houston steal our guy just a little bit.

[fleet]

most def keep him. I cannot fathom letting 7 foot talent walk away for nothing. I keep him. I think it gives the Bulls cover for trading Noah if a great deal comes along, and even if the Asik deal is untradeable now, its not untradeable going into his last overpaid year despite worrying to the contrary. He'll be a valued center with a large expiring number that some team will want. I hope the Bulls see that they can't afford to let young talent walk. If the Bulls had big time scorers to cover for the lack of stops, then they can let him go if they had to. But not now, not with what the Bulls are working with on the perimeter. The moves the league is making I don't think it affects their agenda whatever it is, but I hope you are right

[WookieOnRitalin]

I'd love to keep Omer, but I don't think it's a reality at 25 million.

This is a Gortat situation for us.

Do we pay X number of dollars for a guy to play 10-15 minutes a game when if we let him walk, he'll play more than double that with his new team? At that point, the contract would be worth the production from Houstons point of view, but financially its a bad move for the Bulls. We cannot justify paying a player that wage for limited minutes/production.

If we match, the Bulls must start exploring the idea of trading Noah and even though Omer is a better defensive player/rebounder than Noah, I still like Noah's hangs, ability with the ball, and he's also a damn good rebounder in his own right.

To me, this is a discussion between Omer and Noah. If you match Omer, you have to try to move Noah. The question becomes, how much faith do you have in Joakim? Do you feel he's the piece or not? I still believe Noah is a better fit/option for this team.

Omer's market value should have been around 20 million max. Damn you Houston. Damn you.