Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Edition)

[rcklsscognition]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

[PeePee la Fritz]

I'm flabbergasted that anyone on this board thinks Brook Lopez for $10M per year is better than nothing. I wouldn't take Lopez for free....... and he's goofy and ugly too

[pogiro]

i would rather keep Dwight, make him play out this season and face a free agency where his best options are a rebuilding Dallas and Atlanta, rather than trade him to the market he and his agents want him to go to. heck, i'd be happy if the Magic made him sit on the bench while we suck our way into a lottery pick, so at least when he goes to sign with another team he's looking back at his former team with a potential superstar - Tmac style. and whilst that might sound like a spiteful move, it's not. i actually just don't want to see the Magic taking back Lopez, or any other piece of garbage from the Nets. i don't even want to do a Bynum deal because i'm fairly confident his knees will give up again soon and we'll be stuck with Grant Hill 2.0.

i think Dwight is well within his rights to demand changes on this team, i think he's well within his rights to advise us that he's unhappy and doesn't plan to re-sign with us once his deal is up, but he's got no rights to dictate where we trade him if we want to trade him. i'm sick of players bullying teams into getting to play where they want.

no offense but speak for yourself....Dwight is going to walk anyway.....if i have a shot of getting out of the contract hell Otis put us in then i'm all for the big picture.....Ben you sound like you're letting your feelings talk for you....but it's your opinion so i can respect that....but me personally i would love to keep Howard if he wanted to be here....but he doesn't....so in that case i want to be in the best position i can when 2013 rolls around....

What's the rush in getting out of bad contracts? Come 2013, who would you target if Dwight isn't here? Because there's not really anyone you can build a team around. There's a ton of talent, but the type of talent that'd only be worth bringing in if Dwight is here, not the type of talent you rebuild with. Also Hedo and Duhon's contracts aren't fully guaranteed. So they can be cut and from my understanding they'd take up half of their current salaries.

[Cigamodnalro]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Lopez can't rebound or defend, can't muscle with the elite bigs or doesn't care to, and was out all of last season with injury.

The end goal should be winning a championship. Lopez is not a championship calaber starting center. If we can't pull one championship caliber starter by trading the second best player in the league, then were doing something wrong.

I'm okay (but not happy) trading Dwight for an expiring contract, so long as that expiring contract is Andrew Bynum.

[SolidSnake008]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

exactly my train of thought.....i believe we're both looking at the big picture....people seem to be letting their anger and frustration do the talking....people need to remember that this is a business....if the deal makes sense then it would be stupid for a business not to at least consider it as one of the options....Rob to me seems like a big picture type of guy....

[dariusl7]

i would rather keep Dwight, make him play out this season and face a free agency where his best options are a rebuilding Dallas and Atlanta, rather than trade him to the market he and his agents want him to go to. heck, i'd be happy if the Magic made him sit on the bench while we suck our way into a lottery pick, so at least when he goes to sign with another team he's looking back at his former team with a potential superstar - Tmac style. and whilst that might sound like a spiteful move, it's not. i actually just don't want to see the Magic taking back Lopez, or any other piece of garbage from the Nets. i don't even want to do a Bynum deal because i'm fairly confident his knees will give up again soon and we'll be stuck with Grant Hill 2.0.

i think Dwight is well within his rights to demand changes on this team, i think he's well within his rights to advise us that he's unhappy and doesn't plan to re-sign with us once his deal is up, but he's got no rights to dictate where we trade him if we want to trade him. i'm sick of players bullying teams into getting to play where they want.

its a good thing you dont own a business, you would run it into the ground. you dont let an asset just die, you use it, for the best it can give you.

And a lottery pick doesnt always work out. Kwame Brown? Okafor? Derrick Favors? Wesley Johnson? Thabeet? Tyreke Evans? Beasley? Mayo?

All top-4 picks. Some have turned out to be okay players, some barely hanging on to a roster spot. None of them are a star.

If you own business you should know that you buy low and sell high. In this situation you stay neautrual until you can use your asset again to your benefit or oportunity arises to sell high. Nets offer is garbage. Nobody got rich by panicing.

[pogiro]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Meer, BBD, Lopez, Brooks and who? Find me someone in next year FA group that would get that lineup to the Finals. I'm not seeing one. Josh Smith? That'll get us to about 3rd or 4th in the East and a 2nd round exit.

[tiderulz]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Lopez can't rebound or defend, can't muscle with the elite bigs or doesn't care to, and was out all of last season with injury.

The end goal should be winning a championship. Lopez is not a championship calaber starting center. If we can't pull one championship caliber starter by trading the second best player in the league, then were doing something wrong.

I'm okay (but not happy) trading Dwight for an expiring contract, so long as that expiring contract is Andrew Bynum.

its not that the Magic is doing something wrong, Dwight has shown so much immaturity that no one wants to risk him. If he was under contract for 2 more years, we would easily have more offers. But he tells everyone that he wont resign with them, why would any team give up any decent players for someone that will most likely walk away after this year?

[PeePee la Fritz]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Meer, BBD, Lopez, Brooks and who? Find me someone in next year FA group that would get to the Finals. I'm not seeing one.

No Dwight Howard trade is going to get Orlando to the finals next year. Orlando is not going to be a great basketball team for another 3-4 years people. REBUILD! And last time I checked, Orlando wasnt getting to the finals with Dwight Howard

[Deezy]

If the Nets cannot consummate a deal to rid us of Hedo, JRich and Doo-hon, plus trade us a slew of picks, Brooks, Lopez for ~$10M and an expiring, there's no way we should even consider dealing with them.

[tiderulz]

i would rather keep Dwight, make him play out this season and face a free agency where his best options are a rebuilding Dallas and Atlanta, rather than trade him to the market he and his agents want him to go to. heck, i'd be happy if the Magic made him sit on the bench while we suck our way into a lottery pick, so at least when he goes to sign with another team he's looking back at his former team with a potential superstar - Tmac style. and whilst that might sound like a spiteful move, it's not. i actually just don't want to see the Magic taking back Lopez, or any other piece of garbage from the Nets. i don't even want to do a Bynum deal because i'm fairly confident his knees will give up again soon and we'll be stuck with Grant Hill 2.0.

i think Dwight is well within his rights to demand changes on this team, i think he's well within his rights to advise us that he's unhappy and doesn't plan to re-sign with us once his deal is up, but he's got no rights to dictate where we trade him if we want to trade him. i'm sick of players bullying teams into getting to play where they want.

its a good thing you dont own a business, you would run it into the ground. you dont let an asset just die, you use it, for the best it can give you.

And a lottery pick doesnt always work out. Kwame Brown? Okafor? Derrick Favors? Wesley Johnson? Thabeet? Tyreke Evans? Beasley? Mayo?

All top-4 picks. Some have turned out to be okay players, some barely hanging on to a roster spot. None of them are a star.

If you own business you should know that you buy low and sell high. In this situation you stay neautrual until you can use your asset again to your benefit or oportunity arises to sell high. Nets offer is garbage. Nobody got rich by panicing.

I can agree with that. But people saying, bench him, send him for nothing to siberia. Our plan is to be a lottery team, a lot of teams become lottery teams and they dont come back from that for a long time.

[rcklsscognition]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Lopez can't rebound or defend, can't muscle with the elite bigs or doesn't care to, and was out all of last season with injury.

The end goal should be winning a championship. Lopez is not a championship calaber starting center. If we can't pull one championship caliber starter by trading the second best player in the league, then were doing something wrong.

I'm okay (but not happy) trading Dwight for an expiring contract, so long as that expiring contract is Andrew Bynum.

So you're Henny, two options on the table, only two.

1) Dwight for Bynum straight up.
2) Dwight for NJ returning Lopez at 10 million a year, 9 million savings over Bynum.

Is Bynum worth the extra 9 million? What can that 9 million buy in addition to our existing space next year?

[pogiro]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Meer, BBD, Lopez, Brooks and who? Find me someone in next year FA group that would get to the Finals. I'm not seeing one.

No Dwight Howard trade is going to get Orlando to the finals next year. Orlando is not going to be a great basketball team for another 3-4 years people. REBUILD! And last time I checked, Orlando wasnt getting to the finals with Dwight Howard

Exactly, then what's the point in getting out of bad contracts if we're not going to contend for another 3-4 years? That's not a selling point.

[tiderulz]

Exactly, then what's the point in getting out of bad contracts if we're not going to contend for another 3-4 years? That's not a selling point.

maybe the need to get out of bad contracts isnt high when you arent going to contend. But picking up assets to either trade for more or develop is better than getting absolutely nothing.

[rcklsscognition]

Besides those of you who are just plain refusing to deal with the Nets, for the others, would you deal with them if they could get Orlando an expiring contract, Brooks, and Lopez for 10 mil a year?

Summer of 2013 would be a net gain of 5 million on our capspace and we'd have just 25 million invested into Meer, BBD, Lopez, and Brooks. We could hit FA hard and get a SF, PG/SG. Remember, Lopez would be a 18/8 guy.

Meer, BBD, Lopez, Brooks and who? Find me someone in next year FA group that would get to the Finals. I'm not seeing one.

No Dwight Howard trade is going to get Orlando to the finals next year. Orlando is not going to be a great basketball team for another 3-4 years people. REBUILD! And last time I checked, Orlando wasnt getting to the finals with Dwight Howard

For real folks, wake up, Bynum is the best we're getting in terms of all-star caliber players. No one we get is taking us to the championship this year. Look at the results next summer or the year after or after that. Is Brook Lopez on a 4 year 10 mil per deal netting us 9,10,11, and eventually 12 million more capspace vs Bynum that much worse than Bynum? Guy averaged 18 and 8 two years in a row before Humphries started jacking all his rebounds and the guy moved on to scoring buckets.

[SolidSnake008]

i would rather keep Dwight, make him play out this season and face a free agency where his best options are a rebuilding Dallas and Atlanta, rather than trade him to the market he and his agents want him to go to. heck, i'd be happy if the Magic made him sit on the bench while we suck our way into a lottery pick, so at least when he goes to sign with another team he's looking back at his former team with a potential superstar - Tmac style. and whilst that might sound like a spiteful move, it's not. i actually just don't want to see the Magic taking back Lopez, or any other piece of garbage from the Nets. i don't even want to do a Bynum deal because i'm fairly confident his knees will give up again soon and we'll be stuck with Grant Hill 2.0.

i think Dwight is well within his rights to demand changes on this team, i think he's well within his rights to advise us that he's unhappy and doesn't plan to re-sign with us once his deal is up, but he's got no rights to dictate where we trade him if we want to trade him. i'm sick of players bullying teams into getting to play where they want.

no offense but speak for yourself....Dwight is going to walk anyway.....if i have a shot of getting out of the contract hell Otis put us in then i'm all for the big picture.....Ben you sound like you're letting your feelings talk for you....but it's your opinion so i can respect that....but me personally i would love to keep Howard if he wanted to be here....but he doesn't....so in that case i want to be in the best position i can when 2013 rolls around....

What's the rush in getting out of bad contracts? Come 2013, who would you target if Dwight isn't here? Because there's not really anyone you can build a team around. There's a ton of talent, but the type of talent that'd only be worth bringing in if Dwight is here, not the type of talent you rebuild with. Also Hedo and Duhon's contracts aren't fully guaranteed. So they can be cut and from my understanding they'd take up half of their current salaries.

Dwight isn't going to be here for the 13-14 season so there is no Dwight to build around either way....so why not try to form a more complete team with talent and set us up with picks for the future which we could either keep or trade? Rob said he wants guys that want to be here and guys that will buy into something that's bigger than themselves....If Rob indeed does the Nets deal then he's basically hitting the reset button and trying to build the team from scratch the right way.....New Front office.....New Coaching Staff.....New players with the right mindset and hungry to win....basically build a whole new family that's committed to being a part of something bigger....That is not Dwight....Imho Dwight is looking out for number 1 which i can't blame him for but he knows that it's time.....deep down we all here know it's time as well...the Dwight era is over.....

[PeePee la Fritz]

Exactly, then what's the point in getting out of bad contracts if we're not going to contend for another 3-4 years? That's not a selling point.

maybe the need to get out of bad contracts isnt high when you arent going to contend. But picking up assets to either trade for more or develop is better than getting absolutely nothing.

Without Dwight I am not that interested in having a ton of cap space for next years free agents. Harden is the only one that I would consider throwing money at. If the goal is to not be good and preserve space for a free agent crop that you are excited about then getting outa Turk and Duhon's contracts are not priority #1. They come off the books the following year. Getting picks, young talent, and dumping J Rich should be the priority

[rcklsscognition]

Exactly, then what's the point in getting out of bad contracts if we're not going to contend for another 3-4 years? That's not a selling point.

Not getting rid of things when you can get rid of them is a bad strategy. If we can dump guys and bring in other prospects to take up their minutes, it's worth it.

[pogiro]

Exactly, then what's the point in getting out of bad contracts if we're not going to contend for another 3-4 years? That's not a selling point.

maybe the need to get out of bad contracts isnt high when you arent going to contend. But picking up assets to either trade for more or develop is better than getting absolutely nothing.

How high do you expect these draft picks to be? I think you guys are way overvaluing what's going to be done down the road after you trade away the best big man in the game. I just don't see us being in much better position if we trade for Lopez, Brooks, and some picks than if we gave our best effort in keeping Dwight and him end up leaving. I'd rather start with the clean slate actually if that's the case. Not have $10+ million of cap space taken up each of the next 5 years by a supplementary player like Brook Lopez. You don't build around a player like Lopez.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Somee stupid ideas today indeed, just as last Thursday