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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1161 » by mhectorgato » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:11 pm

eyriq wrote:I've been through all that already, see my first post. Notice that this says "any money paid to a player". If a player initiates his release from a team by retiring it is implied that the team can release him from his contract and it explicitly states that the team can protest with penalties on the player's ability to play in the league within a year.


I was editing while you typed this:

Isn't that (what you quoted) exception to the first paragraph -- that he can indeed play again after "retiring". It's about when they can play again. If the player retires to get out of a deal/team, then he has to wait a year or get approval from all the league owners.

That section didn't say anything about $$.

The part I quoted was about money and it counting against the cap.

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness.


Edit: I guess I see what you're saying -- If he foregoes his salary, then there's no money being paid ..

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1162 » by eyriq » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:12 pm

SolidSnake008 wrote:You know what i might get killed for saying this but i think Andrew Nicholson might be a better fit playing alongside Bynum than Big baby can.....Just his Skillset fits well next to someone like Bynum


Why would you get killed for saying this? Baby is a below average PF, if not straight out bad.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1163 » by TDJacksonville » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:12 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I think it will end up being a three way involving either Wolves, Rockets or Hawks of which all of them really want Gasol. Thus, I can see Bynum with either Webster (Wolves), Picks (Rockets) or Horford coming to Orlando.


i dont think it will be the wolves with webster because there is a rumored deal of thier Dwill and Webster for Batum.

trying to figure out if Horford or Picks is better long term for us.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1164 » by arsenal6106 » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:13 pm

magicman123 wrote:i dont even care if the magic still have a team, i just like you guys so much.. *sniffle*


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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1165 » by magicman123 » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:14 pm

eyriq wrote:.


the voluntarily retired list rule replies to this line

There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career,
The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list, forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year


does it state the contract is voided from the cap? because this line doesnt suggest that

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion on the one-year anniversary of the last game in which the player played


If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player


like i said if i remember correctly the celtics still had rasheed counting towards the cap for that year or so, the situation is complicated so im not sure how it exactly works :lol:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1166 » by Nyce_1 » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:15 pm

SolidSnake008 wrote:You know what i might get killed for saying this but i think Andrew Nicholson might be a better fit playing alongside Bynum than Big baby can.....Just his Skillset fits well next to someone like Bynum

Nope; not a crazy feeling at all and I agree with you. Nicholson will fit well besides Bynum; a lot of length and offense. Both will have to improve their defensive footwork, but that could be our front court for years to come.

I also like Davis at PF because he is a better defender.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1167 » by mhectorgato » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:16 pm

magicman123 wrote:the voluntarily retired list rule replies to this line

There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career,
The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list, forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year


does it state the contract is voided from the cap? because this line doesnt suggest that

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion on the one-year anniversary of the last game in which the player played


If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player


like i said if i remember correctly the celtics still had rasheed counting towards the cap for that year or so, the situation is complicated so im not sure how it exactly works :lol:


I think it's this:

The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list, forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year.


Combined with this:

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.


If there is no "money being paid", then there's nothing to count against the cap.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1168 » by Ahmadab » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:17 pm

Soo, we gettin' Bynum ?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1169 » by SolidSnake008 » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:18 pm

eyriq wrote:
SolidSnake008 wrote:You know what i might get killed for saying this but i think Andrew Nicholson might be a better fit playing alongside Bynum than Big baby can.....Just his Skillset fits well next to someone like Bynum


Why would you get killed for saying this? Baby is a below average PF, if not straight out bad.

because you have all the ra ra guys around here that'll say....Baby plays with heart....hustle....yada yada....I like Baby.....he stepped up in the playoffs but that imo came with an asterisk...no way Baby plays that well with Dwight still on the roster......imo Bynum is more of an offensive post presence than Dwight....Bynum demands the ball on the block....Baby kinda likes the ball in the same spots....don't think they can co-exist without sort of getting in each others way.....Nicholson provides the spacing and he can get it in on the block himself.....plus he's a very good weak side defender/shotblocker.....he could fit very well with Bynum
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Post#1170 » by XonezIOIzenoX » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:18 pm

guys this just came to me.

The lakers have to make that trade with Orlando just because Orlando is willing to trade no matter what. Orlando Magic has alot of leverage on this trade due to the fact that they can hand the reigns to NY NETS if Magic has no other trading partner. The Lakers understanding this, I am sure they do not want another Powerhouse to compete for the championship. The Lakers will due everything they can to make this trade happen or else the league is in for another powerhouse creation under NYNETS.

Thats the facts.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1171 » by chunnyboy » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:18 pm

i can see a lakers-magic-sixers 3 way

lakers out: bynum, gasol, mcroberts, ebanks
lakers in: howard, iguodala, jrich, duhon

magic out: howard, jrich, duhon
magic in: bynum, mcroberts, ebanks

sixers out: iguodala
sixers in: gasol

i know the lakers obviously win out in all of this, but we all know that's the world we live in (if we can somehow get a pick from the sixers in this ordeal it may not be all that bad for us)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1172 » by eyriq » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:18 pm

Leave it up to mhectorgato and magicman123 to utterly confuse the hell out of me! ;)

That is what I get for taking a confident tact on something that I have no clue about LOL
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1173 » by Ahmadab » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:21 pm

chunnyboy wrote:i can see a lakers-magic-sixers 3 way

lakers out: bynum, gasol, mcroberts, ebanks
lakers in: howard, iguodala, jrich, duhon

magic out: howard, jrich, duhon
magic in: bynum, mcroberts, ebanks

sixers out: iguodala
sixers in: gasol

i know the lakers obviously win out in all of this, but we all know that's the world we live in (if we can somehow get a pick from the sixers in this ordeal it may not be all that bad for us)



Why call it a three way ? It's just a Lakers/Magic trade and a separate Lakers/Philly trade.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1174 » by mhectorgato » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:21 pm

eyriq wrote:Leave it up to mhectorgato and magicman123 to utterly confuse the hell out of me! ;)

That is what I get for taking a confident tact on something that I have no clue about LOL


Let me clear it up: I'm agreeing with you. If MWP forces his retirement, then there's no cap hit.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1175 » by Swiftraven » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:21 pm

eyriq wrote:Leave it up to mhectorgato and magicman123 to utterly confuse the hell out of me! ;)

That is what I get for taking a confident tact on something that I have no clue about LOL


I wasn't going to argue with you, I just let them do it :)

Now I am more confused than I was before...
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Post#1176 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:21 pm

chunnyboy wrote:i can see a lakers-magic-sixers 3 way

lakers out: bynum, gasol, mcroberts, ebanks
lakers in: howard, iguodala, jrich, duhon

magic out: howard, jrich, duhon
magic in: bynum, mcroberts, ebanks

sixers out: iguodala
sixers in: gasol

i know the lakers obviously win out in all of this, but we all know that's the world we live in (if we can somehow get a pick from the sixers in this ordeal it may not be all that bad for us)


Will never happen. If anything, Iggy would have to go to Orlando to make this possible.
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Post#1177 » by Ahmadab » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:23 pm

I wouldn't mind Artest for the entertainment value he would bring to the team. Let him be our tank commander.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Editio 

Post#1178 » by Swiftraven » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:23 pm

Ok, I found this from Larry:

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If a player retires with guaranteed salary left on his contract, he still gets paid — but if he’s paid, he’s expected to report. The team & player usually work this out by agreeing to a buy-out — he’s paid less money, and doesn’t have to report. For example, Rasheed Wallace did this with Boston, and there are many other examples.

Players can also voluntarily, formally retire by filing paperwork with the league, in which case their contract is cancelled and the player doesn’t get paid. Jason Williams did this with the Clippers in 2008.

The other possibility is that the player is forced to retire for medical reasons. He is still owed his money (often paid by insurance), but after a waiting period the team is allowed to apply to have his salary taken off their cap.


So if MWP retires he will either get a buyout which hits the cap or fills out the paperwork and no pay or cap hit.
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Post#1179 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:25 pm

Ahmadab wrote:I wouldn't mind Artest for the entertainment value he would bring to the team. Let him be our tank commander.


Imagine (3) emotional guys like Artest, Bynum and BBD together on the court. Now, that is entertainment. Heck, you never know, but they could gel.
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Post#1180 » by Nyce_1 » Fri Jul 6, 2012 5:28 pm

And to think, Otis almost accepted Lopez and Wallace last year. W-T-F!!!!

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