Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread

[BfB]

I don't get why people are so crestfallen about this. Ray is on the downside. We get from obligations to him just in the nick of time. What he used to be he just isn't anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if this hurt the heat, as Ray is incredibly high maintainance. Everyone always points the finger at Rondo in the Ray-Rondo conflict-but I will maintain forever it was 100% Ray's fault that he had such a bad relationship with him. Rondo singlehandely stretched Rays career and I think RAy is going to realize how lucky he is when he realizes the Heat aren't going to run the offense for him. I don't think even LeBron can run the peek a boo offense.

I think there is some merit to that statement - especially the Rondo part. But I do think this hurt the teams ability to consistently put 5 scoring threats on the court at all times. I think Boston's chances at beating MiA are still good, but they can I'll afford any lack of productivity from: Sullinger/Green/Bradley/Terry now - these guys must all be healthy and consistent or there will be scoring issues again - I like their chances but I'm not crazy about MIA gaining what we've lost - regardless of how critical a component it was.

[jfs1000d]

Could Rondo and Ray's relationship been that bad? I mean, really?

[Darth Celtic]

Lost a ton of respect for Ray Allen today. Ray has become an Eddie Curry ring chaser.

Lets not go that far.

agreed, dont disrespect curry like that, he didnt just lose in 7 to the heat in the conf finals before signing with them to get a ring.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/07/06/allen-chooses-heat/

But according to a league source, Allen’s request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year.

Come on Ray, 3yr/27mil? Get outta here with that delusional mind frame. Good riddance.

Not delusional at all. If he is asking for that money he obviously had no desire to play here at all. He knew all along he was going to play for the heat.

....That makes absolutely no sense.

He was trying to squeeze more money out of Boston, and obviously Ainge didn't budge.

So you're saying if Ainge did offer Allen that ridiculous contract, Allen would've said no? C'mon man...

I am saying that. Why is it that he asks the celtics for 27 million yet signs with the heat for 9? Allen had no desire to come back here. He purposely made his asking price so high because he knew the celtics could not afford to pay him.

[UGA Hayes]

Well hopefully Terry replicates what Allen does. People seem to have forgotten that we signed him.

[pac213up]

Could Rondo and Ray's relationship been that bad? I mean, really?

They will say it was but that is a cop out. At the end of the day Ray has a big ego and he could not stand the fact he lost his job to Bradley and was not going to get it back and had been dangled regularly in trade talks. How could a relationship with ONE player factor in more than the supposed positive relationships he had with everyone else. Makes no sense.

[Shamrock]

Well hopefully Terry replicates what Allen does. People seem to have forgotten that we signed him.

I mean I guess it's better in the sense that Terry's role just expanded. Terry's a better scorer and facilitator, i'd rather have terry overall.

[chasebaca834]

Chris Forsberg: Loss of Allen is bit of double whammy for Celtics, who can’t turn around an re-appropriate that $6 million next year: http://es.pn/Ndxwwi

What are the chances Ainge could use Kristic in an S&T?

We need Kristic...

PS: Ray Allen -----> Mercenary

[SichtingLives]

Could Rondo and Ray's relationship been that bad? I mean, really?

I told this board not too long ago that these guys flat out didn't get along and how it was plain to see. A good percentage of Ray Allen jockeys thought it was just the most ridiculous and absurd assertion.

Doesn't seem so far fetched anymore I guess.

[MaxwellSmart]

Hopefully team chemistry will be better now.

[jfs1000d]

What is funny is Heat fans thinking Ray Allen guarantees them a ring next season. They are going to be royally pissed watching him play defense on a nightly basis. And without Rondo feeding him off the peak-a-boo offense I don't see Ray being that effective.

Sometimes the grass isn't greener Ray.

You're kidding right? Allen is not going to be a cornerstone like he was here where they needed him to carry the scoring load every night. Look at what Miller and Battier did in the playoffs. Allen is a better shooter than both of those guys. If those guys were killing teams what do you think Allen will do? The heat are absolutely going to win a title next season.

He's 37, coming off of ankle surgery, and still looks like he's running in quicksand. Hope Miami has fun running the peek-a-boo offense.

Rationalizing. Ray scored 14.2 ppg on 45 percent shooting from 3 point range. That is an incredible shooting performance.

Add in the fact that we can't go acquire any kind of talent, much less a good player, and Allen's leaving severely depletes our roster.

Let's no underestimate what this does to our team. We have no SG right now. Terry is a bench player, and Bradley is a hurt combo-guard.

UGh. Starting to sink in.

[humblebum]

What are the chances Ainge could use Kristic in an S&T?

Why don't we just keep him? We could use him.

This, I would rather KG be at the 4 with a true C and have that C not be named Melo until at least after the all star break.

I want to see what the options are, is all.

I'm not against bringing Curly back, I like him a lot.

I like Sullinger better though and I think they'd play a similar role.

Hence the question about "could he be moved in an S&T" or is that forbidden in the CBA?

If the Celtics could make a splash for a more athletic type 2-3-4 player, maybe another defender. I think that would help solidify things against Miami's Chalmers-Ray-Wade-Tron-Bosh lineup.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

What is funny is Heat fans thinking Ray Allen guarantees them a ring next season. They are going to be royally pissed watching him play defense on a nightly basis. And without Rondo feeding him off the peak-a-boo offense I don't see Ray being that effective.

Sometimes the grass isn't greener Ray.

You're kidding right? Allen is not going to be a cornerstone like he was here where they needed him to carry the scoring load every night. Look at what Miller and Battier did in the playoffs. Allen is a better shooter than both of those guys. If those guys were killing teams what do you think Allen will do? The heat are absolutely going to win a title next season.

He's 37, coming off of ankle surgery, and still looks like he's running in quicksand. Hope Miami has fun running the peek-a-boo offense.

And people seem to keep forgetting all he has to do is line up at the 3 point line and hit shots. The don't need him running around all game scoring. Miller looked like he was 87 years old in the playoffs yet he was hurting the thunder. People are delusional if they don't think this makes the team better.

With Allen leaving celtics have no shooting guards and cannot sign anybody else becasue of the way the CBA is set up. Not sure what planet Allen lives in that he does not think he will be booed when he comes here.

[PP 4 Three]

Jason Terry is NOT better than Ray Allen.

[jfs1000d]

Jason Terry is NOT better than Ray Allen.

He isn't, but at this point he's a little more versatile. But, the plan was to play both of them.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Somewhere Mickael Pietrus is chucking up 30 footers with a smile on his face

Seems like a lock to play the Heat on opening night, no?

[Celticfan_N_FL]

Could Rondo and Ray's relationship been that bad? I mean, really?

Probably not. The reports coming out now is about how angry he was at getting the call that he was traded to Memphis then untraded. This move was giving the middle finger to management IMO.

[irie]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2012/07/06/allen-chooses-heat/

But according to a league source, Allen’s request from the Celtics went beyond the pale - reportedly a demand for a three-year, $27 million contract. The Celtics, according to the source, were in the process of attempting to talk Allen down from $9 million to $6 million per year.

Come on Ray, 3yr/27mil? Get outta here with that delusional mind frame. Good riddance.

Not delusional at all. If he is asking for that money he obviously had no desire to play here at all. He knew all along he was going to play for the heat.

Agreed

[pac213up]

Jason Terry is NOT better than Ray Allen.

Factoring in both sides of the ball and versatility to score....he is not much worse either.

[humblebum]

Rationalizing. Ray scored 14.2 ppg on 45 percent shooting from 3 point range. That is an incredible shooting performance.

Add in the fact that we can't go acquire any kind of talent, much less a good player, and Allen's leaving severely depletes our roster.

Let's no underestimate what this does to our team. We have no SG right now. Terry is a bench player, and Bradley is a hurt combo-guard.

UGh. Starting to sink in.

I'm gonna have to say, no.

You're overstating the case.

Bradley/Terry is at worst going to give you solid overall play at either guard spot. When they're on, and there's no reason to go out and assume they won't they can be a spectacular duo.

You still have Pietrus as a defender in the mix and with Green you can slide Pierce down to the two as a counter to Miami going small with Ray-Wade on the wings. Having Green allows you to occupy Lebron to prevent the Green from scoring over the top.

The Celtics are still a couple of moves away from being truly set. Ray leaving is a setback, but the offseason is far from over.