Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXIII Off-Season Edition)

OrlandO · Post #41 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:00 am

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt

Was told half an hour ago by source with direct knowledge of talks that there is no imminent deal for Dwight Howard. FWIW.

Sunsdeuce · Post #42 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:01 am

U guys got trolled

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

The Lakers and other teams remained in talks with the Magic for Dwight Howard today, but a trade is not imminent, league sources say.

MagicTownBaller · Post #43 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:01 am

DJRajX wrote:
MagicTownBaller wrote:Lol, thanks Raj.

Yep lol, you're welcome... and I'm going to fill up your xbox inbox until it red rings to death at this rate

K I need to get to bed... I have a lot of work tomorrow... let's hope everything works out tomorrow, if anything does happen that is.

Lol, do it!

TSKD000 · Post #44 » by **TSKD000** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:02 am

If Philly is involved, they need a PF now. Maybe Ryan/McRoberts/Ebanks go to Philly and we get Bynum/Iggy/Lou Williams. Philly is done with Lou anyways.

MagicTownBaller · Post #45 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:02 am

eyriq wrote:
Eyriq ‏@TheRealEyriq
Sources confirm to Eyriq that Anderson is better than Baby.

Hey eyriq. Is your name pronounced EYE-REKE or Ey-Rick?

MagicMan89 · Post #46 » by **MagicMan89** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:02 am

The Effect wrote:I really hope dwight holds the lakers hostage at the deadline and forces a trade to the nets

That would be the funniest thing ever if the lakers finally get ***** in a deal and basically end up trading bynum for a half of dwight and 4 years of brook lopez

Kobe to Lopez " You can be our Tyson Chandler"
Lopez "Realy?"
Kobe "Nevermind"

Kobe Demands a trade to the Nets

MagicTownBaller · Post #47 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:05 am

OrlandO wrote:
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt

Was told half an hour ago by source with direct knowledge of talks that there is no imminent deal for Dwight Howard. FWIW.

Okay cool, it honestly doesn't matter anymore. Once Dwight is traded, our championship aspiration is traded with him. Bynum is too injury prone and will get injured on the first game he plays with us. Heck, I'd expect him to get injured on the plane ride to Orlando. Brook Lopez is just like Andrea Bargnani, without a 3PT shot. Yeah, let that sink in. The only players I really want from these deals are MarShon Brooks or Devin Ebanks.

Post #48 » by **eyriq** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:10 am

MagicTownBaller wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Eyriq ‏@TheRealEyriq
Sources confirm to Eyriq that Anderson is better than Baby.

Hey eyriq. Is your name pronounced EYE-REKE or Ey-Rick?

Say it like a pirate!

thelead · Post #49 » by **thelead** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:11 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:U guys got trolled

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

The Lakers and other teams remained in talks with the Magic for Dwight Howard today, but a trade is not imminent, league sources say.

No one believes ping around here.

GameOver25 · Post #50 » by **GameOver25** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:19 am

I'm surprised nothing has happen yet. But we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. Both sides are keeping it very quiet even with the tweets and articles.

ThatFloridaDude · Post #51 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:21 am

JustinLafferty wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Orlando should snatch up all the leftover "LOYALTY" tshirts and put them on the chairs for the first game Dwight returns? lol Seeing Dwight pretend it didn't hurt his feelings would be comical….

Dude thats a great idea.

TDJacksonville · Post #52 » by **TDJacksonville** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:21 am

thelead wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:U guys got trolled

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

The Lakers and other teams remained in talks with the Magic for Dwight Howard today, but a trade is not imminent, league sources say.

No one believes ping around here.

Ill believe PING when My sh*t turns purple and smells like Rainbow Sherbert :lol:

MagicTownBaller · Post #53 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:24 am

eyriq wrote:
MagicTownBaller wrote:
eyriq wrote:[quote]Eyriq ‏@TheRealEyriq
Sources confirm to Eyriq that Anderson is better than Baby.

Hey eyriq. Is your name pronounced EYE-REKE or Ey-Rick?

Say it like a pirate![/quote]
So, ARR-REKE?

MagicTownBaller · Post #54 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:25 am

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Nets have "30 percent chance" of landing Dwight in trade but likely would turn attention to FAs if it cant be done in a week,source tells Y!

WAIT A WEEK ORLANDO! DON'T GIVE HIM TO BROOKLYN!

dsg2021 · Post #55 » by **dsg2021** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:26 am

GM Hennigan is smarter than anyone we've ever had. He's got two great Asst. GM's already and I believe those three and a few select others are all inputting together and making a very careful process out of the Dwight situation with a trade board with statistics, scouting, and contract(s)-impact analysis on every offer.

I think GM Hennigan is taking the top 5-8 offers and simultaneously negotiating them all down to the near/best possible framework and will then carefully consider them for at least a day before doing a final negotiation push and framework principle agreement. This simultaneously explores what are our best offers period, not exploratory-level talks, and simultaneously smokescreens which team is in the top of the board for Dwight, thus ensuring that there is hopefully more price-driving between the suitors.

I also believe, but here is where I'm guessing more than speculating intelligently, that one of the options on the board is gambling on retaining Dwight and hoping he signs the best max deal back in Orlando (even if only 7 mil more or so, it's more security with one more guaranteed year). Depending how GM Hennigan rolls with this, he could have significant cap space for 2013 and the only other dangerous suitor at the moment is the Hawks (but this sometimes changes for good/worse over the year). The contra-result must obviously and even situationally probable to be expected, which is losing Dwight for nothing (except maybe a TPE, 2nd rounder). Which is the worst "offer," but the most lottery potential for the drafting expert team in Orlando. This is still my main stance with Dwight, but at like 60/40 only, and I have one-two offers in mind when I say I'm 40/60.

However, I think GM Hennigan mainly wants to rebuild the team and bring better FO planning than ever before in Orlando, going towards a team-first culture, with SA/OKC-like drafting and savvy trading that helps the plan, not impede it. My personal input is that I wonder why they care so much about including Turk or Duhon though, who are effectively expiring this season with their respective following seasons unguaranteed. I also view the 3 yr deals of BBD and Jameer as assets and J Rich's deal as the only minor bad contract.

The Net's #6 is out of play, but if they take on J Rich/Duhon and add more picks than the deadline offer, the deal could be only slightly worse than before, depending how many more late 1st picks they can surrender instead of one and what type of contract we will now see with Lopez. Remember Hennigan wasn't here at the deadline, and that goes for every offer at the deadline if it was better than now this summer. I think Bynum, Curry (if still available), Horford, Lopez are my top 4 most-named rumored players (in around that order) for Dwight deals, but there is injury concerns for all, and I value multiple draft/lottery picks more, than say, Bynum or Lopez on a Magic team carrying the team to the middle of the pack and only gaining 1-2 late lottery picks. There is also the rumors of the Bulls and 76ers' interest in Dwight, but I don't like any of the players/picks-potential personally.

However, despite those four big name players and all the suitors out there, (from what I know here) I'd put the Houston deal on the top of the Magic trade board. They seem to have the most 1st rounders and rookie scaled players to develop and see where they go, and good team salary/roster commitments for intended lottery potential and cap space to rent out for pick(s). If GM Hennigan goes with a Bynum, Horford, Lopez offer over that, I'll roll with that for sure though and trust him (for obvious reasons; he's a qualified NBA GM and I'm not). My hope there would be that GM Hennigan really blows up the roster with stop-gaps and undeveloped players to gets as many, or as highly positioned, lottery picks with Bynum or Horford or Lopez in the paint (or just enough (picks) to warrant a rebuild that finishes as a top 3 team), than he could otherwise gain with the Houston's offer/Or-whatever-is-the-best-and-most-picks offer. This Magic GM crew was built to draft and plan effectively like a top 5 managed team in the whole league, leading the rebuild into a top 3 players' team in the league.

From my armchair analyzing and speculating (and as much as we can know from the media/rumors), I'd say GM Hennigan & Co. rolls with either the Rockets or Lakers offer if they like the negotiated final framework. They're two different lines of thinking, but whichever one Hennigan goes with, they're both A) out West and B) the best in their respective lines of thinking (Best player return? or Best picks/youth return?).

To finalize this typically long post from me, there is a few dark horse type deals that have been mentioned rarely/none that I'd also like to rank in about the following order incase one of them goes down (using contract-impact, ages, playing as factors); OKC (Harden, Perkins, Maynor, picks.). LAC (Blake, DJ, Bledsoe.) GSW (Curry, Bogut (flip) and picks. Or Curry, Barnes, Biedrins, Wright, picks, and GSW 3-ways Bogut with returns for themselves mainly). BOS (Rondo and Sullinger/Fab/picks is the principle offer.). NYK (Carmelo, Chandler, Shumpert is principle.).

arsenal6106 · Post #56 » by **arsenal6106** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:28 am

Didn't Artest's brother talk a lot bull on his twitter last year? And it was on trades that didn't involve the Lakers. It was very weird from what I remember.

MagicTownBaller · Post #57 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:31 am

arsenal6106 wrote:Didn't Artest's brother talk a lot bull on his twitter last year? And it was on trades that didn't involve the Lakers. It was very weird from what I remember.

Metta World Peace's brother always talks a lot of bull.

AussieMagicFan · Post #58 » by **AussieMagicFan** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:35 am

First post, long time reader.

I just want Dwight and his attitude the hell out of here to be totally honest. I trust Rob to do the best thing for this organisation and have faith in his abilities. His mantra of wanting guys who want to be here and want to believe in the vision and understand the team comes first is what makes great cultures which can be successful. Jameer wanted to be here, JJ wanted to be here. They remain and are good players.

With Dwight going, we will not be with a chance yet to challenge for the title no matter what, but with Dwight, and the way things are, we would have struggled anyway. For one thing chemistry would have been shot and Jameer would not be back. Dwight is a doosh and really, I couldn't care less where he goes or what he does in his career, the only thing I care about is the Magic organization and what is best for us. Trading Dwight is what is best for us.

Really want Philly to be involved in the trade, they have some nice pieces that we could aquire to get our roster up to scratch. Bynum for me is the best we could hope for with Dwight leaving. I mean, we go from the best C in the league to the next best C in the league, but could move out some useless pieces for some greater talent and contracts. I fully believe we have a chance at becoming better when this trade goes down. A more balanced and complete team.

In respect to Anderson, well we gotta play it how it comes. Could we get better pieces needed from the Kings that fit with our new Dwightless squad if we move him on? I dunno, I guess we will see, but as much as I used to love Dwight and he had me believing we could win a title with him, he lost the plot and this has to end. I am actually looking forward to start again without him.

I am a big Rob Hennigan fan, think he could do great things for us, I think he knows this trade and off season makes him, so he will do what is best.

I just want it done, and soon.

rcklsscognition · Post #59 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:35 am

Is everyone just saying Tuesday because it's the last day of waiting until contracts can be signed? Seems like an easy out for baseless claims.

arsenal6106 · Post #60 » by **arsenal6106** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 4:37 am

Welcome to the boards Aussie!