OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread

Post #261 » by **Diop** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 3:23 pm

fatlever wrote:i havent been this excited about one of our draft picks since ammo. is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bit of an ugly omen, but I can't really talk seeing how my favourite player was Shawn Bradley.

Kembastockton · Post #262 » by **Kembastockton** » Sat Jul 7, 2012 3:32 pm

fatlever wrote:i havent been this excited about one of our draft picks since ammo. is that a good thing or a bad thing?

It is a good thing. As great of a college player as Ammo was most people had concerns about whether or not he was athletic enough to get his shot off, and play defense in the nba. We all know that MKG has the athleticism and defensive ability to hold his own. The only question is will he reach his full potential? I think that he has proven to be a hard enough worker to do so.

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell

#Bobcats say they have signed No. 2 overall pick Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Fairly simple these days under rookie scale.

Xavier Henry says "screw off".

I don't get it.

Sachmo wrote:
fatlever wrote:i havent been this excited about one of our draft picks since ammo. is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Bit of an ugly omen, but I can't really talk seeing how my favourite player was Shawn Bradley.

YOUR FAVORITE PLAYER WAS SHAWN BRADLEY???

Elden Payton · Post #263 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:04 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Xavier Henry held out on his rookie deal Quick.

Not as simple as Bonnell claims.

B-easy · Post #264 » by **B-easy** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 6:38 am

DJQuick wrote:I think MKG will be significantly better than expected. There is a difference between being a shooter and a scorer. I think that due to his intangibles MKG will be a much better scorer than many of you expect.

I agree with this.

Post #265 » by **BigSlam** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 4:12 pm

Sik Infant wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^

Xavier Henry held out on his rookie deal Quick.

Not as simple as Bonnell claims.

It wasn't him holding out - wasn't it the Grizzlies?

Post #266 » by **fatlever** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 4:19 pm

correct, even though the rookie salaries are pretty much pre-determined, teams can offer slightly more money (up to a %), which has become the norm for all rookie deals. the grizz decided they werent going to do this for henry. henry responded by holding out.

MKG14 · Post #267 » by **MKG14** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 6:07 pm

fatlever wrote:correct, even though the rookie salaries are pretty much pre-determined, teams can offer slightly more money (up to a %), which has become the norm for all rookie deals. the grizz decided they werent going to do this for henry. henry responded by holding out.

any reason a team would offer more money?

Elden Payton · Post #268 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:12 pm

BigSlam wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^

Xavier Henry held out on his rookie deal Quick.

Not as simple as Bonnell claims.

It wasn't him holding out - wasn't it the Grizzlies?

I think it was Henry.

The rookie scale is set from the teams side isn't it?

SWedd523 · Post #269 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:20 pm

It was the team.

Every rookie gets 120% of the rookie scale. Always.

The Grizz decided they were going to give him 80 or 100 (don't remember which) and leave the possibility for it to go to 120 if he hit certain achievements. He responded with "**** you I'm holding out"

Jaruff · Post #270 » by **Jaruff** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:51 pm

SWedd523 wrote:It was the team.

Every rookie gets 120% of the rookie scale. Always.

The Grizz decided they were going to give him 80 or 100 (don't remember which) and leave the possibility for it to go to 120 if he hit certain achievements. He responded with "**** you I'm holding out"

They had the right idea. Dude didn't turn out so well.

The_Dream · Post #271 » by **The_Dream** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:08 am

This was a great selection by Michael Jordan (feels weird saying this considering all his bad decisions in the past). MKG is a hard worker and a winner. Don't worry about his J, that'll be reliable by season's end with his crazy work ethic.

penquin11 · Post #272 » by **penquin11** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 9:59 pm

Did you seriously just say "Dont worry about his J"? How the **** are we not supposed to worry about his shot- its the single most essential skill that you need to play basketball! And also its not that MKG needs to "work on" or "improve" his jumpshot- its that he needs to "change/fix" it which is something that will take more than just casual practice, he will have to change an aspect of his game that he has used since he was playing in middle school, which worries me.

SWedd523 · Post #273 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:10 pm

penquin11 wrote:its the single most essential skill that you need to play basketball!

I would strongly disagree

countryboi · Post #274 » by **countryboi** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:15 pm

Y'all are really brushing off his weak jumper...it going to be so obvious he can't shoot on a team of non shooters.....this is going to be a fun season

vorbis · Post #275 » by **vorbis** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 11:29 pm

i would actually be surprised if MKG undergoes a full-scale redo of his jumpshot form. more likely he's going to tweak little things under direct supervision and rep rep rep rep rep rep rep it up. i find it hard to believe he will be worse than average at it in the long run.

penquin11 · Post #276 » by **penquin11** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:44 am

SWedd523 wrote:
penquin11 wrote:its the single most essential skill that you need to play basketball!

I would strongly disagree

Basketball is about being able to put the ball in the basket, being able to shoot (at least decently) is essential in order to successfully put the ball into the basket. Sure I guess if the guy was paraplegic, couldn't catch, or thought basketball was soccer that it would outweigh an inability to shoot the ball, but lets be honest- if you can't shoot, you can't score, if you can't score than you are at best a role player. Role players don't get picked with the #2 pick in the NBA draft.

penquin11 · Post #277 » by **penquin11** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:45 am

vorbis wrote:i would actually be surprised if MKG undergoes a full-scale redo of his jumpshot form. more likely he's going to tweak little things under direct supervision and rep rep rep rep rep rep rep it up. i find it hard to believe he will be worse than average at it in the long run.

his shot isn't as broken as shawn marions, but it is still pretty bad.

SWedd523 · Post #278 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:12 am

penquin11 wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
penquin11 wrote:its the single most essential skill that you need to play basketball!

I would strongly disagree

Basketball is about being able to put the ball in the basket, being able to shoot (at least decently) is essential in order to successfully put the ball into the basket. Sure I guess if the guy was paraplegic, couldn't catch, or thought basketball was soccer that it would outweigh an inability to shoot the ball, but lets be honest- if you can't shoot, you can't score, if you can't score than you are at best a role player. Role players don't get picked with the #2 pick in the NBA draft.

The greatest PG of all time couldn't shoot and the greatest SG of all time was an average shooter. The best player in the world right now isn't a good shooter either.

So... yeah, I mean, I still disagree.

penquin11 · Post #279 » by **penquin11** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:01 am

The greatest PG of all time was 6'10, just a tad of a mismatch problem, and benefitted from the fact that he was NEVER double teamed due to his passing ability, he also had post moves (nice hookshot/skyhook)
And Michael Jordan was not an average shooter, his midrange game was outstanding to say the least, he had some NASTY fade aways, a perfect step-back.
Lebron James is a 6'8 matchup nightmare with a solid midrange game and a continuously growing post game. He also has the ability to shoot from the 3 reliably. plus MKG will never be the athletic matchup problem that Lebron is....

Eoghan · Post #280 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:07 am

penquin11 wrote:Did you seriously just say "Dont worry about his J"? How the **** are we not supposed to worry about his shot- its the single most essential skill that you need to play basketball! And also its not that MKG needs to "work on" or "improve" his jumpshot- its that he needs to "change/fix" it which is something that will take more than just casual practice, he will have to change an aspect of his game that he has used since he was playing in middle school, which worries me.

I'm not that worried about it. And if I'm not worried, that should tell you something.

SWedd523 wrote:The greatest PG of all time couldn't shoot and the greatest SG of all time was an average shooter. The best player in the world right now isn't a good shooter either.

So... yeah, I mean, I still disagree.

Hey, John Stockton was a pretty good shooter.