Lakers no longer require extension from Dwight Howard

[BballTechnique]

The NBA has always been a "3 team league".

-The Celtics won 11 championships in 13 years
-The Lakers or Celtics were in every NBA Final from 1980 to 1991
-The Bulls won 6 in 8 years
-Tim Duncan or Shaq were in every NBA Final for a decade
- The Lakers with Kobe and Gasol made 3 straight NBA Finals
Are there any active players in any of the 4 major pro sports that have more championships than Kobe?

[The Infamous1]

People see that potential of the 6th title and it scares them.

Here's what I don't understand, if championships don't matter and it won't change how you feel about a player why do people root against said player ? Or when people see that said player is in position to win a title root against them. That doesn't make sense to me

Bryant hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs in 2 years, but we're all quivering in our boots at the idea of him suddenly imposing his GOAT will on the league?

A lot of people still think Kobe is great, but have moved on for players like James and Durant. Just how it is. That is what happens when you haven't been at the party in some time.

30/5/4 isn't significant?

Last 3 games against OKC


38-7-6-2-55% TS
38-8-5-2-55% TS
42-5-2-59% TS

[VCRJKidd15]

The NBA has always been a "3 team league".

-The Celtics won 11 championships in 13 years
-The Lakers or Celtics were in every NBA Final from 1980 to 1991
-The Bulls won 6 in 8 years
-Tim Duncan or Shaq were in every NBA Final for a decade
- The Lakers with Kobe and Gasol made 3 straight NBA Finals
Are there any active players in any of the 4 major pro sports that have more championships than Kobe?

soon...

[vincecarter4pres]

Lol OK buddy, you try and convince people of that.

Dwight goes to LAL and is healthy there's only 3 teams a season that can win the title the next 4 years, LAL, MIA and OKC.

At least if he goes to BK, the Lakers are still right there as is matched up with everyone, Chicago still is legit if Rose comes back strong and they make one small move, Boston is still in the mix, NYK as a dark horse and other teams like LAC, Portland and an up and comer like Washington or Cleveland or Sacto o Utah can grow into that over the next couple years.

D12 goes to Brooklyn there's still real parity.

He goes to Los Angeles is a 3 team league again.

Boston and Chicago are still in the mix regardless if Howard goes to LA...different conference different matchups Not saying I agree with the original quote, but your logic doesn't matchup.

Sorry, as a fan we may fool ourselves into thinking our team or any team can contend before a season or during when a team gets hot, but stars win.

Nash
Kobe
J Rich or whoever
Pau
Dwight

Is the runaway best team in the league and the only team coming close is Miami and OKC, who are closer then my adjective of "runaway" would suggest.

Sure sometimes teams fail on the court which should annihilate on paper, but they fail in the Finals or the Conference Finals against the other teams that were known to be able to beat them.

Boston stands zero chance against that above team, they're already a big long shot to repeat last season's success and beat any of the other current contenders and fringe contenders.

No way in hell they compete with the above Lakers team.

[World Peace]

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports
@Real_Ajay_Virk: Lakers have better offer, Nets are desired destination and are working to get Magic another good player.

It doesn't matter who has the better package, it's where Dwight will extend.

LAL won't trade for him without an extension and they shouldn't, they are already legit contenders as is, 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and they are the Lakers.

They don't need to chase or beg players to come there no matter who they are and how good they are.

They also don't need to ruin their locker room for a deal that may or may not happen and then could fail miserably because they had the arrogance and ignorance to trade for a guy who has said, "Do not trade for me, I will not extend, I do not want to be there."

And the Lakers know that and are doing just that, because although they are arrogant, they are not ignorant.

They have said if Dwight flip flops and changes his mind, which is a possibility given it's Dwight, our offer stands, because then it means he wants to be here.

If not, there's no reason for them to take this big a gamble.

It isn't even necessarily about Bynum the player either, because he has injury and character concerns himself.

What it is about is if they gambled and the worst case happens, they are now left not only without Bynum the player, but without Bynum the trade chip and Bynum the contract while they are over the cap, old and devoid of other assets, so nothing but a gaping hole with literally no way to fill it, no ways to dance around the CBA and salary cap like they usually do.

LAL needs an extension or the trade doesn't happen, so it matters little what your, my, Rudolph or even Hennigan's opinion is of Bynum versus the Brooklyn offer.

LOL did you not read the title of the thread?

L.A. No Longer Requires Extension From D12

[VCRJKidd15]

People see that potential of the 6th title and it scares them.

Here's what I don't understand, if championships don't matter and it won't change how you feel about a player why do people root against said player ? Or when people see that said player is in position to win a title root against them. That doesn't make sense to me

Bryant hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs in 2 years, but we're all quivering in our boots at the idea of him suddenly imposing his GOAT will on the league?

A lot of people still think Kobe is great, but have moved on for players like James and Durant. Just how it is. That is what happens when you haven't been at the party in some time.

30/5/4 isn't significant?

Last 3 games against OKC


38-7-6-2-55% TS
38-8-5-2-55% TS
42-5-2-59% TS

YAYYY let me use TS% so I can pretend he didn't shoot horribly

[The Infamous1]

The reality is that a 6th title and 3rd FMVP would leap frog Kobe over Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq and it won't even be debatable anymore.

This board would hate that, Kobe is killing all time greats with longevity.[/quote]

It's like when Peyton manning fans would root against Tom Brady in the last 2 superbowls.

And then be the same ones and comeback and say, "well I don't care about Championships that's a team accomplishment".

Well if you don't care and it doesn't matter to you, why root against him?

What that tells me is, you KNOW they matter. You just don't want the guy you hate to win them. And that's ok, but don't sugarcoat it. People are still mad from the last 2 rings and finals MVP's[/quote]

Or it that those people who think a championship is a team accomplishment realize that there are a lot of people out there who inexplicably think the opposite (when it happens to favor their favorite player). Since we frequently get into arguments with these people we would prefer that they have as little bs ammo as possible.[/quote]

Then don't care what people think then, i certainly dont. Alot of it just seems like sour grapes

Just come out and say I don't want Kobe to win anymore. Be honest

[AmerigoCorleone]

It doesn't matter who has the better package, it's where Dwight will extend.

LAL won't trade for him without an extension and they shouldn't, they are already legit contenders as is, 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and they are the Lakers.

They don't need to chase or beg players to come there no matter who they are and how good they are.

They also don't need to ruin their locker room for a deal that may or may not happen and then could fail miserably because they had the arrogance and ignorance to trade for a guy who has said, "Do not trade for me, I will not extend, I do not want to be there."

And the Lakers know that and are doing just that, because although they are arrogant, they are not ignorant.

They have said if Dwight flip flops and changes his mind, which is a possibility given it's Dwight, our offer stands, because then it means he wants to be here.

If not, there's no reason for them to take this big a gamble.

It isn't even necessarily about Bynum the player either, because he has injury and character concerns himself.

What it is about is if they gambled and the worst case happens, they are now left not only without Bynum the player, but without Bynum the trade chip and Bynum the contract while they are over the cap, old and devoid of other assets, so nothing but a gaping hole with literally no way to fill it, no ways to dance around the CBA and salary cap like they usually do.

LAL needs an extension or the trade doesn't happen, so it matters little what your, my, Rudolph or even Hennigan's opinion is of Bynum versus the Brooklyn offer.

LOL did you not read the title of the thread?

L.A. No Longer Requires Extension From D12

Lol.

[The Infamous1]

Bryant hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs in 2 years, but we're all quivering in our boots at the idea of him suddenly imposing his GOAT will on the league?

A lot of people still think Kobe is great, but have moved on for players like James and Durant. Just how it is. That is what happens when you haven't been at the party in some time.[/quote]

30/5/4 isn't significant?

Last 3 games against OKC


38-7-6-2-55% TS
38-8-5-2-55% TS
42-5-2-59% TS[/quote]YAYYY let me use TS% so I can pretend he didn't shoot horribly[/quote]

TS% is the best measure of efficiency because it takes everything Into account. You seem upset

[ShowTimeERA]

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports
@Real_Ajay_Virk: Lakers have better offer, Nets are desired destination and are working to get Magic another good player.

It doesn't matter who has the better package, it's where Dwight will extend.

LAL won't trade for him without an extension and they shouldn't, they are already legit contenders as is, 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and they are the Lakers.

They don't need to chase or beg players to come there no matter who they are and how good they are.

They also don't need to ruin their locker room for a deal that may or may not happen and then could fail miserably because they had the arrogance and ignorance to trade for a guy who has said, "Do not trade for me, I will not extend, I do not want to be there."

And the Lakers know that and are doing just that, because although they are arrogant, they are not ignorant.

They have said if Dwight flip flops and changes his mind, which is a possibility given it's Dwight, our offer stands, because then it means he wants to be here.

If not, there's no reason for them to take this big a gamble.

It isn't even necessarily about Bynum the player either, because he has injury and character concerns himself.

What it is about is if they gambled and the worst case happens, they are now left not only without Bynum the player, but without Bynum the trade chip and Bynum the contract while they are over the cap, old and devoid of other assets, so nothing but a gaping hole with literally no way to fill it, no ways to dance around the CBA and salary cap like they usually do.

LAL needs an extension or the trade doesn't happen, so it matters little what your, my, Rudolph or even Hennigan's opinion is of Bynum versus the Brooklyn offer.

I personally don't trade for Howard without a verbal agreement. However I do understand LA's position in which they may be willing to gamble. Where else is Dwight going to go in order to win a championship ASAP?

However, neither you or myself know what LA, Orlando, or BK are thinking or would do/wouldn't - so many have to stop pretending like they do...Opinions are one thing but when your substance is fueled by an agenda, that's where it becomes disturbing...

[turtlesnjoi]

So why isn't this deal done already? Magic aren't getting anything better than Bynum, Lakers don't care if Howard extends, what's the hold up dawgs?

[BballTechnique]

People see that potential of the 6th title and it scares them.

Here's what I don't understand, if championships don't matter and it won't change how you feel about a player why do people root against said player ? Or when people see that said player is in position to win a title root against them. That doesn't make sense to me

Bryant hasn't done anything significant in the playoffs in 2 years, but we're all quivering in our boots at the idea of him suddenly imposing his GOAT will on the league?

A lot of people still think Kobe is great, but have moved on for players like James and Durant. Just how it is. That is what happens when you haven't been at the party in some time.

30/5/4 isn't significant?

Last 3 games against OKC


38-7-6-2-55% TS
38-8-5-2-55% TS
42-5-2-59% TS

One of the most underrated aspects of that series is that Kobe "figured out" Sefolasha the same way Durant did to Artest. With Nash around Kobe will be able to work more off the ball (again like Durant does to Artest) and that changes the complexion of the series IMO. Now all they need is Dwight's mobility to replace Bynum's weakness in the pick and roll. I think the Lakers have a clear advantage if the D12 trade goes down. If they can get a SF with range it's basically a wrap for the Western Conference.

[vincecarter4pres]

The NBA has always been a "3 team league".

-The Celtics won 11 championships in 13 years
-The Lakers or Celtics were in every NBA Final from 1980 to 1991
-The Bulls won 6 in 8 years
-Tim Duncan or Shaq were in every NBA Final for a decade
- The Lakers with Kobe and Gasol made 3 straight NBA Finals
Are there any active players in any of the 4 major pro sports that have more championships than Kobe?

But it's also had fringe contenders that have had legitimate chances to do the unthinkable and the point was to move in the direction of a little more parity.

You're never going to have double digit contenders, but for the NBA to really catch up to other sports there needs to be 6 to 8 teams that at least give the illusion of being able to contend with an outside shot of the abstract becoming the reality.

Not a league where you literally sit down and look at the standings the day before the season starts and circle literally 3 teams who are the ONLY ones with any shot what so ever.

Even during the Jordan runs, the 2 recent Laker runs, San An's, etc., in other words the last 25 years(maybe more like 23) there have been about 6 teams a year that really had a shot even if there was a major favorite.

This trade goes down, it's 3 teams and 3 teams only, not even the hope of a fringe faux contender breaking through.

[AmerigoCorleone]

So why isn't this deal done already? Magic aren't getting anything better than Bynum, Lakers don't care if Howard extends, what's the hold up dawgs?

My sources say that the deal is being held back.

[VCRJKidd15]

TS% is the best measure of efficiency because it takes everything Into account. You seem upset

It takes free throws in account which Bryant had a lot of those 3 games. Of course you're TS% IS going to boost when you go 18-18/14-17/5-7. I'm sure it was his 9-25 shooting that won game 3 for the Lakers. I understand you want Kobe to look like he preformed better than he did.

[BballTechnique]

So why isn't this deal done already? Magic aren't getting anything better than Bynum, Lakers don't care if Howard extends, what's the hold up dawgs?

Trade can't be official until Wednesday.

[Day in the Life]

Lol OK buddy, you try and convince people of that.

Dwight goes to LAL and is healthy there's only 3 teams a season that can win the title the next 4 years, LAL, MIA and OKC.

At least if he goes to BK, the Lakers are still right there as is matched up with everyone, Chicago still is legit if Rose comes back strong and they make one small move, Boston is still in the mix, NYK as a dark horse and other teams like LAC, Portland and an up and comer like Washington or Cleveland or Sacto o Utah can grow into that over the next couple years.

D12 goes to Brooklyn there's still real parity.

He goes to Los Angeles is a 3 team league again.

Boston and Chicago are still in the mix regardless if Howard goes to LA...different conference different matchups Not saying I agree with the original quote, but your logic doesn't matchup.

Sorry, as a fan we may fool ourselves into thinking our team or any team can contend before a season or during when a team gets hot, but stars win.

Nash
Kobe
J Rich or whoever
Pau
Dwight

Is the runaway best team in the league and the only team coming close is Miami and OKC, who are closer then my adjective of "runaway" would suggest.

Sure sometimes teams fail on the court which should annihilate on paper, but they fail in the Finals or the Conference Finals against the other teams that were known to be able to beat them.

Boston stands zero chance against that above team, they're already a big long shot to repeat last season's success and beat any of the other current contenders and fringe contenders.

No way in hell they compete with the above Lakers team.

Right now, the Lakers still have no chance against the OKC Thunder. Nash is not enough to bring them over the hump. OKC core players have even more experience and probably will perform at a higher level. So you basically only have 1 team in the West who is going to compete for a finals appearance. Spurs are older. Everybody else is rebuilding or trying to reload. It goes both ways.

Regardless, wherever Dwight goes, the league isn't going to dramtically increase "competitive balance." Miami is probably going to have another finals appearance. OKC is probably going to have another finals appearance. In the 90's, the Bulls went to the finals 6 times. In the 00's, the Spurs and Lakers combined for 9 finals appearances.

[vincecarter4pres]

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports
@Real_Ajay_Virk: Lakers have better offer, Nets are desired destination and are working to get Magic another good player.

It doesn't matter who has the better package, it's where Dwight will extend.

LAL won't trade for him without an extension and they shouldn't, they are already legit contenders as is, 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and they are the Lakers.

They don't need to chase or beg players to come there no matter who they are and how good they are.

They also don't need to ruin their locker room for a deal that may or may not happen and then could fail miserably because they had the arrogance and ignorance to trade for a guy who has said, "Do not trade for me, I will not extend, I do not want to be there."

And the Lakers know that and are doing just that, because although they are arrogant, they are not ignorant.

They have said if Dwight flip flops and changes his mind, which is a possibility given it's Dwight, our offer stands, because then it means he wants to be here.

If not, there's no reason for them to take this big a gamble.

It isn't even necessarily about Bynum the player either, because he has injury and character concerns himself.

What it is about is if they gambled and the worst case happens, they are now left not only without Bynum the player, but without Bynum the trade chip and Bynum the contract while they are over the cap, old and devoid of other assets, so nothing but a gaping hole with literally no way to fill it, no ways to dance around the CBA and salary cap like they usually do.

LAL needs an extension or the trade doesn't happen, so it matters little what your, my, Rudolph or even Hennigan's opinion is of Bynum versus the Brooklyn offer.

I personally don't trade for Howard without a verbal agreement. However I do understand LA's position in which they may be willing to gamble. Where else is Dwight going to go in order to win a championship ASAP?

However, neither you or myself know what LA, Orlando, or BK are thinking or would do/wouldn't - so many have to stop pretending like they do...Opinions are one thing but when your substance is fueled by an agenda, that's where it becomes disturbing...

We do know what they're thinking, there's no pretending here.

No extension, no trade. That's it.

[vincecarter4pres]

It doesn't matter who has the better package, it's where Dwight will extend.

LAL won't trade for him without an extension and they shouldn't, they are already legit contenders as is, 2nd or 3rd best team in the league and they are the Lakers.

They don't need to chase or beg players to come there no matter who they are and how good they are.

They also don't need to ruin their locker room for a deal that may or may not happen and then could fail miserably because they had the arrogance and ignorance to trade for a guy who has said, "Do not trade for me, I will not extend, I do not want to be there."

And the Lakers know that and are doing just that, because although they are arrogant, they are not ignorant.

They have said if Dwight flip flops and changes his mind, which is a possibility given it's Dwight, our offer stands, because then it means he wants to be here.

If not, there's no reason for them to take this big a gamble.

It isn't even necessarily about Bynum the player either, because he has injury and character concerns himself.

What it is about is if they gambled and the worst case happens, they are now left not only without Bynum the player, but without Bynum the trade chip and Bynum the contract while they are over the cap, old and devoid of other assets, so nothing but a gaping hole with literally no way to fill it, no ways to dance around the CBA and salary cap like they usually do.

LAL needs an extension or the trade doesn't happen, so it matters little what your, my, Rudolph or even Hennigan's opinion is of Bynum versus the Brooklyn offer.

LOL did you not read the title of the thread?

L.A. No Longer Requires Extension From D12

Lol.

It's too bad this thread title is a 747 cargo plane sized load of bull ****.

No extension, no trade, it's really pretty simple.

[Day in the Life]

I don't see how Nash/Kobe/filler/Pau/Howard is runaway better than Chalmers/Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Filler. Lakers still have zero shooters and Miami just added another GOAT level shooter.