Ray joins the Heat/Ray Allen appreciation thread

GuyClinch · Post #521 » by **GuyClinch** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 7:32 am

^^^Ray can't win if he explains himself. Let's say he really was upset with Rondo or like Walker thinks Danny is a snake or he is 'jealous' of KG (LOL) - or whatever. No matter what he says he gets raked over the coals. Its always been that way..

You look like a jerk if you throw x teamates/staff under the bus... This is why teams tend to poison the water with backhanded compliments. Players don't have much recourse.

Like 'we should have tried harder to recruit Ray because it turns out he is a pansy wuss' its 'Doc and Danny's 'fault' but really its a dig at Ray..

Just don't try that stuff at home.. Your wife will see right through it. "Honey I need to help you more with the housework because its clear you are a slob.' haha.

Post #522 » by **tlee324** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:25 am

Seems all the reasons he'd say why are explained easily... We had the money, we had a good team when healthy, doctors, continuity, etc.

If he didn't get along with Rondo, and felt slighted for being lower on the priority list to KG, then how is he not looked at as a baby, malcontent, petty, etc.?

Sure, there is likely maybe middle ground here, but it's not easily visible.

And when talking about fans, by definition... they aren't looking at middle ground even if it stared them in the face.

RondoToKG · Post #523 » by **RondoToKG** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 9:45 am

**** ray allen

krikor · Post #524 » by **krikor** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:04 am

there is nthg wrong he joined us, he wants a title..2 years back to back you lost to us.we had bosh not playing, wade unhealthy & you still didnt manage to win.2 years ago it was easy 4 - 1 .
your window closed, this is why ray allen joined us as he wants a ring.He is set for life with money he made, he wants to end his career on high note.

Post #525 » by **tlee324** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:19 am

Interesting position, krikor, maybe Ray Allen wants to get some of that referee love down in Miami. It's possible that that's all it is....

krikor · Post #526 » by **krikor** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:32 am

If he moved to any other team then miami, you would be understandable of his position.but since miami is hated so much, no one wants to use logic or try to understand why he joined us.

elle · Post #527 » by **elle** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 10:42 am

I understand the sentiment of Celtic fans because one of their favorite players has left the team. Honestly, Ray is not young anymore and had to make a decision that benefitted him. He had three options:

1. Stay with the Celtics. Less playing time, less points and less influence on a team becoming infused with youth. Ray would've quietly ridden off in retirement without the chance of a ring in Boston, but still have the respect of all their fans. Staying loyal to a team that "traded" you then yo yo'ed you back into a situation where you couldn't get along with the floor general (Rondo).

2. Be traded to somewhere where he absolutely had no chance of winning a championship and possibly did not want to be. Retire early and be forgotten. This would also appease the Celtic fan at the expense of the demise of his career.

3. SIgn to a team that is the best in the NBA and have the best chance at winning another Championship with the help of Ray's services. Ray will get wide open shots, more playing time, more points and the best shot at multiple rings. This in turn would piss off Celtic fans, but revive his career.

If you were Ray Allen, which would you choose? For an individual in the twilight of his career, it only makes sense to choose #3 no matter what people think. Decisions that affect your career should be made by you and not be influenced by others who won't shoulder the regret of letting your career slip away into obscurity.

GreenBloodedC · Post #528 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:44 am

elle wrote:I understand the sentiment of Celtic fans because one of their favorite players has left the team. Honestly, Ray is not young anymore and had to make a decision that benefitted him. He had three options:

1. Stay with the Celtics. Less playing time, less points and less influence on a team becoming infused with youth. Ray would've quietly ridden off in retirement without the chance of a ring in Boston, but still have the respect of all their fans. Staying loyal to a team that "traded" you then yo yo'ed you back into a situation where you couldn't get along with the floor general (Rondo).

2. Be traded to somewhere where he absolutely had no chance of winning a championship and possibly did not want to be. Retire early and be forgotten. This would also appease the Celtic fan at the expense of the demise of his career.

3. SIgn to a team that is the best in the NBA and have the best chance at winning another Championship with the help of Ray's services. Ray will get wide open shots, more playing time, more points and the best shot at multiple rings. This in turn would piss off Celtic fans, but revive his career.

If you were Ray Allen, which would you choose? For an individual in the twilight of his career, it only makes sense to choose #3 no matter what people think. Decisions that affect your career should be made by you and not be influenced by others who won't shoulder the regret of letting your career slip away into obscurity.

Not if #3 is your team's rival
And his career will never fall into obscurity. He won a ring, he made the most 3's in history.
It's nothing like his situation with seattle when he sorely wanted to win a ring.

If I were Ray, even if I had a riff with Rondo I'd like to retire as a Celtic.

Shuttlesworth99 · Post #529 » by **Shuttlesworth99** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 12:04 pm

I love what ray did for boston.

But screw him for this, his jersey will meet my bonfire no matter what his reasons were.

The end.

elle · Post #530 » by **elle** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:55 pm

When did the Heat become the Celtic rivals? I thought the Lakers were their hated rivals and the Heat and Knicks had bad blood. I still think Ray should've left the Celtics for a better team, not worse. Not many teams are better than Boston so it was a good move for Ray but a terrible move to Celtic fans. I understand that, but if you were Ray Allen, you would've done the same. The Hear aren't your rivals because they eliminated you the last two years and everyone is hating them because their big 3 is better than the Celtics big 4 of the past.

Valid · Post #531 » by **Valid** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:02 pm

elle wrote:When did the Heat become the Celtic rivals? I thought the Lakers were their hated rivals and the Heat and Knicks had bad blood. I still think Ray should've left the Celtics for a better team, not worse. Not many teams are better than Boston so it was a good move for Ray but a terrible move to Celtic fans. I understand that, but if you were Ray Allen, you would've done the same. The Hear aren't your rivals because they eliminated you the last two years and everyone is hating them because their big 3 is better than the Celtics big 4 of the past.

1. The Heat became our rivals when we played them THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS in the postseason. We have also played LeBron four of the past five years in the playoffs. You aren't even a Celtics fan, so who are you to tell us who our rivals are?

2. The Lakers are the Celtics' biggest rivalries historically, but come on; currently, it is Miami. Since the 80s, the Celtics and Lakers have only played in the playoffs TWICE. The C's and Heat have played the last three years.

3. The bad blood between the Heat and the Knicks is from the Ewing/Mourning battles of the 90s. There is absolutely nothing left from that rivalry.

4. When you say "Big 4 of the past," are you talking about the team's earlier years, like from 2008-2010? Because if so, it is pretty silly to say that the Heat's big three is better, because it isn't.

timpiker · Post #532 » by **timpiker** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:17 pm

"appreciation thread" - BS !!!!!!

Allen has a right to change teams. I have a right to boo scum. You're scum Ray Allen.

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #533 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:29 pm

LOL at Heat fans coming to bat for their new 'Super star' (who 3 weeks ago was old, garbage and belonged in a retirement home).. :lol:

EJay33 · Post #534 » by **EJay33** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:30 pm

This is so stupid that people are coming here saying Boston fans shouldn't be pissed off and should understand this. Go back in time 20 years when you guys were watching Alan Ogg and Rony Seikely and imagine if Larry and McHale were still on the team, and hypothetically imagine Robert Parish announcing "You know what, I think I have a better chance at a ring in LA or Detroit, I'm leaving for one of those two teams for less money."

Do you guys think he'd be remembered the same way? Not a friggin chance, and also don't pretend like Boston has no chance at a ring they are one of a handful of teams that can claim to have a chance, and Ray was and always was a big part of that.

Ray is a grown man and can do whatever he wants but selling out the team you won your only championship with to take less money with the enemy is the type of thing that causes people to lose respect for you, and rightfully so. I wouldn't expect any Heat fans or writers to understand this as they have all long ago talked themselves into thinking this type of behavior is ok, afterall, it's how their team came together.

It's like if the USA was in a war, and you were a soldier and thought that the USA was going to lose, so you joined the enemy's army. I'm not comparing basketball to war in terms of significance, but the point is that makes you a traitor and traitors don't deserve respect. What Ray did was childishly stick it to Boston like he is a 16 year old girl to make a point that he felt under-appreciated or ignored in the offense or whatever. It was a punk move. I'm sure if you're a Heat fan you'll convince yourself it was the right decision but don't expect everyone else to agree and maintain undying respect/loyalty to Allen after what he just did.

elle · Post #535 » by **elle** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:56 pm

For Pete's sake he was a free agent. He decides where he wants to go and which team gives him the best fit. I can see if he pulled a Dwight Howard and demanded to be traded. He exercised his right to choose where he felt increased his chances of a championship title and obviously Boston wasn't the place. Teams are made better through the draft, trades and free agency. Why is everyone crucifying the Heat for landing top free agents that all played our their contracts and decided to play together? Not long ago, I remember hearing the news that Kg would be playing with Ray Allen and Pauk Pierce and I thought great. Someone to knock the Lakers off their high horse. Now that the Heat have taken the proper steps to build a dynasty through free agency and the draft, everyone gets fuming mad. Celtic fans would have no gripes if Ray had gone to the Bucks or Bobcats, but the fact that he made a move to help extend his career, you slander him and act as if he intentionally hurt "YOU". Please grow up and remember although athletes are looked at as beacons of entertainment and inspiration, they are still humans who deserve to be happy.

Post #536 » by **tlee324** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:56 pm

Godmoney wrote:Ray is a grown man and can do whatever he wants but selling out the team you won your only championship with to take less money with the enemy is the type of thing that causes people to lose respect for you, and rightfully so. I wouldn't expect any Heat fans or writers to understand this as they have all long ago talked themselves into thinking this type of behavior is ok, afterall, it's how their team came together.

This is so **** on point.

elle · Post #537 » by **elle** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 2:59 pm

tlee324 wrote:
Godmoney wrote:Ray is a grown man and can do whatever he wants but selling out the team you won your only championship with to take less money with the enemy is the type of thing that causes people to lose respect for you, and rightfully so. I wouldn't expect any Heat fans or writers to understand this as they have all long ago talked themselves into thinking this type of behavior is ok, afterall, it's how their team came together.

This is so **** on point.

How did the Heat come together again? Through free agency and the draft. What's so wrong with that?

EJay33 · Post #538 » by **EJay33** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 3:03 pm

Like I said Elle, don't expect you to get it, and no idea why you're here trolling Celtics fans who just had the good memories of a great Celtic and UConn guy irreparably tainted forever just 72 hours ago by watching him sell out. I wish I knew what you were trying to accomplish by being in a Boston Celtics fans' Ray Allen thread, but I must not have your ability to comprehend complex situations.

Post #539 » by **darrendaye** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 3:04 pm

elle wrote:
How did the Heat come together again? Through free agency and the draft. What's so wrong with that?

And the lack of a state income tax.

EJay33 · Post #540 » by **EJay33** » Sun Jul 8, 2012 3:04 pm

elle wrote:
tlee324 wrote:
Godmoney wrote:Ray is a grown man and can do whatever he wants but selling out the team you won your only championship with to take less money with the enemy is the type of thing that causes people to lose respect for you, and rightfully so. I wouldn't expect any Heat fans or writers to understand this as they have all long ago talked themselves into thinking this type of behavior is ok, afterall, it's how their team came together.

This is so **** on point.

How did the Heat come together again? Through free agency and the draft. What's so wrong with that?

For the love of god. Congrats brah, you're the latest member of the ignore list.