Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2

[Knighthonor]

Ray Allen to the Heat.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _With_Heat

I say its no point trying to shoot for the playoffs, during this time period with the heat in the way they are.

Minds well tank for the 1# pick. No point trying to go against the Heat. Its stupid now. Just tank, and let them Dry up....

This is basically suicide to send the Wizards into the heat.
because the heat is hot.

and I mean that literally...

[doclinkin]

Ray Allen to the Heat.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _With_Heat

I say its no point trying to shoot for the playoffs, during this time period with the heat in the way they are.

Minds well tank for the 1# pick. No point trying to go against the Heat. Its stupid now. Just tank, and let them Dry up....

This is basically suicide to send the Wizards into the heat.
because the heat is hot.

and I mean that literally...

Quit being a Wiz fan then. Leave all message boards that discuss them, stop rooting for them, go away. Go ahead join your new team. And you can proudly wear a t-shirt that says: First to Quit!!!

Tired of cowardice in fandom.

And if you meant that literally, you... shxt I'm not even gonna bother.

[montestewart]

Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, 3P shooting depth at the wings. It's not really that dramatic an addition. A dramatic addition would involve the departure of Wade or Bosh. OKC hasn't peaked, and could solve in the future what they couldn't last year. But that's not our problem.

All you need is one loose thread hanging off LeBJ's shorts, Grab it and run the other way as fast as you can, suddenly he's naked, and in that split second, the game turns. Just got to be clever and fearless. Any team can be beaten, if you're not afraid to believe you could, and are willing to work to make it happen. And hey, I think I just found of a reason to keep Jordan "Thread Snatcher" Crawford around.

[FAH1223]

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, 3P shooting depth at the wings. It's not really that dramatic an addition. A dramatic addition would involve the departure of Wade or Bosh. OKC hasn't peaked, and could solve in the future what they couldn't last year. But that's not our problem.

All you need is one loose thread hanging off LeBJ's shorts, Grab it and run the other way as fast as you can, suddenly he's naked, and in that split second, the game turns. Just got to be clever and fearless. Any team can be beaten, if you're not afraid to believe you could, and are willing to work to make it happen. And hey, I think I just found of a reason to keep Jordan "Thread Snatcher" Crawford around.

monte, you're right about Jordan IMO. He's not afraid of them. The Wizards have young bucks who I believe won those two regular season games and would have still won with a full Miami team. In the regular season, the refs don't alway work as hard to give games to the Heat. Washington with Wall can run them and now Washington has big men who can manhandle Bosh, or they can go right over Haslem. Just let young dudes like Beal start hitting jumpers and Vesley throw down dunks in transition! Have Seraphin bull his way to the basket. For as good as the Heat are supposed to be, I think what really puts their elite athletes over the top is FT differential. Indiana was killing Miami before the refs took them out. Okay, Bosh got hurt and that was big but IIRC they beat them when Bosh was healthy, too.

Now that Ray Allen is a Heat I don't like him. I accept they are champs but what I hope to see is Washington both outrun and beat up their guys next season. Okay, I'm lost in exuberance, I know. What Washington needs to do is hit shots. The Wizards have addressed shot making with Nene, Kevin, and even dunks from Okafor. Beal looks like he is going to be an efficient jump shooter. The Wizards are definitely moving toward respectability.

I don't see why Washington cannot be better than Indiana this coming season.

[fishercob]

Ray Allen to the Heat.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _With_Heat

I say its no point trying to shoot for the playoffs, during this time period with the heat in the way they are.

Minds well tank for the 1# pick. No point trying to go against the Heat. Its stupid now. Just tank, and let them Dry up....

This is basically suicide to send the Wizards into the heat.
because the heat is hot.

and I mean that literally...

over/under on Knighthonor's age? I'm setting it at 15.5 and taking the under.

[montestewart]

Celtics are in decline or rebuild or rebuild-on-the-fly, and is, like Miami, deep in old wings. If Ray Allen had been a Celtic his entire career, it might be different, but he was there five years. If he's gotta be a title hound ('not one..."), so be it (not that he's gonna get one). I think he should have gone to OKC on a one-year vet minimum, so he could eventually hit a game winning 3 in game 7 of the finals, just so he could get on national TV and call the team's ownership liars. Now that would cap a fine career.

[hands11]

closg00 wrote:So the Sixers are doing what many here advocated we do. Rather than trading or attempting to trade Brand for "something", fit or bad fit, they paid-out and move forward with a young nucleus and cap-space. The Sixers are making some good moves (although they muffed the Lavoy Allen re-signing costing them $)

*Re-signed Spencer Hawes at a bargain, two-years $13 million
*Signed Nick Young for only 1-year at $6 million
*Drafted-well & for need: Harkless @ SF, Moultrie @ PF

A young team with increased speed now that Brand is gone.

PG: Jrue Holiday/?
SG: Young/Turner/Xavier Silas
SF: Iggy/Harkless
PF: Allen/Moultrie
C: Hawes/Vucevic


Cant really judge this team until we see who they add but as of right now, they are out of the playoffs and that opens up another slot for the Wizards. Hell, they only sneaked in at the 8th slots last year anyway. I don't see that they have gotten better and I don't expect a couple rookies to help out all that much.

[LyricalRico]

^ Don't forget about Thad Young. If they can move Iggy for a proven starter at PF, then I'll really get excited about them.

[Ruzious]

If the Thadster could only shoot a basketball, he'd be dangerous. Hence the problem with the 76ers - which they didn't address in the draft - and they addressed elsewhere by... signing Nick F Young... while letting go Lou Williams and Elton Brand and perhaps Jody Meeks - arguably the 3 best jump shooters on a team that has trouble spreading defenses. And their 1st pick exemplifies their weakness - how can they be so Harkless? If their goal is strictly to get into the playoffs, they have a solid shot at achieving it. If their goal is to do anything more than that, they likely won't achieve it, and I don't see that changing. They are built to be average and to stay average.

[FAH1223]

Ilyasova is re-signing with the Bucks... 5 years $45 million

[mohammed10]

Ilyasova is re-signing with the Bucks... 5 years $45 million

Ouch - more $$ than I expected for him...

[GhostsOfGil]

Looks like Captain Kirk is going back to the Bulls; 6 million over 2 years.

[Hoopalotta]

Ilyasova is re-signing with the Bucks... 5 years $45 million

Hmmm, It's about right. We would have probably had to have gone four years @ $40 million to beat that given that we can't offer a five year contract. I'd say it's arguable when compared with the Arizafor trade (counting as $29.5 million with Shart's dead money deducted); probably better value on Ilyasova, but it's a longer commitment and there's a certain "contract year" danger.

But, of all the moves made this offseason, this would be the one that would make the best "we shoulda..." argument.

Aside from that, I don't like this as it makes the Bucks a good bit more competent next year and they're definitely a team we're jockeying with for the playoffs. Ilyasova is by far the most efficient of their scorers and especially their bigs, who are otherwise just not Gooden enough.

[verbal8]

Ilyasova is re-signing with the Bucks... 5 years $45 million

Hmmm, It's about right. We would have probably had to have gone four years @ $40 million to beat that given that we can't offer a five year contract. I'd say it's arguable when compared with the Arizafor trade (counting as $29.5 million with Shart's dead money deducted); probably better value on Ilyasova, but it's a longer commitment and there's a certain "contract year" danger.

But, of all the moves made this offseason, this would be the one that would make the best "we shoulda..." argument.

Would the Wizards have needed to amnesty Blatche to have the cap space to offer a 4/40 million deal?

Not saying it would be a bad move, just a move expensive one.

[montestewart]

Expensive sure, but it would have brought rebounding and shooting, and Ilyasova wasn't too bad at either before the contract year. It would still have left the Wizards short on reliable, efficient shooting wings. I'm holding out hope that EG/TL believe this team is short on shooting, and deals involving anyone outside of Wall/Beal/Seraphin/Nene/Vesely and/or Booker are actively being pursued to address the issue.

[fishercob]

Ilyasova is re-signing with the Bucks... 5 years $45 million

Hmmm, It's about right. We would have probably had to have gone four years @ $40 million to beat that given that we can't offer a five year contract. I'd say it's arguable when compared with the Arizafor trade (counting as $29.5 million with Shart's dead money deducted); probably better value on Ilyasova, but it's a longer commitment and there's a certain "contract year" danger.

But, of all the moves made this offseason, this would be the one that would make the best "we shoulda..." argument.

Aside from that, I don't like this as it makes the Bucks a good bit more competent next year and they're definitely a team we're jockeying with for the playoffs. Ilyasova is by far the most efficient of their scorers and especially their bigs, who are otherwise just not Gooden enough.

I don't know that 4/$40M would have even gotten Ilyasova. He'd be taking a risk leaving $5M on the table. Sure, the thought is he could make more than that when it's time for a new deal in four years, but, that supposes that he avoids serious injury, his skills dont deteriorate, there's a market, etc.

Factoring in the time value of money and just carrying all that risk, he'd have to make at least $10M in that 5 year to justify him not taking the 5/$45M.

I think we would have had to throw a ton of cash at him (4/$44M) to get him. He may prove worth that. Time will tell.

[fishercob]

Very interested in the terms -- both the contract and the trade consideration -- of this sign and trade of Ryan Anderson to New Orleans. This is the first thing that could be the source of huge regret for me with the OKafor/Ariza trade.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_21 ... z203mZGCCS

The billionaire blogs.

About a week after the Nuggets acquired JaVale McGee from Washington last season, Wizards owner Ted Leonsis took to his "Ted's Take" site to take a swipe at the new Nugget: "Nene is under contract — he is secure — he is all about team success now — not about individual stats — this is what I am most excited about — a return to fundamental team-oriented basketball."

Those in D.C. felt McGee was more about McGee than D.C. You only had to look at McGee's celebration after notching a triple-double — while his team was losing — to understand Ted's take.

But in his couple of months with Denver, McGee showed maturity and, to use coach George Karl's favorite word, "teamness." And now, McGee is a coveted free agent. The Nuggets are in talks about offering him a contract in the ballpark of fellow center DeAndre Jordan, the Clippers big man who signed for four seasons and $43 million.

"While the Wizards may have tried everything they could, when you have a roster without veterans or a culture of winning, it's really hard to teach a lot of what's necessary to become a winner in this league. Your environment has a lot to do with that."

Now the Wizards have Okafor and Nene, who combine to make over $27M, playing in front of Seraphin. The Nuggets took the Lakers to 7 games with a frontcourt of Javale McGee and the guy I thought the Wizards should have drafted, Kenneth Faried.

We will see how Javale turns out and if Ted's take was right or not.

[sfam]

Wow, Jeff Green is making 9M a year? That's a lot higher than I thought he'd go. I doubt if anyone was really bidding on him other than the Celtics. Why didn't they just leave him as a restricted, I wonder?