Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXIV Off-Season Edition)

OrlandO · Post #61 » by **OrlandO** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:25 am

UCFJayBird wrote:
PigsEatHam wrote:
OrlandO wrote:I blame it on USA basketball... wade, bosh, lebron, dwight, deron and now love. They get an opportunity to dominate together in the olympics and then want it to become a reality in the nba, too.

It didn't have that effect on the 92 Dream Team, and they were far more dominant internationally because basketball outside the US hadn't caught up with us yet. I blame this big three, super-team crap on Lebron and Miami, and to a lesser extent, Boston from 2008.

Don't forget Payton and Malone going to L.A.

Where do you think Lebron, wade and bosh came up with the idea to team up? Beijing. Boston's big 3 and payton/malone waited till they were too old to lead a team themselves. I don't have a problem with that. It's the dwights and lebrons of the league who leave their own team when they should be the ones recruiting others if anything. You constantly hear old school stars talk about how they respected their rivals, but never wanted to play with them... only against them. The league has changed... for the worse.

cvMagic · Post #62 » by **cvMagic** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:25 am

Tayswagzzz wrote:
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Kevin Love tells Y! Sports he's tired of losing & Wolves need to make playoffs or make changes that could include him.

This is the NBA today. Disgusting.

You will absolutely see a FRANCHISE TAG in the next CBA. Guaranteed. The small market teams will get tired of this.

Post #63 » by **UCFJayBird** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:25 am

Actually I blame the NBA and the NBAPA for not having a HARD CAP. It's absolutely ridiculous that a team could sign 3 players to max contracts and still have enough money to put a decent supporting cast around them.

In order for 3 max players to get together on a team, it should mean taking a significant pay cut to make it happen.

Skin · Post #64 » by **Skin** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:25 am

There's nothing Hennigan can do to satisfy all of us. LOL.

thelead · Post #65 » by **thelead** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:27 am

UCFJayBird wrote:Actually I blame the NBA and the NBAPA for not having a HARD CAP. It's absolutely ridiculous that a team could sign 3 players to max contracts and still have enough money to put a decent supporting cast around them.

In order for 3 max players to get together on a team, it should mean taking a significant pay cut to make it happen.

Yeah, that too. Could yo imagine no limits on "max" contracts and a hard $70 mil cap?

TDJacksonville · Post #66 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:28 am

arkknight1988 wrote:would houston have enough salary to send back to take on dwight and jrich? would our newly aquired trade exception help?

yes they do and ur trade exception goes with us acquiring more salary than taking back :wink:

The Effect · Post #67 » by **The Effect** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:28 am

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: As Orlando's hopes for a Dwight Howard deal with Lakers hit turbulence, Nets emerge again.

Seriously, someone make it stop!!!

Post #68 » by **eyriq** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:29 am

david pingalore ‏@pinglocal6

There is a lot floating out there about @DwightHoward hearing #lakers making a very hard push tonight. #magic

thelead · Post #69 » by **thelead** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:29 am

Skin wrote:There's nothing Hennigan can do to satisfy all of us. LOL.

If he could trade Dwight along with Hedo, Duhon, and JRich for expirings and picks, I'm sure no one would be mad.

TDJacksonville · Post #70 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:30 am

cvMagic wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Kevin Love tells Y! Sports he's tired of losing & Wolves need to make playoffs or make changes that could include him.

This is the NBA today. Disgusting.

You will absolutely see a FRANCHISE TAG in the next CBA. Guaranteed. The small market teams will get tired of this.

Maybe some kind of Pick Compensation like MLB does for a FA signings crap or an NFL comp Pick thing?

magicfan9109 · Post #71 » by **magicfan9109** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:30 am

Henny needs to hold till at least the deadline. Who knows who could be available then to come help Dwight in Orlando or be available for Dwight.

OrlandO · Post #72 » by **OrlandO** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:30 am

The Effect wrote:Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: As Orlando's hopes for a Dwight Howard deal with Lakers hit turbulence, Nets emerge again.

Seriously, someone make it stop!!!

I thought you hated Bynum... Shouldn't Lopez make you happy? :wink:

Tayswagzzz · Post #73 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:30 am

I'm still wondering why BBD was so sure Dwight would stay after this season was over...doesn't seem like that was the case at all.

TDJacksonville · Post #74 » by **TDJacksonville** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:31 am

thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:There's nothing Hennigan can do to satisfy all of us. LOL.

If he could trade Dwight along with Hedo, Duhon, and JRich for expirings and picks, I'm sure no one would be mad.

that would make the people not wanting to TANK mad :wink:

OrlandO · Post #75 » by **OrlandO** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:33 am

Tayswagzzz wrote:I'm still wondering why BBD was so sure Dwight would stay after this season was over...doesn't seem like that was the case at all.

Because Dwight probably trolled Big Baby like he trolled us... telling him how much he loves it here, how much he loves his teammates, etc. All BS.

PigsEatHam · Post #76 » by **PigsEatHam** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:33 am

[quote="OrlandO] Where do you think Lebron, wade and bosh came up with the idea to team up? Beijing. Boston's big 3 and payton/malone waited till they were too old to lead a team themselves. I don't have a problem with that. It's the dwights and lebrons of the league who leave their own team when they should be the ones recruiting others if anything. You constantly hear old school stars talk about how they respected their rivals, but never wanted to play with them... only against them. The league has changed... for the worse.[/quote]

I understand your point, it's mine as well. We're just saying it a different way. The league has changed for the worse. Players on past Olympic teams who dominated didn't come back stateside and say, screw this self-reliance and team-building junk, I'm just going to join up with my competition and pummel weaklings, you know, cause that means I'm the best. It's a bit like Wal-Mart and Target crushing all the mom-and-pop stores. The strong, unchecked, gang up and destroy everyone else. That didn't happen as recently as fifteen years ago; the top players wanted to test themselves against other top players.

Oh well. Partly because I'm a masochist who never learns, I'll keep watching and waiting for my Orlando championship.

thelead · Post #77 » by **thelead** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:34 am

TDJacksonville wrote:
thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:There's nothing Hennigan can do to satisfy all of us. LOL.

If he could trade Dwight along with Hedo, Duhon, and JRich for expirings and picks, I'm sure no one would be mad.

that would make the people not wanting to TANK mad

Eh, they're not "people" :lol:

OrlandO · Post #78 » by **OrlandO** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:35 am

Yeah, it's a bit disappointing for anyone who grew up watching the older generation of stars...

Post #79 » by **eyriq** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:35 am

thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:There's nothing Hennigan can do to satisfy all of us. LOL.

If he could trade Dwight along with Hedo, Duhon, and JRich for expirings and picks, I'm sure no one would be mad.

There are two trade scenarios that would make me happy:

Rebuild accelerator package of youth, expiring contracts, and picks, positioning us to tank in '13 for a lottery pick with serious cap space to bring in an all star.

Trade for Bynum in a package that allows us to move one or all of Baby|JRich|Hedo, giving us a franchise center to build around and serious cap space to use in summer '13 for rebuilding our core.

The Net's package does neither.

thelead · Post #80 » by **thelead** » Mon Jul 9, 2012 3:36 am

The past 90's Olympic teams had players at the end of their careers. The younger players did join forces.