Jon Morosi: Blue Jays? are eyeing Garza and Rodriguez

[polo007]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-h ... -or-hamels

There may be teams aiming high, of course, and those teams may only consider a No. 1 type pitcher such as Hamels or Greinke. Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reported on Tuesday that the Rangers are one of those teams, and that they favor Hamels, then Greinke, and probably no one after that.

The general consensus, though, is that while Garza seems to rank third among these three good pitchers, he is worth more than the other two on the trade market because of the following two points:

1.Garza will be tied to the acquiring team for a year and a half, not just a half year

2.A draft choice will still be attached to Garza whereas a team acquiring Hamels or Greinke would not have the benefit of an acquired draft choice should Hamels or Greinke leave via free agency after this year. That's because of the new CBA rules stipulating free agents must spend a year with their final team for their team to be awarded a pick.

"The duration always trumps how good the player is," one N.L. GM said, suggesting that while Garza wasn't as good as the other two, he is currently more valuable in trade.

"Based on 1½ years of control and the draft pick," Garza is worth more, said another N.L. GM.

Garza is drawing interest from the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Yankees and several others.

[polo007]

http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/221635928853200897

Jon Morosi‏

@jonmorosi

#BlueJays‬ showing most interest in pitchers under control beyond this year. Matt Garza and Wandy Rodriguez high on their list, sources say.

9:04 AM - 7 Jul 12 via Twitter for iPhone

[dagger]

We've been hearing this for weeks, and given AA's tendency to do the unexpected, it seems less than 50-50 that anything happens here.

[satyr9]

But if the unexpected is expected, then doing a long-rumoured deal should actually be even more unexpected, therefore we should pretty much book Garza and Wandy in the rotation by August, right?

[Al_Oliver]

But if the unexpected is expected, then doing a long-rumoured deal should actually be even more unexpected, therefore we should pretty much book Garza and Wandy in the rotation by August, right?

Garza is somewhat interesting, but I hope the Jays have nothing to do with (hit me) Wanda...

[Holmes]

I guess we want to finish 82-80 rather than 80-82.

[RapsFanInVA]

I guess we want to finish 82-80 rather than 80-82.

Considering I have money on the Jays over 81.5 wins, I'll take it!

[Graham's Cracker]

Don't like the potential prospect price of Garza that's being floated, especially given that we only have control for one year beyond this season. Doesn't seem like AA would be willing to pay that price for one competitive season (next year).

I didn't mind the potential acquisition of Wandy when it was rumored last season, because even at the monetary cost the prospect return wouldn't have been as high and he's been consistent albeit in a weak division. However, his K% has significantly declined this year. I supposed he'd be alright as a back of the rotation starter in a decent rotation or he'd be the ace of our current rotation (or maybe 1A next to Laffey).

[Raider917]

Is Richard in SD a fre agent this winter?

[nonc]

it's too bad Lincecum doesn't have 2.5 left instead of 1.5

[limegameboy]

Is Richard in SD a fre agent this winter?

classic petco pitcher, horrible outside of that park

[kavan]

I think Hamles and Garza should be number 1 on our list. Any prospect outside of our triple A could be made available. I would go as far as moving a roster player like Johnson or JP if needed. I would not mind moving someone out of our Bulpen (Fransico Cordero if team wants an expiring) Remember some of these prospects may never amount to anything. I would even consider moving Drabek in a deal if it makes sense I am sure the phillies like him.

[Strav]

I'd be talking to Mr. Beane - dude has a dearth of young quality pitching that has shown they can throw in the major leagues.

[Fairview4Life]

I'd be talking to Mr. Beane - dude has a dearth of young quality pitching that has shown they can throw in the major leagues.

Dearth means scarcity/lack of. Is that what you really meant?

[Graham's Cracker]

I'd be really reluctant to go after Hamels now that he has stated his first choice is to re-sign with the Phillies in the off-season (even if he gets moved).

[mini]

Are there any "controllable" SP available other than Garza or Wandy? It seems as though those are the only 2 non-rental guys whose names keep coming up. Garza would be good, Wandy, not so much. I'm not too enamoured with the idea of Garza being the big fish we go after. What are King Felix, Gallardo, etc up to?


Also, I was thinking that we could offer both Greinke and Hamels deals similar to Cliff Lee's and it would roughly be equivalent to Prince Fielder's $$$. That would make us favourites for the WS in my mind (and we'd still have our prospects to round out the roster (or deal) to keep costs relatively low. It's a dream, but I wish that's the route we would take (this offseason... or deal for them now with extensions already in place)

[Strav]

I'd be talking to Mr. Beane - dude has a dearth of young quality pitching that has shown they can throw in the major leagues.

Dearth means scarcity/lack of. Is that what you really meant?

oops no

[Graham's Cracker]

Are there any "controllable" SP available other than Garza or Wandy? It seems as though those are the only 2 non-rental guys whose names keep coming up. Garza would be good, Wandy, not so much. I'm not too enamoured with the idea of Garza being the big fish we go after. What are King Felix, Gallardo, etc up to?


Also, I was thinking that we could offer both Greinke and Hamels deals similar to Cliff Lee's and it would roughly be equivalent to Prince Fielder's $$$. That would make us favourites for the WS in my mind (and we'd still have our prospects to round out the roster (or deal) to keep costs relatively low. It's a dream, but I wish that's the route we would take (this offseason... or deal for them now with extensions already in place)

I thought I read on MLBTraderumors that Hamels was looking for $24M/season for 5 or more years. I wouldn't mind McCarthy as a mid-rotation starter. There have been reports that he'd be willing to sign an extension with the A's, maybe they could work out an extension & trade.

[mini]

Are there any "controllable" SP available other than Garza or Wandy? It seems as though those are the only 2 non-rental guys whose names keep coming up. Garza would be good, Wandy, not so much. I'm not too enamoured with the idea of Garza being the big fish we go after. What are King Felix, Gallardo, etc up to?


Also, I was thinking that we could offer both Greinke and Hamels deals similar to Cliff Lee's and it would roughly be equivalent to Prince Fielder's $$$. That would make us favourites for the WS in my mind (and we'd still have our prospects to round out the roster (or deal) to keep costs relatively low. It's a dream, but I wish that's the route we would take (this offseason... or deal for them now with extensions already in place)

I thought I read on MLBTraderumors that Hamels was looking for $24M/season for 5 or more years. I wouldn't mind McCarthy as a mid-rotation starter. There have been reports that he'd be willing to sign an extension with the A's, maybe they could work out an extension & trade.

We could still hypothetically give Hamels and Greinke close to that on 5 year deals and not be far from the Prince contract (without the long-term risk). Obviously it's a crazy hypothetical, but I'd rather those 2 SP than one 1B. Our rotation would be the best in ball.

McCarthy is hurt right now no? Is he due back soon? Still, is a McCarthy enough to get us to meaningful September ball? Would a McCarthy + Garza be worth the trade cost? Bautista and crew don't seem to be interested in waiting another year.

[jrsmith]

2 years of doing nothing, 2 years of Bautista's prime going in the toilet, 2 years of possibly acquiring Wandy Rodriguez.

Lets stick to the plan, be patient, do nothing, and maybe we can go after Wandy next year.

Hilarious.