Asik Discussion. Pg 50 Sheridan: Bulls will match

[The Bear Jew]

The only way I want Asik NOT matched is if we actually do something with the money. Picking up Muhammad and maybe re-sign Korver and Lucas would hurt us. I'm an Asik fan, but I've said this before, matching him at that price isn't worth it.

You do realize that our defense is built from the inside-out. If Asik is gone what do you think happens.

I never said it wouldn't hurt us, I just don't think he's worth that money, we could spend it elsewhere. If we're going to pay the lux tax (which we will if we match Asik and re-sign Korver), it's simply not worth it for those guys. It would be the first time in franchise history and we probably won't go anywhere next year. Now if Asik would take 4 years 25 mill I would do it in a second, I just don't want that backloaded contract at all for a backup center (even though he is a good one).

[boogydown]

I keep hearing people say oh we got to let Asik go, it's better for our future. I want to hear one realistic scenario that has a VERY LIKELY chance of happening if we let Asik walk that makes us better.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

In crunch time Taj, Noah, and Asik can match up defensively with any type of front court and be successful. If we lose Asik teams will go big on us and Noah will be in foul trouble. Not to mention very few bigs as big as Asik can hedge on the pick and roll like he can. He's a part of what makes us elite. We can't lose that now. If we had a second star that we could build with that would be different but as of now Defense and Rebounding are what make us elite.

If you have not heard there are very few good bigs in the league, there is only 1 other team with 2 good 7 footers and it is in the west. Nobody in the East can "GO BIG" on us. Not worried about losing Asik, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more worried about the lack of scoring in the back court.

In case you haven't noticed teams are going big this of season.

NYK - Amare, Tyson, Camby
Ind - Noah struggles with Hibbert and they just got Plumlee
Brooklyn - Dwight goes big on us all by himself
Boston - now has Melo, Garnett, Johnson
Toronto - Bargs, Valanciunas, Davis, Amir
Philly - Hawes, Moultrie, Vucevic

The Pistons got big, Cleveland got Big, and Orlando can also go big.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

It's not rocket science. If you can't match up with MIA star/talent wise than you can only really beat them inside and in the half court.

[Jimmy Forums]

Several people here to quote, but in short.... you get Noah and Nazr guarding Dwight Howard for a full playoff series, and you will gain a greater appreciation for Asik.

People act like Asik's 15 mpg mean he never played more than 15. There were games he played more, games he played less. Reason being, there are some teams where Noah's talents are less useful, and some where Asik's are less useful.

Having both of them helped make us an elite defense. Defense is what we were best at, and 48 minutes of multifaceted centers was a reason we had an advantage over other teams.

You guys just conveniently forgot how our bench mob used to come in and turn the tide of games. Asik and Gibson = stifling. Noah has an array of skills, but defensively he's not nearly as physical as Asik. His offensive rebounding is largely a product of playing a lot of minutes with Rose driving to the hoop, drawing attention from opposing big men.

When Noah gets boxed out, he is very boxed out.

Given that we need offense, and already are very capable defensively, I'd say that Asik's talents are more useful somewhere else, and suggest that we use that money to find some offense.

Asik is not our anchor, people. He played FIFTEEN minutes.

See my post above comparing total minutes played by Asik and Noah. Asik contributed a lot to this team. People won't appreciate it til it's gone.

You mean the one about him playing 989 minutes out of a possible 3,936 in the whole 2010-2011 season? Yes. I saw it. That's 25%. One quarter. You want to pay him $15 million to play one quarter? That's okay with you?

[The Bear Jew]

I keep hearing people say oh we got to let Asik go, it's better for our future. I want to hear one realistic scenario that has a VERY LIKELY chance of happening if we let Asik walk that makes us better.

Once more, I support Asik at a cheaper price, but doesn't appear that is happening. I would welcome an Asik and Korver for Martin S&T or Asik for Lee S&T, pick up Pryzbilla. Like I said, if Bulls actually use some of the money they would've used on Asik to get someone the caliber of maybe Lou Williams, I'm all for it, I just don't think we should put another $15 mill on our salary that last year when we're FINALLY gonna amnesty Boozer.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

15 mil is out in the future who knows if he'll still be here. He's definitely worth 2 yrs. at 5 a piece.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I keep hearing people say oh we got to let Asik go, it's better for our future. I want to hear one realistic scenario that has a VERY LIKELY chance of happening if we let Asik walk that makes us better.

Once more, I support Asik at a cheaper price, but doesn't appear that is happening. I would welcome an Asik and Korver for Martin S&T or Asik for Lee S&T, pick up Pryzbilla. Like I said, if Bulls actually use some of the money they would've used on Asik to get someone the caliber of maybe Lou Williams, I'm all for it, I just don't think we should put another $15 mill on our salary that last year when we're FINALLY gonna amnesty Boozer.

Lou doesn't get us any closer to a championship with out Asik

[Red Larrivee]

By the way...in the magical 2010-11 campaign, Noah played 1576 minutes and Omer played 989. Please do not underscore how important Omer has been to our success.

He's the defensive center on an elite defensive unit, and he plays a lot. He affects winning. Noah is not a guy who alters shots in the lane.

So Noah's going to play 48 games each season?

[Jimmy Forums]

15 mil is out in the future who knows if he'll still be here. He's definitely worth 2 yrs. at 5 a piece.

I'm not willing to take "who knows if he'll still be here" as a legitimate justification. That's a joke. $15 million is a big number to be paying our backup center in the middle of our (hopefully) title contending years.

[Mech Engineer]

Offense for a Center doesn't mean just making jump-shots. Asik does a lot of things on offense which are very important like setting good screens, setting good picks etc..

He is like a stone wall on defense even for the elite teams with his fundamental way of defending. Lose him to save money for whom...to sign Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo or wait for the pipe dream of Kevin Love.

[The Bear Jew]

15 mil is out in the future who knows if he'll still be here. He's definitely worth 2 yrs. at 5 a piece.

No doubt, but you can't assume the Bulls will get rid of him or that a team will even want him. Who knows, he can be a 29-year old injured bum, not saying it will happen, but it's just a risk, that's all.

[boogydown]

Not to mention we still don't know the details of the contract because it hasn't been signed yet. For all we know, there is a buyout on the last year.

Still waiting for that "better scenario"

[Red Larrivee]

Offense for a Center doesn't mean just making jump-shots. Asik does a lot of things on offense which are very important like setting good screens, setting good picks etc..

Man, that sure is a wonderful skillset.

Not to mention we still don't know the details of the contract because it hasn't been signed yet. For all we know, there is a buyout on the last year.

Still waiting for that "better scenario"

Why would there be a buyout? And don't you think an important element to an offer sheet like that would've leaked by now?

[boogydown]

15 mil is out in the future who knows if he'll still be here. He's definitely worth 2 yrs. at 5 a piece.

Exactly

Trade Chip, or
No Trade Chip

[JohnnyKILLroy]

15 mil is out in the future who knows if he'll still be here. He's definitely worth 2 yrs. at 5 a piece.

I'm not willing to take "who knows if he'll still be here" as a legitimate justification. That's a joke. $15 million is a big number to be paying our backup center in the middle of our (hopefully) title contending years.

Asik shuts down entire offenses by himself. We don't get to contend for titles without him. I don't see why you don't realize that it's much easier to stay elite with Omer than it is to give him away and try to win with out him. Who realistically can do what he can?

[Steve Brule]

I say match, but that's just because the "captain omerica" nickname that i proudly coined past year has yet to catch on and I was planning on using next season's game threads as a catalyst. It's my one chance to leave a lasting impression on this board.

I need this. I'm not good at making nicknames. This is my only shot.

[Leslie Forman]

There is a huge difference between the Asik and BG situations. Asik is a phenomenal defensive center who is ideal size and quickness. Ben Gordon however was a novelty player who did not have a NBA position. He's a small guard that cannot play point.

Is this load of horsecrap for real? I mean seriously, are these words in this sequence actually on my screen right now?

Ben Gordon, the "novelty player," was the goddamn leading scorer of a 49-win team. Ben Gordon was basically the best sixth man in the entire league. Ben Gordon scored 20PPG on an above average TS% on a regular basis. Have some goddamn respect for what he did here. "Novelty player" my ass.

Omer Asik, meanwhile, is Chris Dudley with a Turkish accent, yet people want to give him $8.3million a year. No wonder the Bulls front office overvalues defense and "thrust" so much, it's because the fans do too, apparently.

[Red Larrivee]

Exactly

Trade Chip, or
No Trade Chip

2013-14: Deng $14.2M expiring, Hinrich $3M expiring
2014-15: Boozer $16.8M expiring
2015-16: Noah $12M expiring

We aren't lacking trade chips or expiring contracts.

No wonder the Bulls front office overvalues defense and "thrust" so much, it's because the fans do too, apparently.

+1.

[tikay0036]

I love this myth that we can trade him in his last year. When has a player with Asik's numbers that made 15 mil in a year ever gotten traded?

Just the principle in it alone makes me not want the FO to match Asik. This is one of those times where the FO really does have to play it "safe".