should the hawks trade for howard with out a commitment

[truehawksfan121]

It has been reported that the Orlando would take Al horford over brook Lopez and we can give Orlando a better offer than what the nets can give them. The only problem is Dwight is scaring other teams away by saying he will only resign with the nets. That's where he really wants to go. But the problem is Dwight really don't have the power he thinks he does. The only way he can go to the nets is sign and trade this year. The nets don't have the cap room to just sign him as a free agent. So if the hawks were to trade for him now he just can't sign with the nets next year when he a free agent. The only team with cap room that may be a threat to sign him next year is Dallas.

What I want to know if u was the hawks gm would u trade Al Horford, Jeff Teague and 2 1st round picks for Dwight Howard without getting a commitment to stay from him. Or will that be to much of a risk to take.   

[dtown8]

if i was the GM, i wouldn't do the Horford for Dwight trade, but if it happen, i wouldn't be upset at it either.

[parson]

#1, if we traded Horford for Howard, there's no way we'd send Teague or picks. Horford - by himself - beats what the Nets are sending = Lopez (and his foot) and 3 picks that will be poor ones.
#2, if we traded Horford for Howard and then Howard does what he's been saying he'll do for 2 years, we'd be the laughingstock of the NBA.
#3, if we traded Horford for Howard and then lost Howard, Josh Smith would follow him right out the door, cursing us as he went.

And #4, if we traded Horford, Teague and 3 picks, then lost Howard and lost Smith, ORL would have Horford and THREE lottery picks from us ('cuz we'd stink) and ... We'd. Be. The. Laughingstock. Of. The. NBA. For. Years.

[Zedders]

You guys should be all over that deal.

Teague/Horford and picks for Dwight and you go hard after Monta Ellis in 2013. Dwight will not walk away from extra money and a supporting cast consisting of two of his best buddies.

Get that deal done, you won't regret it.

[parson]

You guys should be all over that deal.

Teague/Horford and picks for Dwight and you go hard after Monta Ellis in 2013. Dwight will not walk away from extra money and a supporting cast consisting of two of his best buddies.

Get that deal done, you won't regret it.

Orlando fan?

[truehawksfan121]

That's the problem if u trade horford Teague and picks for Howard and he just walk next year we would look like fool's. But on the other hand if he stays it would be a good trade. Teague can easily replace next year in free agency. And the 2 picks we send would be the pick from Houston we got in the Joe johnson trade and a late 1st round pick. Next year we would be able to get free agents and build the team around him.

[dtown8]

if Josh can get Dwight to agree to sign an extension before the trade, then i might reluctantly say 'yes' to the trade...... so it is all up to Josh at this point.

maybe Ferry can guarantee to Dwight and Josh that he will go hard after Chris Paul next summer (or Stephen Curry, or James Harden)

[tiderulz]

That's the problem if u trade horford Teague and picks for Howard and he just walk next year we would look like fool's. But on the other hand if he stays it would be a good trade. Teague can easily replace next year in free agency. And the 2 picks we send would be the pick from Houston we got in the Joe johnson trade and a late 1st round pick. Next year we would be able to get free agents and build the team around him.

where is he going to walk to? Leave his best buds in Smith plus possibly Monta...or..


aging Dirk with no other real players

Houston in the middle of rebuild

Cant go to Nets...cant go to LA

[parson]

That's the problem if u trade horford Teague and picks for Howard and he just walk next year we would look like fool's. But on the other hand if he stays it would be a good trade. Teague can easily replace next year in free agency. And the 2 picks we send would be the pick from Houston we got in the Joe johnson trade and a late 1st round pick. Next year we would be able to get free agents and build the team around him.

where is he going to walk to? Leave his best buds in Smith plus possibly Monta...or..


aging Dirk with no other real players

Houston in the middle of rebuild

Cant go to Nets...cant go to LA

Then why aren't Y'ALL keeping him? I think you suspect what we suspect: that DH has his mind made up that he'll end up with the Nets.

[CorleyHawk]

Without a Superstar you dont win CHAMPIONSHIPS. Detroit is the only team to win one in the last 20 years without a top 10 talent. Bulls with Jordan, Rokets with olajuwon, Spurs with Duncan/Robinson, Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, Heat with Wade/Shaq/Lebron and Mavs with Dirk. All those teams also had had second big time all-star also (not Joe all-star).

Horford is not top 10 and will never be. The only chance we have of winning it all in the next 5-8 years it to get Howard (and keep him) and get CP3 next summer. I want to win it all or start over. Trade Horford and our picks next year with a conditional unprotected 1st pick in 2015 (if Howard resigns you get it). Our pick and the Rockets picks are middle to late picks next year so who cares.

Who are Howards options to sign with next year? Atlanta, Dallas some small market teams and a S&T? Refuse the S&T to the Nets and see if Paul and Josh can get him to resign if not enjoy Dallas and Dirks old butt or S&T to the Lakers for Bynum.

As far as the league laughing at us they already do. So let them laugh at us taking a chance to win it all and fail.

[parson]

As far as the league laughing at us they already do. So let them laugh at us taking a chance to win it all and fail.

I don't mind them laughing at us for failure - I DO mind them laughing at us for what I believe to be stupidity. The very picks we send to ORL would be the lottery picks we would need to benefit from tanking.

WITH Horford, we already have the money for 2 max FAs. Even if we keep the picks, to assume we'll tank and get Bill Russell and Michael Jordan is to go right back to where we were 10 years ago ... and 10 years from now, we'll probably be right back here if we depend on the draft as you advocate - the very same way we depended on it 10 years ago.

If the team can win, our young players can grow; but if we lose badly, everything will fall apart and the youngsters will develop bad habits and be ruined.

Keep Horford, try to keep Smith (or get value for him in a trade) and focus on spending that FA money. Develop Teague and Jenkins and the 2 first rounders we'll pick next year.

[JoshB914]

#1, if we traded Horford for Howard, there's no way we'd send Teague or picks. Horford - by himself - beats what the Nets are sending = Lopez (and his foot) and 3 picks that will be poor ones.
#2, if we traded Horford for Howard and then Howard does what he's been saying he'll do for 2 years, we'd be the laughingstock of the NBA.
#3, if we traded Horford for Howard and then lost Howard, Josh Smith would follow him right out the door, cursing us as he went.

And #4, if we traded Horford, Teague and 3 picks, then lost Howard and lost Smith, ORL would have Horford and THREE lottery picks from us ('cuz we'd stink) and ... We'd. Be. The. Laughingstock. Of. The. NBA. For. Years.

I haven't read anything to indicate we would trade 3 unprotected first round picks.

Thing is, if we lose DH and Smoove next summer we are left with a ton of $$$ and a rebuild. And after getting Joe/Marvin's contracts off the books, we were probably considering going that route regardless. It's a risk, for sure. But I disagree about becoming a laughingstock (maybe I am missing something regarding the picks we'd trade), as the repercussions aren't that large.

Also, considering the other teams that have cap space next summer, that Howard is from Atlanta and best friends with Josh, and I don't think this is that bad a gamble to take, especially because we will still have options if it doesn't pay off.

[tiderulz]

That's the problem if u trade horford Teague and picks for Howard and he just walk next year we would look like fool's. But on the other hand if he stays it would be a good trade. Teague can easily replace next year in free agency. And the 2 picks we send would be the pick from Houston we got in the Joe johnson trade and a late 1st round pick. Next year we would be able to get free agents and build the team around him.

where is he going to walk to? Leave his best buds in Smith plus possibly Monta...or..


aging Dirk with no other real players

Houston in the middle of rebuild

Cant go to Nets...cant go to LA

Then why aren't Y'ALL keeping him? I think you suspect what we suspect: that DH has his mind made up that he'll end up with the Nets.

bridges are burned in Orlando, wish it werent but it is. You would be a fresh team with his best bud and possibly Monta for the dynamic wing.

[saloonyk8]

We are seeing this exact scenario play out. Ferry is not an idiot. He will give up Horford if Howard agrees to the extension, we'll probably also give Teague and picks.

I personally might even roll the dice with a Horford, protected picks trade...I think I could convince Howard to stay on a team with Teague, Smith, and Howard with cap space to get Ellis or Harden or CP3....also I would know that only the Mavericks could sign him outright, we'd be offering more money AND a better team...

but of course it is a risk, Nets didn't get where they are without risking anything, neither did the Heat, each franchise was dangerously close to being a complete joke.

[dtown8]

That's the problem if u trade horford Teague and picks for Howard and he just walk next year we would look like fool's. But on the other hand if he stays it would be a good trade. Teague can easily replace next year in free agency. And the 2 picks we send would be the pick from Houston we got in the Joe johnson trade and a late 1st round pick. Next year we would be able to get free agents and build the team around him.

where is he going to walk to? Leave his best buds in Smith plus possibly Monta...or..


aging Dirk with no other real players

Houston in the middle of rebuild

Cant go to Nets...cant go to LA

just look at what just happen....

"Magic Reopen Dwight Trade Talks With Other Teams"

the Nets trade might not happen because of the $15 million per year price tag on Brook Lopez

this just goes to show that scenario of signing Dwight and CP while keeping Horford and Josh is closer to possible now.

[saloonyk8]

You know what it is gonna take...for Orlando to grow a pair and say to Dwight, WE WILL NOT TRADE YOU TO THE NETS, YOU ARE UNDER CONTRACT, EITHER PLAY THIS YEAR OUT OR AGREE TO EXTEND WITH ANOTHER TEAM. Instead they're catering to his ego and indecision.

[dtown8]

That's the problem if u trade horford Teague and picks for Howard and he just walk next year we would look like fool's. But on the other hand if he stays it would be a good trade. Teague can easily replace next year in free agency. And the 2 picks we send would be the pick from Houston we got in the Joe johnson trade and a late 1st round pick. Next year we would be able to get free agents and build the team around him.

where is he going to walk to? Leave his best buds in Smith plus possibly Monta...or..


aging Dirk with no other real players

Houston in the middle of rebuild

Cant go to Nets...cant go to LA

just look at what just happen....

"Magic Reopen Dwight Trade Talks With Other Teams"

the Nets trade might not happen because of the $15 million per year price tag on Brook Lopez

this just goes to show that scenario of signing Dwight and CP while keeping Horford and Josh is closer to possible now.

[saloonyk8]

Nets trade was by far the worst trade I have seen in ANY sport EVER

[azuresou1]

HELL NO. Are you guys kidding me?

Say we trade Horford, Teague, and 2 1sts. Dwight decides to bail. Then what? Josh likely follows him, leaving our roster barren of ANY NBA talent other than John Jenkins, who hasn't played a single NBA minute yet. Furthermore, without any picks, we won't be able to rebuild either, and will likely overpay a bunch of moderately scrubby players.

That is a TERRIBLE risk/reward ratio.

[saloonyk8]

Wish I was GM, I'd have some prelim talks with Dwight, if he was somewhat amenable to staying, I'd trade Horford and 3 conditional 1st round picks.

If he walks we'd have literally no one under contract, just start from scratch, still have the lottery picks if they're protected properly.