Dwight Howard trade rumor thread (Talks on hold? P. 90)

[Shaheen]

I haven't herd anything bout the t-wolves . The bobcats seem unlikely.

T-Wolves were reported earlier today.
Bobcats makes sense because they actually could use Humphries and Brooks on their team.

[microfib4thewin]

I'd like to hear your rationale on how Houston's prospects have higher trade value than a 24 year old all star Center.

A 24 year old with physical and mental issues. The biggest negative is how much Bynum will be paid for. A Bynum package will have no valuable picks, no prospect, and you may still have one or two overpaid players on the team. Bynum's next contract will start at 18 mil, then we have Hedo or J-Rich at 6 mil, Glen Davis at 6 mil, Duhon at 3 mil, and whatever Reddick is signed for. That's at least 36 mil committed in salary for those 5 players in 2014. Assuming the rest of the roster are filled with fringe backup players the Magic would be lucky to get enough caproom to sign someone for slightly higher than the MLE. This is what the team would look like when Bynum's new deal kicks in.

Bynum
Above MLE PF like Milsap
Hedo
J-Rich or Reddick
Duhon
8 other players

That isn't a team that is going to contend for a high seed, and since the Magic didn't take the Nets or the Rockets deal they don't have a lot of trade chips to work with. That's the main advantage of Houston's package. The Magic don't need to commit so soon on building a winning team and they are given time to think on how they can consolidate their assets. If the Magic gets Bynum, then they have to build a contender right away without any trade assets to improve the team.

And for all the OMGs people have on Lopez's extension he is getting the same extension as Bynum did, and Bynum only got that extension based on 35 games as well as the belief that the Lakers need him as a main piece to win titles. Turns out we didn't need Bynum's service that much considering how little he contributed during the repeat.

[Shaheen]

The Rockets will do what the Clippers did for Chris Paul or the Nets did with Deron Williams. Give up the farm, roll the dice and try to build a title contending team in Houston. 16 months ago, people thought Deron would wind up with the Knicks or Mavericks. Now the Nets should be top 4 or 5 in the East and the Clippers will probably be the same. Certainly better than lottery mainstays. Which is what Houston is right now.

Chris Paul wanted a trade to the Clippers. Deron didn't even want a trade.

Both scenarios are better than trading for a player who specifically does not want to be there and only has a year of his contract left. Houston is also giving up more assets then the Nets or Clippers did.
But thats just my opinion.

[kblo247]

I haven't herd anything bout the t-wolves . The bobcats seem unlikely.

T-Wolves were reported earlier today.
Bobcats makes sense because they actually could use Humphries and Brooks on their team.

Well Wolves have wanted Pau to appease Love and Rubio. They do have Pek and Williams, but tbh Beasley would have made them a more likely partner IMO.

[AcecardZ]

If realizing that the nets package is by far the worst package of all the trade scenarios being discussed in this thread and the 10 other threads where you made yourself look like an idiot makes me a lakers homer... then that qualifies about 95% of this forum the last few days as laker homers.

I don't think they would take too kindly to being called that.

80% of this thread was Lakers fans so of course they got angry at me.

There are a million Lakers fans on RealGM and in the world. When it comes to numbers you beat anybody.

Lakers fans didn't get mad at you for being a Nets fan. That's what you don't understand and I've tried to help you with. A lot of the stuff you bring on yourself.

You'll have a lot more success blogging and talking in internet forums if you relax a bit and learn not to let every little comment that people make piss you off.

[FullCircle]

I'm probably going to look incredibly stupid in a few hours, but why the rush to end this today? Could it be because they don't want the Nets to pull out, and so they're going to trade Howard to them?

I can dream, can't I...

Because as of three and a half hours ago, the trade offers will get significantly worse with teams moving on with their off-season agendas. They either have to do it now, or wait until the trade deadline, which would be stupid.

[therealbig3]

I don't think Lopez deserves it.

But even then, he's getting paid significantly less than what Bynum is about to be paid. He's still got a more reliable health history than Bynum. And his attitude is way better than Bynum's.

Lopez and Bynum are closer than Bynum and Howard are, in my humble opinion. But Bynum is going to be paid like he is Dwight Howard.

Bynum vs Howard was a topic of discussion among TNT crew with Shaq picking Bynum being better.

Lopez vs Bynum is a no contest.

I know it's just your opinion but that's the reality right now.

Bynum is going to be paid like Howard while being 2 years younger and having a game which is not heavily dependent on athleticism like Howard is. I'd say it's fair.

I recall everyone on that crew clearly picking Howard except for Shaq, and he was ridiculed for it. He clearly hates the attention Howard gets, so he goes against him whenever he can.

But whatever, I don't want to get into a debate about this, it's not really relevant right now. Let's agree to disagree. I will concede though that Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league until proven otherwise.

[chubby_1_kenobi]

I'd like to hear your rationale on how Houston's prospects have higher trade value than a 24 year old all star Center.

A 24 year old with physical and mental issues. The biggest negative is how much Bynum will be paid for. A Bynum package will have no valuable picks, no prospect, and you may still have one or two overpaid players on the team. Bynum's next contract will start at 18 mil, then we have Hedo or J-Rich at 6 mil, Glen Davis at 6 mil, Duhon at 3 mil, and whatever Reddick is signed for. That's at least 36 mil committed in salary for those 5 players in 2014. Assuming the rest of the roster are filled with minimum players the Magic would be lucky to get enough caproom to sign someone for slightly higher than the MLE. This is what the team would look like when Bynum's new deal kicks in.

Bynum
Above MLE PF like Milsap
Hedo
J-Rich or Reddick
Duhon
9 minimum players

That isn't a team that is going to contend for a high seed, and since the Magic didn't take the Nets or the Rockets deal they don't have a lot of trade chips to work with. That's the main advantage of Houston's package. The Magic don't need to commit so soon on building a winning team and they are given time to think on how they can consolidate their assets. If the Magic gets Bynum, then they have to build a contender right away without any trade assets to improve the team.

And for all the OMGs people have on Lopez's extension he is getting the same extension as Bynum did, and Bynum only got that extension based on 35 games.

Just tank in 2012, get a high pick in 2013 and sign someone good in 2014 when Hedo and Quentin's contract contract are off the books. Rebuild around a 26 year old all star Center + 2013 draft pick + 2014 FA. If that works out, it only takes them 2 years to be a playoff team again.
I believe the Magic owner had mentioned that they actually didn't want to rebuild after spending so much money on a new arena. Even if Houston package give them more time to rebuilds, that might not be what the Magic FO wanted.

So yeah, again, Lakers offer >>> Houston offer if they refuse to take Hedo and J-rich.

[mrlancers]

The Rockets will do what the Clippers did for Chris Paul or the Nets did with Deron Williams. Give up the farm, roll the dice and try to build a title contending team in Houston. 16 months ago, people thought Deron would wind up with the Knicks or Mavericks. Now the Nets should be top 4 or 5 in the East and the Clippers will probably be the same. Certainly better than lottery mainstays. Which is what Houston is right now.

Chris Paul wanted a trade to the Clippers. Deron didn't even want a trade.

Both scenarios are better than trading for a player who specifically does not want to be there and only has a year of his contract left. Houston is also giving up more assets then the Nets or Clippers did.
But thats just my opinion.

And if Howard goes, then Houston can properly rebuild like the Cavs were forced to.

Ask yourself this question if you're a Rockets fan. What's the ceiling of your team right now? What is the best case scenario? Conference semifinals?

They don't have any superstars to build around. They're just good enough to win 35-40 games which prohibits them from top collegiate prospects. Houston's got to do something. Throwing offer sheets at Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin won't put them over the hump.

[Shaheen]

And if Howard goes, then Houston can properly rebuild like the Cavs were forced to.

Ask yourself this question if you're a Rockets fan. What's the ceiling of your team right now? What is the best case scenario? Conference semifinals?

They don't have any superstars to build around. They're just good enough to win 35-40 games which prohibits them from top collegiate prospects. Houston's got to do something. Throwing offer sheets at Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin won't put them over the hump.

How can Houston not properly rebuild with all their young players and draft picks coming up? you act like they will be a playoff team with this roster. Not even close.

If they are worried about being too good all they have to do is trade Martin and/or Scola. Giving up all their assists for a year of Dwight is just stupid. These are very good pieces they can use to rebuild.

[GoldenKnight]

Getting some rest, hopefully tomorrow I will hear some amazing news

[mrlancers]

And if Howard goes, then Houston can properly rebuild like the Cavs were forced to.

Ask yourself this question if you're a Rockets fan. What's the ceiling of your team right now? What is the best case scenario? Conference semifinals?

They don't have any superstars to build around. They're just good enough to win 35-40 games which prohibits them from top collegiate prospects. Houston's got to do something. Throwing offer sheets at Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin won't put them over the hump.

How can Houston not properly rebuild with all their young players and draft picks coming up? you act like they will be a playoff team with this roster. Not even close.

If they are worried about being too good all they have to do is trade Martin and/or Scola. Giving up all their assists for a year of Dwight is just stupid. These are very good pieces they can use to rebuild.

Look at your own team. That would be Houston's blueprint. The Nets took the exact same risk with Deron just 16 months ago. Get the superstar. Build around him. Who knows? Maybe after a year in the system, he decides to stay. Just like Deron did.

Plus let's not forget 30 million dollars Dwight leaves on the table he loses if he goes play somewhere else. Deron may say it didn't matter....but come on now. It most certainly helped.

[Shaheen]

Look at your own team. That would be Houston's blueprint. The Nets took the exact same risk with Deron just 16 months ago. Get the superstar. Build around him. Who knows? Maybe after a year in the system, he decides to stay. Just like Deron did.

Plus let's not forget 30 million dollars on the table he loses to go play somewhere else. Deron may say it didn't matter....but come on now. It most certainly helped.

ITs not the same. Deron was always happy to be here. He said before the season started it was 90% sure he would resign.

Dwight does not want to play for Houston and after their season he most definitely will not want to play for Houston.
And the rise the Rockets are using is far too much. Thats like 2 years of rebuilding gone to waste.

[therealbig3]

And if Howard goes, then Houston can properly rebuild like the Cavs were forced to.

Ask yourself this question if you're a Rockets fan. What's the ceiling of your team right now? What is the best case scenario? Conference semifinals?

They don't have any superstars to build around. They're just good enough to win 35-40 games which prohibits them from top collegiate prospects. Houston's got to do something. Throwing offer sheets at Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin won't put them over the hump.

How can Houston not properly rebuild with all their young players and draft picks coming up? you act like they will be a playoff team with this roster. Not even close.

If they are worried about being too good all they have to do is trade Martin and/or Scola. Giving up all their assists for a year of Dwight is just stupid. These are very good pieces they can use to rebuild.

Look at your own team. That would be Houston's blueprint. The Nets took the exact same risk with Deron just 16 months ago. Get the superstar. Build around him. Who knows? Maybe after a year in the system, he decides to stay. Just like Deron did.

Plus let's not forget 30 million dollars Dwight leaves on the table he loses if he goes play somewhere else. Deron may say it didn't matter....but come on now. It most certainly helped.

Completely different though:

-The Nets had half a year extra to try and convince Deron

-Deron didn't even get to the point where he was demanding a trade, and then he suddenly found himself in NJ

-Deron didn't specifically tell NJ not to trade for him (this is an extension of the above point)

-Deron had a much more open mind than what Dwight's shown so far

-Deron doesn't receive the type of recognition and endorsements that Dwight does, so that extra 30 million in salary probably means a hell of a lot more to him than it does Dwight

[DreDay]

Is anyone really excited that this is ending today? Houston, LA, Brooklyn, I can't work out a clear favourite. I had a similar feeling last year with Chris Paul and was devastated that he didn't land with the Warriors.

[microfib4thewin]

Just tank in 2012, get a high pick in 2013 and sign someone good in 2014 when Hedo and Quentin's contract contract are off the books. Rebuild around a 26 year old all star Center + 2013 draft pick + 2014 FA. If that works out, it only takes them 2 years to be a playoff team again.
I believe the Magic owner had mentioned that they actually didn't want to rebuild after spending so much money on a new arena. Even if Houston package give them more time to rebuilds, that might not be what the Magic FO wanted.

So yeah, again, Lakers offer >>> Houston offer if they refuse to take Hedo and J-rich.

If the Magic are going to tank then why don't they just take whatever Houston has to offer? Getting Bynum would make it hard to tank properly. Let's say that the Magic was able to tank anyways and got the #1 pick, how long is that pick going to take before he becomes a star player? You are going to pay Bynum 18-23 mil a year from 2014-2018 while you wait for a 2013 draft pick to develop? By the time that draft pick is fully developed Bynum's contract may already be ending. A core of Bynum and a high lotto pick simply doesn't make sense. You can't hope the second best player to be a prospect that you hope would pan out while Bynum is paid a large sum of money and the team most likely in luxury tax territory. As for getting a FA in the 2014 offseason, many other teams will also try to do the same as many of the older star players will be available. The big 3 in Miami has an ETO, Kobe, Pau, Dirk, and Pierce's contract will end by then. There is going to be a huge scramble for those FAs. The problem? The younger stars like Griffin and Love are all locked up past 2014, so most likely you will only find a star over the age of 35 to help you. With what you purpose, it would be:

Bynum
High lotto pick
An over 30 FA

As the main pieces for the Magic to contend. That team is not likely going to go anywhere and the Magic will have no picks or prospects to upgrade their roster. Getting Bynum is better, but it's hardly a slamdunk offer over what other teams are willing to give.

[mrlancers]

-The Nets had half a year extra to try and convince Deron

That's fair. The Nets did have an extra offseason to make proper moves.

-Deron didn't even get to the point where he was demanding a trade, and then he suddenly found himself in NJ

He wasn't going to stay in Utah. The Jazz were smart enough to know he would inevitably bolt. They got an amazing offer and took it on the spot.

-Deron didn't specifically tell NJ not to trade for him (this is an extension of the above point)

But early reports were that was upset with the trade. I remember a story from a Jazz beat writer who claimed he refused to get on a flight to Jersey.

-Deron had a much more open mind than what Dwight's shown so far

True. However, Dwight's erratic thought process could change now that his dream scenario (Brooklyn) is off the table for good. His options in free agency appear limited.

-Deron doesn't receive the type of recognition and endorsements that Dwight does, so that extra 30 million in salary probably means a hell of a lot more to him than it does Dwight

30 million is 30 million. It matters.

[Jameslm18]

Shaheen just go away! You know nothing asides from the nets and there terrible trade offers

[EArl]

-The Nets had half a year extra to try and convince Deron

That's fair. The Nets did have an extra offseason to make proper moves.

-Deron didn't even get to the point where he was demanding a trade, and then he suddenly found himself in NJ

He wasn't going to stay in Utah. The Jazz were smart enough to know he was bolting. They got an amazing offer and took it on the spot.

-Deron didn't specifically tell NJ not to trade for him (this is an extension of the above point)

But early reports were that was upset with the trade. I remember a story from a Jazz beat writer who claimed he refused to get on a flight to Jersey.

-Deron had a much more open mind than what Dwight's shown so far

True. However, Dwight's erratic thought process could change now that his dream scenario (Brooklyn) is off the table for good. His options in free agency appear limited.

-Deron doesn't receive the type of recognition and endorsements that Dwight does, so that extra 30 million in salary probably means a hell of a lot more to him than it does Dwight

30 million is 30 million. It matters.

I think the problem with Dwight staying in Houston is that he isn't rational. IDK what the owner of the Nets did to Dwight, but he is dead set on going to Brooklyn.
Its like he brainwashed his ass or has his family for ransom. ITs kind of scary. I have never seen a player so dead set at ending up in one place.

[therealbig3]

^Melo was just as dead set at ending up in NY. The difference is that he was a lot smarter about it, and didn't opt-in...and the Nuggets front office isn't as catastrophic as the Magic's.