Dwight Howard trade rumor thread (Talks on hold? P. 90)

NekiEcko · Post #841 » by **NekiEcko** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:04 am

But I dont think the fans isnt going to like it but I still have faith that Atlanta can pull this one out. But how much is the Lakers will have in salary, i know that they are in Lux. Tax already but I am curious.

lakersin4 · Post #842 » by **lakersin4** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:16 am

Only in the offseason do you see posters talking down on players like Bynum.. The Bynum isn't good camp was really quiet all of last season & they will be once again when the season starts.. He might not be better than Dwight yet, but it's a Kobe/Dwade type top 2 at that position.. The next guy isn't close

KayAllTheWaay · Post #843 » by **KayAllTheWaay** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:17 am

I'm not a fan of any of the teams involved so this is a pretty unbiased opinion.

If Orlando wants to rebuild, i think a direct deal with Houston is the best option. 2nd best is the Nets' offer and the Lakers' is the worst offer.

1. Houston can offer young talent and good picks
2. Nets can offer some talent (Lopez is still in development), and mediocre picks, maybe some good picks from other teams and cap relief
3. Lakers can offer done players (i Bynum is what he is, don't think he will get better), some bad picks and no cap relief

If Orlando somehow wants to "win now", the Lakers' offer is the best one (they don't need to wait, until Bynum develops, he is already there) and the Nets the worst, because they would have to wait for Bynum to fully develop AND gain his form back after his desastrous last season.

Houstons offer in that scenario would still be the second best option i guess, just because of the mass of players and picks they can offer.

For Orlando it would be dumb, though, to try to "win now", none of these trades will provide a roster, which will be able to win something. Not in todays league...

D12VCMagic · Post #844 » by **D12VCMagic** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:57 am

How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

ShowTimeERA · Post #845 » by **ShowTimeERA** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:03 am

D12VCMagic wrote:How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Bynum has yet to reach his potential...

Josephpaul · Post #846 » by **Josephpaul** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:05 am

The magic will should go with HOU . I think that's the best deal for them.

KayAllTheWaay · Post #847 » by **KayAllTheWaay** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:07 am

D12VCMagic wrote:How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Because Bynum is in the League since 2005. He had enough time to develop with the best coaches and some of the best players in the NBA to mentor him..

Lopez is in the league for 4 seasons ofwhich he played just 3. He is on his rookie contract. He will develop further.

I just checked Basketball-Reference. There was only one season in which Bynum played more than 65 games.
Lopez played three full seasons until last season. Why would I want to rebuild with an injury prone Center, who will NOT play for my team at least like 15 games of the season (if you believe in math and statistics, that will happen) on a max contract? And isn't Bynums max contract more than Lopez'?

D12VCMagic · Post #848 » by **D12VCMagic** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:08 am

ShowTimeERA wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Bynum has yet to reach his potential...

I don't think so either, and if he gets traded away from LA and becomes the main option I see his game growing. I think he can be almost as good as Dwight as the centerpiece, which is why I'm reluctant to ship him out to Houston while we get a couple of rookies. Sure, we could tank and rebuild, but I think getting Bynum would prevent rebuilding. Assuming he stays of course.

D12VCMagic · Post #849 » by **D12VCMagic** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:14 am

KayAllTheWaay wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Because Bynum is in the League since 2005. He had enough time to develop with the best coaches and some of the best players in the NBA to mentor him..

Lopez is in the league for 4 seasons from which he played just 3. He is on his rookie contract. He will develop further.

I just checked Basketball-Reference. There was only one season in which Bynum played more than 65 games.
Lopez played three full seasons until last season. Why would I want to rebuild with an injury prone Center, who will NOT play for my team at least like 15 games of the season (if you believe in math and statistics, that will happen) on a max contract? And isn't Bynums max contract more than Lopez'?

Bynum being in the league longer is pretty irrelevant, he came into the league more raw with more potential to grow. Lopez got to develop his game at the college level while Bynum was thrown to the wolves at a younger age. Not to mention that Bynum has so much room to grow without Kobe. Not trying to hate on Kobe, but Bynum can grow so much more on offense with more touches that he isn't getting with Kobe.

You're also leaving out how soft Lopez is, dude doesn't rebound or play defense. He is a seven footer who scores on a pretty inefficient rate for a big man. His best season came when he was the best player on a 70 loss team. **** that, I'm not paying him the max. He is a 7 foot softie who even admitted to being lazy, and somehow he is better than Bynum going forward? Also, Lopez isn't on his rookie contract, he is a FA and will get paid the max.

cheenofly523 · Post #850 » by **cheenofly523** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:19 am

[youtube]http://http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrexbO_sksQ[/youtube]

Brook Lopez is as soft as you can get and he's getting offered the max?

KayAllTheWaay · Post #851 » by **KayAllTheWaay** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:24 am

I never said that Lopez is better than Bynum. I even said, that if the Magic are in "win now"-mode, then the best thing to do for them is get Bynum.

I just read your posts, too and you say, that getting Bynum would prevent the Magic from rebuilding, so we have common points

My honest opinion is just, that the Magic should try to rebuild through the draft. Something like: Get the Houston deal (like i said in my first post, thats the best offer in case of rebuilding), tank hard. There are a lot of very bright talents in the next two drafts. Even if you take the Nets offer, you will have some more picks and a scoring Center, which you won't find easily through the Draft.

And I agree with your opinion on Lopez, too. He is soft, and he doesn't rebound a lot. You have to have a hard nosed PF next to him. A hard nosed PF is easier to find than a scoring Center. (Not saying that the Nets offer is the best)
I think, that the Rockets offer would be the best, IF they offer some good picks and some of their young talent.

BelgianMagic · Post #852 » by **BelgianMagic** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:51 am

Orlando won't give Brooklyn Dwight just cause Dwight wants it. Au contraire, I think Brooklyn is a last resort just because Dwight wants it so bad and Orlando doesn't wanna give Dwight his wish after all this drama.

Brooklyn's offer just isn't very good, sorry Nets fans. Paying Brook Lopez a max contract and rebuilding are 2 things that just don't go together. Lopez is a good player, I like him, but he isn't worth a max on a rebuilding team.

About who's the best trade partner, I think both LA and HOU have their pros & cons.

Bynum's arguably the 2nd best C in the league. Good big men are hard to find. Only problem is the uncertainty of him extending/re-signing next summer.

Houston can offer the best package for a rebuild. They can offer young guys, decent picks & cap relief.

Brooklyn doesn't offer any of that. Low 1st-round picks & an overpaid Brook Lopez, that won't be an easy rebuild.

It's nothing personal, but if it were up to me I wouldn't even wanna deal with Brooklyn. Not because their offer isn't good enough, but just to prevent Dwight from getting his wish after all that's happened the past few months and also to prevent the making of another Super Team in the East.

Josephpaul · Post #853 » by **Josephpaul** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:01 pm

HOU offers cap space, young players.
Lakers offer Bynum.
If I was HOU though, I'd take Bynum

chubby_1_kenobi · Post #854 » by **chubby_1_kenobi** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:06 pm

Josephpaul wrote:HOU offers cap space, young players.
Lakers offer Bynum.
If I was HOU though, I'd take Bynum

If you look back on this thread, you can find Houston fans believing that Morey will not take both Hedo and J-rich, just one of them. Meanwhile, the Lakers (according to reports) are more receptive to the idea of taking J-rich off Orlando's hand. So from cap space point of view, is there too much difference between LAL offer and HOU offer?

BelgianMagic · Post #855 » by **BelgianMagic** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:10 pm

Nobody will take Turkoglu. We will buy him out next summer so I think JRich/Duhon are the bad contracts we're trying to dump at this moment ..

Zedders · Post #856 » by **Zedders** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:12 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Nobody will take Turkoglu. We will buy him out next summer so I think JRich/Duhon are the bad contracts we're trying to dump at this moment ..

Duhon is only guaranteed $1.5m next season.

J-Rich and Big Baby are your worst.

PetroNet · Post #857 » by **PetroNet** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:15 pm

D12VCMagic wrote:How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

is bynum at 100M really much better then Lopez at 58 million?

with bynums knees im not sure its a great idea to committ 5 years and 100 milion on him

Josephpaul · Post #858 » by **Josephpaul** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:18 pm

Because Lopez is MR.. Healthy?

BelgianMagic · Post #859 » by **BelgianMagic** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:18 pm

Zedders wrote:
BelgianMagic wrote:Nobody will take Turkoglu. We will buy him out next summer so I think JRich/Duhon are the bad contracts we're trying to dump at this moment ..

Duhon is only guaranteed $1.5m next season.

J-Rich and Big Baby are your worst.

Duhon is garbage, he's not worthy of a single minute in this league.

I also don't get why some consider Baby as a bad contract. Look at how he played when Dwight went down. He's definitely worth his contract and he really wants to be in Orlando. He's the type of player/person our new GM wants on this team. People that want to be here and play hard every night. He&Jameer will be the leaders of our team next season.

JRich/Duhon are the contracts we're trying to get rid of. JRich cause he's also a Dan Fegan guy on a bad contract and Duhon cause .. Well, I already told u why

chubby_1_kenobi · Post #860 » by **chubby_1_kenobi** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:18 pm

PetroNet wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

is bynum at 100M really much better then Lopez at 58 million?

with bynums knees im not sure its a great idea to committ 5 years and 100 milion on him

Bynum in a compressed season with no teammates undercutting him = healthy

Lopez in a compressed season = broke foot.....TWICE!