Dwight Howard trade rumor thread (Talks on hold? P. 90)

[Josephpaul]

HOU offers cap space, young players.
Lakers offer Bynum.
If I was HOU though, I'd take Bynum

If you look back on this thread, you can find Houston fans believing that Morey will not take both Hedo and J-rich, just one of them. Meanwhile, the Lakers (according to reports) are more receptive to the idea of taking J-rich off Orlando's hand. So from cap space point of view, is there too much difference between LAL offer and HOU offer?

Ah. HOU would have to take one to get Dwight. If it's just ORL.

[Kobe System]

For me, it is HOU > LAL > whatever team >>>>>>> NJN. My bet is with HOU.

EDIT: Yea, it is now Brooklyn Nets.

[PetroNet]

Because Lopez is MR.. Healthy?

Lopez

09 - 82 games played
10 - 82 games played
11 - 82 games played
12 - 5 games played

he's been injured once in his career

Bynum

06 - 46 games played
07 - 82 games played
08 - 35 games played
09 - 50 games played
10 - 65 games played
11 - 54 games played
12 - 60 games played

bynum has missed games in 6 of his 7 nba seasons. and missed a ton of games in the majority of his time in the league. and even in 2007, he only played 20 minutes per game.

he has had knee surgery each of the last 3 seasons, including having surgery recently at the end of this year. there is also talk he may go overseas to ahve the same treatment kobe and arod got on their knees.

i dont think you can really compare the 2 health wise. Lopez broke a bone and has been injured once. bynum ahs had multiple surgeries on both knees and missed over 150 games in his career already

[chubby_1_kenobi]

Because Lopez is MR.. Healthy?

Lopez

09 - 82 games played
10 - 82 games played
11 - 82 games played
12 - 5 games played

he's been injured once in his career

Bynum

06 - 46 games played
07 - 82 games played
08 - 35 games played
09 - 50 games played
10 - 65 games played
11 - 54 games played
12 - 60 games played

bynum has missed games in 6 of his 7 nba seasons. and missed a ton of games in the majority of his time in the league. and even in 2007, he only played 20 minutes per game.

he has had knee surgery each of the last 3 seasons, including having surgery recently at the end of this year. there is also talk he may go overseas to ahve the same treatment kobe and arod got on their knees.

i dont think you can really compare the 2 health wise. Lopez broke a bone and has been injured once. bynum ahs had multiple surgeries on both knees and missed over 150 games in his career already

Are you just going to ignore how the injury happened? If I go to Lopez' house right now with a sledgehammer and broke one of his knee, is he also as injury prone as Bynum?

[PetroNet]

How can you say that Bynum is what he is but Lopez has room to grow when they are both 24 years old?

The Nets' offer is easily the worst. Lopez on a max contract is awful. Bynum is better and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

is bynum at 100M really much better then Lopez at 58 million?

with bynums knees im not sure its a great idea to committ 5 years and 100 milion on him

Bynum in a compressed season with no teammates undercutting him = healthy

Lopez in a compressed season = broke foot.....TWICE!

yet bynum was the one having offseason surgery, not lopez.

bynum is the one whose had multiple surgeries on both knees

bynum si the one who has missed over 150 games in just 7 seasons.

im not saying there arent concerns with brook. but investing 5 years and 100 million in bynum isnt exactly a low risk move

[D12VCMagic]

is bynum at 100M really much better then Lopez at 58 million?

Way better.

[PetroNet]

Because Lopez is MR.. Healthy?

Lopez

09 - 82 games played
10 - 82 games played
11 - 82 games played
12 - 5 games played

he's been injured once in his career

Bynum

06 - 46 games played
07 - 82 games played
08 - 35 games played
09 - 50 games played
10 - 65 games played
11 - 54 games played
12 - 60 games played

bynum has missed games in 6 of his 7 nba seasons. and missed a ton of games in the majority of his time in the league. and even in 2007, he only played 20 minutes per game.

he has had knee surgery each of the last 3 seasons, including having surgery recently at the end of this year. there is also talk he may go overseas to ahve the same treatment kobe and arod got on their knees.

i dont think you can really compare the 2 health wise. Lopez broke a bone and has been injured once. bynum ahs had multiple surgeries on both knees and missed over 150 games in his career already

Are you just going to ignore how the injury happened? If I go to Lopez' house right now with a sledgehammer and broke one of his knee, is he also as injury prone as Bynum?

does it matter how it happened? a knee injury is a knee injury. it doesnt require less time to heal depending on how it happened.

if lebron tears his ACL slipping at the supermarket it doesnt mean it wont effect him because it didnt happen on the basketball court

[ShowTimeERA]

Because Lopez is MR.. Healthy?

Lopez

09 - 82 games played
10 - 82 games played
11 - 82 games played
12 - 5 games played

he's been injured once in his career

Bynum

06 - 46 games played
07 - 82 games played
08 - 35 games played
09 - 50 games played
10 - 65 games played
11 - 54 games played
12 - 60 games played

bynum has missed games in 6 of his 7 nba seasons. and missed a ton of games in the majority of his time in the league. and even in 2007, he only played 20 minutes per game.

he has had knee surgery each of the last 3 seasons, including having surgery recently at the end of this year. there is also talk he may go overseas to ahve the same treatment kobe and arod got on their knees.

i dont think you can really compare the 2 health wise. Lopez broke a bone and has been injured once. bynum ahs had multiple surgeries on both knees and missed over 150 games in his career already

Bynum was not having surgery. He was having the same procedure as Kobe Bryant in Germany. Brook Lopez on the other hand broke his foot twice in a span of less than 1 year.

[chubby_1_kenobi]

yet bynum was the one having offseason surgery, not lopez.

bynum is the one whose had multiple surgeries on both knees

bynum si the one who has missed over 150 games in just 7 seasons.

im not saying there arent concerns with brook. but investing 5 years and 100 million in bynum isnt exactly a low risk move

The Magic have the luxury to see how Bynum's knee are holding up next season before giving him that contract. A luxury that they won't have had they traded for Lopez.

[Jameslm18]

Because Lopez is MR.. Healthy?

Lopez

09 - 82 games played
10 - 82 games played
11 - 82 games played
12 - 5 games played

he's been injured once in his career

Bynum

06 - 46 games played
07 - 82 games played
08 - 35 games played
09 - 50 games played
10 - 65 games played
11 - 54 games played
12 - 60 games played

bynum has missed games in 6 of his 7 nba seasons. and missed a ton of games in the majority of his time in the league. and even in 2007, he only played 20 minutes per game.

he has had knee surgery each of the last 3 seasons, including having surgery recently at the end of this year. there is also talk he may go overseas to ahve the same treatment kobe and arod got on their knees.

i dont think you can really compare the 2 health wise. Lopez broke a bone and has been injured once. bynum ahs had multiple surgeries on both knees and missed over 150 games in his career already

Lol you nets homers are really something

Lopez is no where near bynums level, did you see him play last season? Because I watched 5 games at the staple centre and I must say he would be perfect for Orlando!

Honestly Lopez is terrible the guy can't even get a rebound at 7 foot!!!!

And don't tell me I know nothing I seen him play before live and many times on tv and his trash his exactly the type of player Orlando Don't want to build around

[chubby_1_kenobi]

does it matter how it happened? a knee injury is a knee injury. it doesnt require less time to heal depending on how it happened.

if lebron tears his ACL slipping at the supermarket it doesnt mean it wont effect him because it didnt happen on the basketball court

Of course it matters. If Bynum's injury are because his knees couldn't handle his weight such was the case with Oden, he's basically a knee injury waiting to happen.

But if Bynum's knee buckled because Odom undercut him and Kobe slide at full speed into him, why worry too much about it? Especially after he has proven that he's fine playing in a compressed season.

[PetroNet]

yet bynum was the one having offseason surgery, not lopez.

bynum is the one whose had multiple surgeries on both knees

bynum si the one who has missed over 150 games in just 7 seasons.

im not saying there arent concerns with brook. but investing 5 years and 100 million in bynum isnt exactly a low risk move

The Magic have the luxury to see how Bynum's knee are holding up next season before giving him that contract. A luxury that they won't have had they traded for Lopez.

thats a fair point.... but even if bynum only misses say 10 games next season... signign him for 5 years, its still a big gamble he doesnt get injured. he's a big guy with 2 bad knees. i just dont see him ever putting together a string of healthy seasons.

but def. a fair point on lopez and having to committ before seeing him play. although a broken foot is less of a concern then chronic knee issues

[NekiEcko]

That is the another thing about this thing puzzled me, Byunm has history of bad health (his knees), I think that is way too risk to put that much money on him, what would happen if he knees blow out again, then what?

Plus whenever it Houston or Orlando, he will get more mintues on the floor then LA because you can just slide Pau up to Center while Byunm is resting.

At the end, everything is a high risk, do yall think that Dwight is going to be Dwight of old after that surgery on his back, probably not.

There is another thing that has been troubling me about this, I let yall Lakers fans tell me, the reason why that OKC smoke yall out in Playoff because Westbrook, Harden, and Durant. So how yall going to deal with those problems when you added D12? Same with Spurs.

[PetroNet]

bynum has missed games in 6 of his 7 nba seasons. and missed a ton of games in the majority of his time in the league. and even in 2007, he only played 20 minutes per game.

he has had knee surgery each of the last 3 seasons, including having surgery recently at the end of this year. there is also talk he may go overseas to ahve the same treatment kobe and arod got on their knees.

i dont think you can really compare the 2 health wise. Lopez broke a bone and has been injured once. bynum ahs had multiple surgeries on both knees and missed over 150 games in his career already

Lol you nets homers are really something

Lopez is no where near bynums level, did you see him play last season? Because I watched 5 games at the staple centre and I must say he would be perfect for Orlando!

Honestly Lopez is terrible the guy can't even get a rebound at 7 foot!!!!

And don't tell me I know nothing I seen him play before live and many times on tv and his trash his exactly the type of player Orlando Don't want to build around

reading is fundamental.

who compared lopes to bynum skill wise? if your going to respond at least read the text your are quoting. i mean how can you quote a post, then ignore it in your response completely?

all that was suggested is that bynum at 5 eyars 100 million with his health is a pretty risky move in its own right. it would be real hard being stuck with him at 3 yeas 60 million if he cant play after a few seasons

i happen to think, when healthy, that bynum is certainly a better player then lopez. but that wasnt the poitn being discussed

[PetroNet]

does it matter how it happened? a knee injury is a knee injury. it doesnt require less time to heal depending on how it happened.

if lebron tears his ACL slipping at the supermarket it doesnt mean it wont effect him because it didnt happen on the basketball court

Of course it matters. If Bynum's injury are because his knees couldn't handle his weight such was the case with Oden, he's basically a knee injury waiting to happen.

But if Bynum's knee buckled because Odom undercut him and Kobe slide at full speed into him, why worry too much about it? Especially after he has proven that he's fine playing in a compressed season.

knee injuries are bad any way you slice them. once they are repaired, you are still never 100%. especially in the NBA when there is so much wear and tear on them and so much jumping and lateral movement required. and thats for just 1 knee, let alone 2. plus its not isolated - he has had multiple procedures on each knee.

a 300 pound guy with 2 bad knees is a bad combination, wether he did it on the court or jumping rope or eating jellybeans. just take a look at the history of centers with knee injuries.

not to mention, he will be asked to play 35+ minutes as the star of a team. not the 25-30 hes been asked to play in LA

[ShowTimeERA]

does it matter how it happened? a knee injury is a knee injury. it doesnt require less time to heal depending on how it happened.

if lebron tears his ACL slipping at the supermarket it doesnt mean it wont effect him because it didnt happen on the basketball court

Of course it matters. If Bynum's injury are because his knees couldn't handle his weight such was the case with Oden, he's basically a knee injury waiting to happen.

But if Bynum's knee buckled because Odom undercut him and Kobe slide at full speed into him, why worry too much about it? Especially after he has proven that he's fine playing in a compressed season.

knee injuries are bad any way you slice them. once they are repaired, you are still never 100%. especially in the NBA when there is so much wear and tear on them and so much jumping and lateral movement required. and thats for just 1 knee, let alone 2. plus its not isolated - he has had multiple procedures on each knee.

a 300 pound guy with 2 bad knees is a bad combination, wether he did it on the court or jumping rope or eating jellybeans. just take a look at the history of centers with knee injuries.

not to mention, he will be asked to play 35+ minutes as the star of a team. not the 25-30 hes been asked to play in LA

Andrew Bynum averaged 35 minutes a game in a compressed season...What you say or think is not going to convince or determine what Orlando will ultimately be doing...

[orangeparka]

What that really sucks for the Nets. If I'm them, I easily take the Nets deal or even just Bynum.

[Stebo_SSK]

Only when D12 is on the line to go to the Nets have I ever heard anyone argue anything positive in favor of Brook Lopez. Not a bad player but when a guy cant defend or rebound at the 5, that is a serious issue. Its like Nets fans are trying to convince everyone that Lopez is a better option. The trade the Nets had on the table was pure bull.

[chubby_1_kenobi]

knee injuries are bad any way you slice them. once they are repaired, you are still never 100%. especially in the NBA when there is so much wear and tear on them and so much jumping and lateral movement required. and thats for just 1 knee, let alone 2. plus its not isolated - he has had multiple procedures on each knee.

a 300 pound guy with 2 bad knees is a bad combination, wether he did it on the court or jumping rope or eating jellybeans. just take a look at the history of centers with knee injuries.

not to mention, he will be asked to play 35+ minutes as the star of a team. not the 25-30 hes been asked to play in LA

Everything you just wrote about Bynum's knee can also be said about Lopez foot.

[lakersin4]

If Lopez ever plays next to a defensive anchor PF/C, he might actually earn his money..