Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXVII Off-Season Edition)

[Carlos Arroyo]

OT....anyone that's playing 2k on ps3 right now is it me or is it a lot more laggy and slow than usual?

u nd me cant play togethere lol

[onedollarbills]

he was guilt tripped into opting in, not because his heart was in Orlando, come on now.

He opted in because he was about to be traded to somewhere he didn't want to go.

I call bs because he could of left after the season.

[pogiro]

he was guilt tripped into opting in, not because his heart was in Orlando, come on now.

He opted in because he was about to be traded to somewhere he didn't want to go.

I've asked people who think this, why didn't he go along with the trade knowing he'd only have to be there for a few months? The only response I've seen is "because Dwight is dumb"... Have a better answer to provide?

[Michael Lucky]

well if you believe that you're seriously going to be disappointed.

[chunnyboy]

btw - if the REALISTIC houston-orl trade goes through like i see it - houston could field a pretty damn interesting team on the floor next season- given they make the right PG play for the MLE or something like that... say... a Ramon Sessions type?

Dwight Howard / Jon Leuer
Donatas Motiejunas / Patrick Patterson
Royce White
Kevin Martin / Jason Richardson
Ramon Sessions / Courtney Fortson / Chris Duhon

Depending on how Motiejunas and White fare in their rookie season... that frontcourt MIGHT be just enough to convince Dwight to stay -

[onedollarbills]

well if you believe that you're seriously going to be disappointed.

man it comes down to feelings and emotions and i agree with skip, dwight likes to be the big fish in a small pound. Plus i honestly feel like we can recruit cp3 to come here in 2013

[Chet Wagner]

EVERYONE!

Let's get realistic about what Houston will offer and be willing to take back.

First of all, I'm firmly in the camp that Morey will designate Donatas Motiejunas and Royce White as "untouchable." I believe that the package will center around the Toronto pick (which will be somewhere between 8-12 because they'll improve a bit, with the upgrade at PG and C) and one or two of their own picks (or the one which they have rights to switch with NYK) the players offered will be some combination of Lamb Parsons and Jones (i'd also want brockman) - and they'll most likely be taking back (depending on if they amnesty Scola or not) ONE of JRich and Hedo and possibly Duhon as a kicker. We may have to sweeten the deal by throwing in Harper but I think we're all fine with that.

We're NOT getting motiejunas, white AND all the other players. we get a possible top 10 pick, two young and promising NBA starter wings in Lamb and Parsons, a combo forward (they are the future) with a lot of potential in Jones (or this could be Morris - which is a big downgrade and Brockman) and a few mid to late 1st round picks in exchange for Dwight, JRich (I'd prefer if they took him, i think we all do) and possibly Duhon and Harper.

We'll tank the season and possibly enter the 2013 draft with two top 10 picks and the rebuild will officially be underway.

all clear? say aye

Even this is too much unfortunately. People just have to remember it's a one year rental and Dwight just had back surgery. If Dwight was willing to do an extension, there's no doubt the FO could get the same type of deal the Nuggets got for Melo. But he's not, so his value is severely decreased.

Since Henny has basically made it known he doesn't want Bynum by now I think, Houston knows they're the only ones with assets he wants and they're really the only team left in the race (LA still lingers, they'd jump back in if he changes his mind, but they're merely lurking in the shadows at this point) so their offer is going to be low.

I heard a report when the Rockets deal initially started again that Houston was offering K-Mart, Patrick Patterson, the Toronto pick, and one more pick. Morey told Henny to go take the Brooklyn deal if he didn't like it, and Henny balked. Since then they went back to Brooklyn to maybe try to up the ante but at this point I don't see Morey biting too hard. He's not offering anything else but is instead willing to take on one more bad contract

I disagree White is untouchable, I think Lamb is the one who would be untouchable (with K-Mart leaving they have no scoring wings). I think the best deal Henny is looking at is

Toronto 1st round pick
Houston 2017 1st round pick
Kevin Martin
Royce White/Terrance Jones (either one or someone like Parsons)

and then they'd be willing to take on J-Rich, Duhon, and one more bad contract. I don't think Q-Rich is a bad deal but maybe the FO thinks he is

[Michael Lucky]

CP3 won't leave the clippers considering he can make 25million more than by going to another place and he wanted to be in a big Market.

[chunnyboy]

he was guilt tripped into opting in, not because his heart was in Orlando, come on now.

He opted in because he was about to be traded to somewhere he didn't want to go.

I've asked people who think this, why didn't he go along with the trade knowing he'd only have to be there for a few months? The only response I've seen is "because Dwight is dumb"... Have a better answer to provide?

clearly, he's demonstrated that he's indecisive, not aware of consequences and ramifications and has no knowledge of the rules... so.. no... just because dwight is dumb

[chunnyboy]

EVERYONE!

Let's get realistic about what Houston will offer and be willing to take back.

First of all, I'm firmly in the camp that Morey will designate Donatas Motiejunas and Royce White as "untouchable." I believe that the package will center around the Toronto pick (which will be somewhere between 8-12 because they'll improve a bit, with the upgrade at PG and C) and one or two of their own picks (or the one which they have rights to switch with NYK) the players offered will be some combination of Lamb Parsons and Jones (i'd also want brockman) - and they'll most likely be taking back (depending on if they amnesty Scola or not) ONE of JRich and Hedo and possibly Duhon as a kicker. We may have to sweeten the deal by throwing in Harper but I think we're all fine with that.

We're NOT getting motiejunas, white AND all the other players. we get a possible top 10 pick, two young and promising NBA starter wings in Lamb and Parsons, a combo forward (they are the future) with a lot of potential in Jones (or this could be Morris - which is a big downgrade and Brockman) and a few mid to late 1st round picks in exchange for Dwight, JRich (I'd prefer if they took him, i think we all do) and possibly Duhon and Harper.

We'll tank the season and possibly enter the 2013 draft with two top 10 picks and the rebuild will officially be underway.

all clear? say aye

Even this is too much unfortunately. People just have to remember it's a one year rental and Dwight just had back surgery. If Dwight was willing to do an extension, there's no doubt the FO could get the same type of deal the Nuggets got for Melo. But he's not, so his value is severely decreased.

Since Henny has basically made it known he doesn't want Bynum by now I think, Houston knows they're the only ones with assets he wants and they're really the only team left in the race (LA still lingers, they'd jump back in if he changes his mind, but they're merely lurking in the shadows at this point) so their offer is going to be low.

I heard a report when the Rockets deal initially started again that Houston was offering K-Mart, Patrick Patterson, the Toronto pick, and one more pick. Morey told Henny to go take the Brooklyn deal if he didn't like it, and Henny balked. Since then they went back to Brooklyn to maybe try to up the ante but at this point I don't see Morey biting too hard. He's not offering anything else but is instead willing to take on one more bad contract

I disagree White is untouchable, I think Lamb is the one who would be untouchable (with K-Mart leaving they have no scoring wings). I think the best deal Henny is looking at is

Toronto 1st round pick
Houston 2017 1st round pick
Kevin Martin
Royce White/Terrance Jones (either one or someone like Parsons)

and then they'd be willing to take on J-Rich, Duhon, and one more bad contract. I don't think Q-Rich is a bad deal but maybe the FO thinks he is

2017? that's a little too far off but as long as that (top3 protected?) toronto pick comes... i actually prefer royce white over lamb so that'd be huge and kevin martin provides cap relief and if we do indeed tank puts us on the fast track to draft shabazz right? shabazz and royce white is gonna be fun

EDIT - btw i don't think that white is lebron-lite like some people (not on this board) in the draft process have suggested, but more like a super athletic and actually in basketball shape version of boris diaw - everyone remembers how good diaw was in '05-'06 right?

[T-Rob]

btw - if the REALISTIC houston-orl trade goes through like i see it - houston could field a pretty damn interesting team on the floor next season- given they make the right PG play for the MLE or something like that... say... a Ramon Sessions type?

Dwight Howard / Jon Leuer
Donatas Motiejunas / Patrick Patterson
Royce White
Kevin Martin / Jason Richardson
Ramon Sessions / Courtney Fortson / Chris Duhon

Depending on how Motiejunas and White fare in their rookie season... that frontcourt MIGHT be just enough to convince Dwight to stay -

I don't think anyone cares, go ask on the rockets forum sounds like that's where you should be anyways.

[Chet Wagner]

2017? that's a little too far off but as long as that (top3 protected?) toronto pick comes... i actually prefer royce white over lamb so that'd be huge and kevin martin provides cap relief and if we do indeed tank puts us on the fast track to draft shabazz right? shabazz and royce white is gonna be fun

Houston can't trade next year's pick if they make the playoffs (which they probably would with Dwight) and they can't trade 2015 either. So 2017 is the earliest they can trade their own pick I believe - since they couldn't find a 1st for Scola

[chunnyboy]

btw - if the REALISTIC houston-orl trade goes through like i see it - houston could field a pretty damn interesting team on the floor next season- given they make the right PG play for the MLE or something like that... say... a Ramon Sessions type?

Dwight Howard / Jon Leuer
Donatas Motiejunas / Patrick Patterson
Royce White
Kevin Martin / Jason Richardson
Ramon Sessions / Courtney Fortson / Chris Duhon

Depending on how Motiejunas and White fare in their rookie season... that frontcourt MIGHT be just enough to convince Dwight to stay -

I don't think anyone cares, go ask on the rockets forum sounds like that's where you should be anyways.

yea i don't know who you are but i've been on this board for over 7 years and anyone who's been around knows where i'm coming from - so i would just be quiet

EDIT - you joined literally 10 days ago? jeezus

[TDJacksonville]

2017? that's a little too far off but as long as that (top3 protected?) toronto pick comes... i actually prefer royce white over lamb so that'd be huge and kevin martin provides cap relief and if we do indeed tank puts us on the fast track to draft shabazz right? shabazz and royce white is gonna be fun

Houston can't trade next year's pick if they make the playoffs (which they probably would with Dwight) and they can't trade 2015 either. So 2017 is the earliest they can trade their own pick I believe - since they couldn't find a 1st for Scola

they cant trade 2016 because?

[InFlames]

he was guilt tripped into opting in, not because his heart was in Orlando, come on now.

He opted in because he was about to be traded to somewhere he didn't want to go.

I've asked people who think this, why didn't he go along with the trade knowing he'd only have to be there for a few months? The only response I've seen is "because Dwight is dumb"... Have a better answer to provide?

Because he wanted to have a run at the playoffs with the Magic, then go where he wanted.

[SloNick Russia]

I believe we turned down 3 draft picks, Martin and Lowry BEFORE the draft, why in a hell should we take less now? If the deal is made I want Lamb and White to be included along with picks

[SolidSnake008]

OT....anyone that's playing 2k on ps3 right now is it me or is it a lot more laggy and slow than usual?

u nd me cant play togethere lol

yeah idk what happened...it was a glitch....i'm not sure if they fixed it yet....but i owe you a game....

[OrlChamps2030]

he was guilt tripped into opting in, not because his heart was in Orlando, come on now.

He opted in because he was about to be traded to somewhere he didn't want to go.

I've asked people who think this, why didn't he go along with the trade knowing he'd only have to be there for a few months? The only response I've seen is "because Dwight is dumb"... Have a better answer to provide?

I too have seen many people who think this, and I have seen your question posed many times too. I have seen the answer to your question many times too, I guess you haven't. He would not have gotten to Brooklyn with his bird rights if he did not opt in last trade deadline. And he would not force his way out of two trades in a four or five month span and be able to salvage any of his image.

I love your optimism that you think Dwight will stay, but it is still not likely. It would be awesome if he did commit and stay, but I don't think it will happen. BUT - it is still good that Brooklyn struck out because resulting from I think Dwight will expand his list of places he will resign in, which is awesome too. Because we will get real value for him.

I prefer a trade with LAL for Bynum, personally. I would not be upset at a trade with Houston. But both are two different routes - rebuilding and retooling. IMO you rebuild when you don't have the option of rebuilding, but I will give Rob a chance if he does choose to rebuild. With that being said though, no one knows the real Houston package.

[pogiro]

Because he wanted to have a run at the playoffs with the Magic, then go where he wanted.

Eh. I just don't buy it. He had to have known how much it'd kill his chances of going to Brooklyn. It wasn't very hard to figure out how it would all play out, even back then. And you know Fegan was hammering it into Dwight's head that he could find himself in the very situation he's in now.

Not one of us knows. And I may be wrong. But it makes more sense to me that he got gunshy at the thought of playing somewhere else. He is attached to Orlando to whatever degree. And all that came tumbling down with Stan hanging him out to dry and his injury excluding him from any playoff run.

Again, I may be wrong. But him not wanting to play somewhere for a couple months before signing with Brooklyn doesn't make much sense to me. Him being guilted into waiving his ETO makes a little more sense, but he can't be guilted into anything if he doesn't care about Orlando or the Magic.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Who is this Lamb you people speak of?