Bucher: Dwight will sue the Magic

Rouk · Post #241 » by **Rouk** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:13 pm

how is the Magic GM showing Howard whos boss Howard is legit hurt atm and could sit out the whole year and the Magic would then get DICK all for him. Sure seems like the Gm is boss :roll:

jonskilly · Post #242 » by **jonskilly** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:18 pm

HurricaneKid wrote:
jonskilly wrote:I am seriously baffled how people are saying Orlando is at the wrong for this. First of all, have there been any confirmed reports that Orlando made any type of promise to Dwight? I've never seen one.

Why should Orlando trade Dwight for pennies on the dollar? Dwight has caused this entire situation where Orlando will not get a trade even close to the asking price. Just because Dwight demands to be traded, while he's under contract, doesn't mean the organization has to cater to him. Orlando is doing what is in their best interest for the short and long term. They've never been on the hot seat. They have plenty of time to make a decision on what to do with him. Rob Hennigan is not going to allow a player under contract to dictate where he should be traded.

Orlando will receive better trade offers before the deadline (or sooner) because the threat of going to NJ isn't there anymore. Orlando will not accept the same Brooklyn proposed trade before the deadline. Brook signing a max deal was icing on the cake.

The only people at fault for this is Dwight and his agent. Had Dwight not signed the opt-in agreement - and then go on to have a press conference telling the city of Orlando and all their fans how he made a bad decision and is happy to be in a Magic uni - he would be a member of the Brooklyn Nets right now.

Dwight needs to fire his agent, and then open his eyes. He has no idea how much he's ruined his image through this whole thing. It's really pathetic.

What? Dwight has an indecisive pain but only because Orlando is trying to leverage him out of his free agency.

He has had people in his ear from Orl making threats, begging forgiveness like a crazed ex. Do you know why Orl had a new team president this year? Because the last one, well over a year ago now, drunk dialed him at 1am, begging him to stay. Look it up. He has never given them any indication he was going to stick around past this year and when management brained him on national TV by telling the coach he was out at Dwight's request he decided that the extra yr he had given them was revoked. The problem is that Orlando can only trade one year of his services and frankly, that's not all that valuable. So they are attempting to trade his future years which they have no claim on. So of course they are going to get less. If they wanted 100 cents on the dollar they should have traded him years ago.

It's a failure in that Orlando is attempting to tread on his impending free agency that there is any real value at all.

Who from Orlando made threats? Is there anything confirmed, or just rumors? I know about the drunk dial, and he's no longer with the organization. Who is "he" when you say he never gave any indication he would stay past this year? Do you mean Dwight? So then why did he opt-in? This would have been avoided if he did not opt in, finish the season, and part ways with the Magic. But he didn't do that, and now he has to suffer the consequences (if that's what you want to call them) and finish the year with Orlando, or open his options. Dwight to Brooklyn is dead. Dwight will have to sign with SOMEONE, and perhaps no one knows who that someone will be - but I guarantee you teams will make good offers to gamble on getting him to sign a new agreement with said team.

New_sacred_cow · Post #243 » by **New_sacred_cow** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:18 pm

I would trade him to the Bobcats or Raptors now just to piss him off.

jonskilly · Post #244 » by **jonskilly** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:19 pm

Rouk wrote:how is the Magic GM showing Howard whos boss Howard is legit hurt atm and could sit out the whole year and the Magic would then get DICK all for him. Sure seems like the Gm is boss

Otis Smith, prior GM, would have catered to Dwight and send him to Brooklyn.
Rob Hennigan did not like the trade offers, and did not cater to Dwight.
It's not like we're past the trade deadline. Hennigan has 6+ months to strike a deal.

Rouk · Post #245 » by **Rouk** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:27 pm

jonskilly wrote:
Rouk wrote:how is the Magic GM showing Howard whos boss Howard is legit hurt atm and could sit out the whole year and the Magic would then get DICK all for him. Sure seems like the Gm is boss

Otis Smith, prior GM, would have catered to Dwight and send him to Brooklyn.
Rob Hennigan did not like the trade offers, and did not cater to Dwight.
It's not like we're past the trade deadline. Hennigan has 6+ months to strike a deal.

I disagree with the premise that he has 6 months to strike a deal. Dwight could of very well been thinking if they don't trade me by the start of the season I'll sit out the 1st half with my back rehab. If this happens the Magic will end up with nothing and look like fools.

jonskilly · Post #246 » by **jonskilly** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:33 pm

Rouk wrote:I disagree with the premise that he has 6 months to strike a deal. Dwight could of very well been thinking if they don't trade me by the start of the season I'll sit out the 1st half with my back rehab. If this happens the Magic will end up with nothing and look like fools.

Technically, he does have 6+ months to strike a deal. That doesn't mean he will or will not.

If you ask most Magic fans, they rather have him walk for nothing than to take on the Nets deal. You obviously want to get something for him, but in this case, nothing might end up being better than that package.

6_Rings · Post #247 » by **6_Rings** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:35 pm

I hope they let him rot on the bench nxt season.

bigpimpatl · Post #248 » by **bigpimpatl** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:41 pm

6_Rings wrote:I hope they let him rot on the bench nxt season.

Howard doesn't have the balls to play and get booed by his own fans. He'll be rehabbing his back in LA or something.

Death Knight · Post #249 » by **Death Knight** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm

As long as Dwight is a Magic, they will not trade him. The Magic are too pussy scared to trade him. How many times over the past 1.5 years has a Dwight deal been reported to be close, only to see nothing? I've lost count. If they were to be serious about trading him, they would have traded him a long time ago. Even the Melo rumours didn't drag on this long. I've been calling the Magic's bluff for a while now. They might be talking to teams about trades, but they have 0 intentions and commitment during those discussions to make it happen. They're just pretending like they're actually trying to trade him by talking to teams, but they're really not.

Dwight is also a pussy. If he didn't opt in, there wouldn't be any of this. Was there really blackmailing going on?

meatwad4343 · Post #250 » by **meatwad4343** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:57 pm

Rouk wrote:how is the Magic GM showing Howard whos boss Howard is legit hurt atm and could sit out the whole year and the Magic would then get DICK all for him. Sure seems like the Gm is boss

because DICK is better than Brook Lopez on a max deal.

HurricaneKid · Post #251 » by **HurricaneKid** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:01 pm

jonskilly wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:
jonskilly wrote:I am seriously baffled how people are saying Orlando is at the wrong for this. First of all, have there been any confirmed reports that Orlando made any type of promise to Dwight? I've never seen one.

Why should Orlando trade Dwight for pennies on the dollar? Dwight has caused this entire situation where Orlando will not get a trade even close to the asking price. Just because Dwight demands to be traded, while he's under contract, doesn't mean the organization has to cater to him. Orlando is doing what is in their best interest for the short and long term. They've never been on the hot seat. They have plenty of time to make a decision on what to do with him. Rob Hennigan is not going to allow a player under contract to dictate where he should be traded.

Orlando will receive better trade offers before the deadline (or sooner) because the threat of going to NJ isn't there anymore. Orlando will not accept the same Brooklyn proposed trade before the deadline. Brook signing a max deal was icing on the cake.

The only people at fault for this is Dwight and his agent. Had Dwight not signed the opt-in agreement - and then go on to have a press conference telling the city of Orlando and all their fans how he made a bad decision and is happy to be in a Magic uni - he would be a member of the Brooklyn Nets right now.

Dwight needs to fire his agent, and then open his eyes. He has no idea how much he's ruined his image through this whole thing. It's really pathetic.

What? Dwight has an indecisive pain but only because Orlando is trying to leverage him out of his free agency.

He has had people in his ear from Orl making threats, begging forgiveness like a crazed ex. Do you know why Orl had a new team president this year? Because the last one, well over a year ago now, drunk dialed him at 1am, begging him to stay. Look it up. He has never given them any indication he was going to stick around past this year and when management brained him on national TV by telling the coach he was out at Dwight's request he decided that the extra yr he had given them was revoked. The problem is that Orlando can only trade one year of his services and frankly, that's not all that valuable. So they are attempting to trade his future years which they have no claim on. So of course they are going to get less. If they wanted 100 cents on the dollar they should have traded him years ago.

It's a failure in that Orlando is attempting to tread on his impending free agency that there is any real value at all.

Who from Orlando made threats? Is there anything confirmed, or just rumors? I know about the drunk dial, and he's no longer with the organization. Who is "he" when you say he never gave any indication he would stay past this year? Do you mean Dwight? So then why did he opt-in? This would have been avoided if he did not opt in, finish the season, and part ways with the Magic. But he didn't do that, and now he has to suffer the consequences (if that's what you want to call them) and finish the year with Orlando, or open his options. Dwight to Brooklyn is dead. Dwight will have to sign with SOMEONE, and perhaps no one knows who that someone will be - but I guarantee you teams will make good offers to gamble on getting him to sign a new agreement with said team.

I will never understand why he opted in. It's the only thing in this mess that made no sense. But Dwight and his agent have both said they made threats and given the difficulty of this contract negotiation it makes a ton of sense that they would have.

When he opted in they were the 3 seed and matched up well against Mia and he wanted to take a run at the playoffs. Orlando begged him for another year to put a team around him and he gave it to them. Then mgmt blew the whole thing up when they told SVG what he said behind closed doors. I mean they begged him to stay for years and asked him what they could do to get him to stay another betrayed that confidence. Then the jilted coach took it public, proving once and for all that Orl mgmt was laughable.

This is really the first time he has ever gotten to choose his team. Why is it his responsibility to blow up the next team to satiate such a flawed franchise and reward Orl mgmt for its ineptitude.

He tried to do what DWill did and that's to say "I'll make that decision when I am a FA" but was never allowed to leave it at that. He is giving up his Bird Rights bonuses (5th yr and 3% extra raise) so his next team doesn't have to gut itself on his behalf. And there is nothing Orl can or should be able to do it.

Why should a team reap rewards for trading someone it doesn't have under contract? All Dwight is doing is making sure that's what they are getting.

Say what you will about the lousy package NJ had on the table. I really don't think they are going to get any more than that for him. Who knows, maybe Dal takes a run at CP3 and Dwight next offseason. Does Hou really want to give their future up so he can go to their rival and they can be without draft picks for years?

Why does everyone seem to think he owes his next contract to Orl? He told them a year plus ago where he wanted to go and that original package looks pretty sweet now. Orl wouldn't make a deal so Dwight has to try again? Hello no.

jonskilly · Post #252 » by **jonskilly** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:02 pm

Death Knight wrote:As long as Dwight is a Magic, they will not trade him. The Magic are too pussy scared to trade him. How many times over the past 1.5 years has a Dwight deal been reported to be close, only to see nothing? I've lost count. If they were to be serious about trading him, they would have traded him a long time ago. Even the Melo rumours didn't drag on this long. I've been calling the Magic's bluff for a while now. They might be talking to teams about trades, but they have 0 intentions and commitment during those discussions to make it happen. They're just pretending like they're actually trying to trade him by talking to teams, but they're really not.

Dwight is also a pussy. If he didn't opt in, there wouldn't be any of this. Was there really blackmailing going on?

I agree, but don't forget there has been new management in charge for the last month.

jonskilly · Post #253 » by **jonskilly** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:05 pm

HurricaneKid wrote:Why does everyone seem to think he owes his next contract to Orl? He told them a year plus ago where he wanted to go and that original package looks pretty sweet now. Orl wouldn't make a deal so Dwight has to try again? Hello no.

I don't think anyone is saying he owes his next contract to Orlando. He does, however, owe the remaining part of his contract to Orlando.

mcfly1204 · Post #254 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:37 pm

Dwight showing his true colors more and more...

SternSucks · Post #255 » by **SternSucks** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:40 pm

Rouk wrote:how is the Magic GM showing Howard whos boss

He's not in Brooklyn

sunskerr · Post #256 » by **sunskerr** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:42 pm

>17 pages of discussion
>no credible sources on topic

never change, realgm. never change.

KrazySixersD · Post #257 » by **KrazySixersD** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:44 pm

been calling what a pathetic bum howard is since about 4 years ago.... not even i could predict that he would stoop to this level of patheticness...

dude is a joke

HurricaneKid · Post #258 » by **HurricaneKid** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:44 pm

jonskilly wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:Why does everyone seem to think he owes his next contract to Orl? He told them a year plus ago where he wanted to go and that original package looks pretty sweet now. Orl wouldn't make a deal so Dwight has to try again? Hello no.

I don't think anyone is saying he owes his next contract to Orlando. He does, however, owe the remaining part of his contract to Orlando.

He has one year left. And he just had back surgery and could be out for a while and is paid 18m for this one year. THAT is worth more than a massive salary dump, 3 #1 picks and one of the only two centers in the league to avg >20ppg in the last 4 years? No, what they are trading is the equity of his next contract. And Dwight doesn't owe them that.

Jameslm18 · Post #259 » by **Jameslm18** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:46 pm

jonskilly wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:Why does everyone seem to think he owes his next contract to Orl? He told them a year plus ago where he wanted to go and that original package looks pretty sweet now. Orl wouldn't make a deal so Dwight has to try again? Hello no.

I don't think anyone is saying he owes his next contract to Orlando. He does, however, owe the remaining part of his contract to Orlando.

Is shaheen suspended? Haha

tiderulz · Post #260 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:48 pm

HurricaneKid wrote:
He has one year left. And he just had back surgery and could be out for a while and is paid 18m for this one year. THAT is worth more than a massive salary dump, 3 #1 picks and one of the only two centers in the league to avg >20ppg in the last 4 years? No, what they are trading is the equity of his next contract. And Dwight doesn't owe them that.

i think you mean Lopez only avg 20ppg once in the past 4 years, as the #1 option. Lamarcus Aldridge avg 20+ppg the past 2 years. Bynum would if he was not the 3rd option on his team. Bargnani avg 20+ppg the same year that Lopez did.