Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXVII Off-Season Edition)

InFlames · Post #281 » by **InFlames** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:49 pm

nyjazz wrote:Does not really look good for Magic. It seems that Hennigan overplayed his hand, asked for too much and the Nets walked, leaving the Lakers and Rockets in drivers seat, not Hennigan. So Houston and Lakers step back a bit, as there are no other suitors for now. But if it is true and Howard maintains he won't extend with them, I don't see why Lakers would trade away pieces of possibly a championship team without confirmation that Howard will sign. Houston might be willing to take the chance - what do they really have to lose? In either case, Hennigan has completely lost all leverage. Which is why he now is crawling back to Howard and asking him to stay. I doubt that the Nets are offering much come Jan. Hennigan should have taken the best offer available, the offers will only get worse from hereon.

Letting Dwight walk is better than what we would get from the Nets. That trade would have gone down as one of the worst in history.

Post #282 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:51 pm

John Denton ‏@JohnDenton555
My experience is 90% of the "source" stories out now are leaks from agents. Sometimes the player and agent aren't on same page.#Grainofsalt

woosah · Post #283 » by **woosah** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:51 pm

Where is this coming from that the Nets walked away after a counter offer? What counter offer? That's bull. Nets gave a deadline yesterday because of Lopez agent wanting his client signed.

Noonskadoodle · Post #284 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:51 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:I had little respect for Bucher before today, but he might be the dumbest tool on ESPN.

Saying the Rockets don't offer cap space, draft picks, or talent is like saying 1+2=4. Just a completely off base contradiction to facts.

He's the Ping of ESPN. Dude is a clown.

mhectorgato · Post #285 » by **mhectorgato** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:54 pm

Noonskadoodle wrote:
VGOSWAMI wrote:I had little respect for Bucher before today, but he might be the dumbest tool on ESPN.

Saying the Rockets don't offer cap space, draft picks, or talent is like saying 1+2=4. Just a completely off base contradiction to facts.

He's the Ping of ESPN. Dude is a clown.

arkknight1988 · Post #286 » by **arkknight1988** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:01 pm

bonanz wrote:houston looking to do with dwight what the nets did with deron. magic aren't trying to convince dwight to stay, that's fegan trying to salvage any bit of dwights likability and smear the magic cause he's pissed his years of shadiness and facilitating tampering to get dwight to bk just didn't work out.

it worked for the nets. why wouldn't it work for houston

ThatFloridaDude · Post #287 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:04 pm

Chet Wagner wrote:
pogiro wrote:
And the team has changed, we just don't know how. We lost Anderson, and drafted Nicholson. I've seen enough of him now to say he has a chance to be special. And if he turns heads, especially Dwight's, then a lot can be changed.

You seriously think a rookie playing in a couple summer league games has the potential to change his mind? You think he's going to chance his future on this guy?

Good god man

Plus losing Ryno is a negative to team perception, not a positive

Ryan Anderson not being here is a plus for the Magic and him.

ThatFloridaDude · Post #288 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:05 pm

T-Rob wrote:
nyjazz wrote:Does not really look good for Magic. It seems that Hennigan overplayed his hand, asked for too much and the Nets walked, leaving the Lakers and Rockets in drivers seat, not Hennigan. So Houston and Lakers step back a bit, as there are no other suitors for now. But if it is true and Howard maintains he won't extend with them, I don't see why Lakers would trade away pieces of possibly a championship team without confirmation that Howard will sign. Houston might be willing to take the chance - what do they really have to lose? In either case, Hennigan has completely lost all leverage. Which is why he now is crawling back to Howard and asking him to stay. I doubt that the Nets are offering much come Jan. Hennigan should have taken the best offer available, the offers will only get worse from hereon.

Glad Hennigan is running the show and not you.. Wow.

haha agreed T Rob

Orlando Tragic · Post #289 » by **Orlando Tragic** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:06 pm

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: Last in a series. OKC. Deep Thunder rent him in best title shot try for Harden/Perkins or /Ibaka/Maynor/Perk scenario

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: Houston..Rockets will sell souls to land him as rental, and can take bad Magic contracts. Plus he can walk to free agency

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: Nets...Brooklyn can revisit trade in January with Magic, which would mean Dwight would start season in ORL. Comical

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: Chicago. It's DRose's town and team. Bulls would have to offer Noah, LDeng and TGibson or combo thereof.

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: N.Y. Knicks would offer Tyson Chandler and change, but NY out of assets unless it's a 3-way. Chandler still owed $42m.

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: L.A. The other L.A. team, the Clippers. Straight-up trade for Blake Griffin now would pair Dwight and Chris Paul.

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: L.A. He hates following Shaq and being 2nd banana to Kobe. But Nash is there, and in 2 yrs., Dwight will own Hollywood

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Dwight's choices: Orlando. Oh, wouldn't deciding to sign an extension just beat all after this circus? Magic want him back if he's all in

Brian K. Schmitz‏@MagicInsider
Where does Dwight go now that the Nets are no longer an option? Welcome to my 140-character series on Twitter... Here we go

BelgianMagic · Post #290 » by **BelgianMagic** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:11 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Allegedly, Nets made an offer and the Magic counter-offered of which the Nets said no.

jadewbj · Post #291 » by **jadewbj** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:12 pm

If we let dwight walk at the end of this season we can buy out Duhon (not that much of a cap killer), trade J Rich (should be able to find someone looking for him at end of season) and that leaves Hedo as our only bad contract. He could possibly be moved at the end of the season since only part of his last year is guaranteed.

You suck the next year and begin the rebuild. All the trade does is make the rebuild 1 year shorter.

Post #292 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:15 pm

Brian K. Schmitz ‏@MagicInsider
So a trade is coming before camp. Matter now where Magic can get best deal for Dwight, likely between LAL and HOU. Is there a mystery guest?

Brian K. Schmitz ‏@MagicInsider
Of course Dwight rejected Magic offer to return. It's personal, and he wants a fresh start after the never-ending mess in Orlando

ThatFloridaDude · Post #293 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:16 pm

Chad Evans ‏@ChadEvansNBA
Source believes DeVos is still in "win now" mode which is slowing up this trade process.
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#Rockets will take Hedo, Duhon, and J-Rich from the Magic if they can come to an agreement
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Source believes the #Magic are hoping to get both Bynum and Gasol from LA. #Lakers aren't budging (yet?)

Damn. Houston looks to be front runner. I'd rather have L.A. package.

Nyce_1 · Post #294 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:16 pm

FWIW:

Chad Evans @ChadEvansNBA
Source confirms #Rockets willing to amnesty Scola if they can come to a trade agreement with #Magic

Chad Evans @ChadEvansNBA
Source believes the #Magic are hoping to get both Bynuma nd Gasol from LA. #Lakers aren't budging (yet?)

Chad Evans @ChadEvansNBA
#Rockets will take Hedo, Duhon, and J-Rich from the Magic if they can come to an agreement

Chad Evans @ChadEvansNBA
Source believes DeVos is still in "win now" mode which is slowing up this trade process

Post #295 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:17 pm

If we got Gasol AND Bynum, pull the trigger and call it a day.

Gasol can always be traded for valuable assets.

ThatFloridaDude · Post #296 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:18 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:If we got Gasol AND Bynum, pull the trigger and call it a day.

Gasol can always be traded for valuable assets.

Exactly. Thats the trade you pull the trigger on without hesitation.

Post #297 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:19 pm

DeVos old ass will never let us get rookies lol

Post #298 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:19 pm

Also, pretty sure he's a fake twitter. Do not post him.

Nyce_1 · Post #299 » by **Nyce_1** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:20 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:If we got Gasol AND Bynum, pull the trigger and call it a day.

Gasol can always be traded for valuable assets.

Sources say that is the plan, but LA isn't budging (yet). I wonder what's the internal deadline to make something happen?

rcklsscognition · Post #300 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:20 pm

I'd take anything. Bynum and Gasol at this point feels like a steal. Getting rid of everything in Houston also very appealing. There's no way they give up that much and that's on the table during this whole BKN mess. It must be true that Henny had to negotiate with BKN just to show Dwight he was trying. Then he asked for extension, Dwight refused, now he goes in for the kill.