Howard Thread III (Howard ready to join Lakers p.68)

The Skyhook · Post #221 » by **The Skyhook** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:00 pm

I just don't understand why Houston is willing to take such a gamble. After seeing Dwight being a complete diva in Orlando, one would think that he would eventually do the same to Houston. He isn't going to compete for a championship in Houston during that first season so I don't see him having much of a reason to stay. A trade to Houston will only prolong the Dwightmare meanwhile I see this whole thing coming to an end if he is traded to the Lakers. Dwight will have a great shot at competing for a championship and I don't know too many superstars that just walk away from that.

Post #222 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:04 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
LateRoundFlyer wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:why are some of us still discussing this as if Orlando is the one making the call when it's the Lakers that have issues with his back? did I miss something?

Let's think about this for a minute here: who is on the market here, Bynum or Howard? Howard right? Which team does he currently play for? The Magic, right?

But yet you make it sound like the Lakers are the ones who decide where Howard ends up? Please...

ORL may like a deal with LA, but we're by no means the frontrunner despite whatever the local media reports. ORL may like Bynum, but he isn't exactly free of concerns.

You bring up Howard's back? Ask yourself this: would the Lakers even be linked to trade talks this long if they thought it was that big of an issue? Especially, if as you suggest, they are firmly in the driver's seat during these negotiations?

I'll give you a hint: it's more about leverage than it is legitimate health reasons. Raising further questions about Howard's injury effectively lowers his trade value, and thus whatever haul he may command. It is no different than what ORL is doing by expressing doubts of Bynum's knees.

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I think you misunderstood my post. I am not saying that the Lakers control where DHo is gonna end up. what I meant is that the last report with some teeth that I heard was that the Lakers had issues with his back and that was the reason why the deal wasn't made. since then I have not read anything concrete to suggest that the Lakers have changed their minds and now want to make the deal, but Orlando is stalling (weighing in on other offers because the Lakers no longer care about his back). I haven't been to active on the board since Saturday so that's why I am asking if I missed anything.

do we have official reports that the Lakers don't care about his back? or are we just assuming that the Lakers don't care and want to make a deal?

Even if the back is ok he's going to miss some early season it sounds like so it's like a compressed season learning curve for him and also for his teammates to adjust to playing with him. I know the likelihood is he comes back and is good by playoffs with the team, but if you slid down and didn't get home court advantage because he was gone early or because of the adjustment period It could cost you a title run and we don't have a year to mess around with the age of 3 of our 4 stars.

Chet Wagner · Post #223 » by **Chet Wagner** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:06 pm

The Skyhook wrote:I just don't understand why Houston is willing to take such a gamble. After seeing Dwight being a complete diva in Orlando, one would think that he would eventually do the same to Houston. He isn't going to compete for a championship in Houston during that first season so I don't see him having much of a reason to stay. A trade to Houston will only prolong the Dwightmare meanwhile I see this whole thing coming to an end if he is traded to the Lakers. Dwight will have a great shot at competing for a championship and I don't know too many superstars that just walk away from that.

Morey really has no choice. If he goes into the season with all those young pieces he's screwed, so he really has to make a move

Gotta remember Morey is really fighting for his job here, if he misplays this he's very well done in Houston

Stebo_SSK · Post #224 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:28 pm

Chet Wagner wrote:
The Skyhook wrote:I just don't understand why Houston is willing to take such a gamble. After seeing Dwight being a complete diva in Orlando, one would think that he would eventually do the same to Houston. He isn't going to compete for a championship in Houston during that first season so I don't see him having much of a reason to stay. A trade to Houston will only prolong the Dwightmare meanwhile I see this whole thing coming to an end if he is traded to the Lakers. Dwight will have a great shot at competing for a championship and I don't know too many superstars that just walk away from that.

Morey really has no choice. If he goes into the season with all those young pieces he's screwed, so he really has to make a move

Gotta remember Morey is really fighting for his job here, if he misplays this he's very well done in Houston

Those young pieces would be going to Orlando. Atleast 2 out of the 3. They could really be mortgaging some good talent for a year and boom he is gone. So you talking probably 2/3 of the rookies they drafted this year and their own pick next year and Toronto's pick

Chet Wagner · Post #225 » by **Chet Wagner** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:39 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:
Chet Wagner wrote:
The Skyhook wrote:I just don't understand why Houston is willing to take such a gamble. After seeing Dwight being a complete diva in Orlando, one would think that he would eventually do the same to Houston. He isn't going to compete for a championship in Houston during that first season so I don't see him having much of a reason to stay. A trade to Houston will only prolong the Dwightmare meanwhile I see this whole thing coming to an end if he is traded to the Lakers. Dwight will have a great shot at competing for a championship and I don't know too many superstars that just walk away from that.

Morey really has no choice. If he goes into the season with all those young pieces he's screwed, so he really has to make a move

Gotta remember Morey is really fighting for his job here, if he misplays this he's very well done in Houston

Those young pieces would be going to Orlando. Atleast 2 out of the 3. They could really be mortgaging some good talent for a year and boom he is gone. So you talking probably 2/3 of the rookies they drafted this year and their own pick next year and Toronto's pick

I'm saying he's screwed either way. If he makes the trade then Dwight probably walks and he's left without those young assets, but if he doesn't make the move then he goes into the season with that young team and is the 10 seed..basically staying the same as previous years.

Stebo_SSK · Post #226 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:57 pm

Which is where LA comes in with the offer for Bynum. Its probably going to end up being a 3way trade if he is moved to LA. A 3 way is a win for all 3 parties. I think Houston would probably get the short end of the stick b/c they would be giving up picks intended for D12 but would secure Bynum who is more likely to resign.

Chet Wagner · Post #227 » by **Chet Wagner** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:19 pm

I think the Lakers would be really foolish to make that trade. Giving Bynum (someone who will likely be better than Dwight in 2 years) up to a team in the West could easily come back to haunt you. Not to mention you'd be giving him to McHale - Bynum being mentored by the greatest post player of all-time..a very scary thought.

Dwight has made it very clear he does not want to be in LA. If I was the Lakers I would drop out and start trying to repair the damaged relationship with Bynum

Sofa King · Post #228 » by **Sofa King** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:22 pm

Chet Wagner wrote:If I was the Lakers I would drop out and start trying to repair the damaged relationship with Bynum

Who said there's any damaged relationship with Bynum?

The Laker Kid · Post #229 » by **The Laker Kid** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:23 pm

F*** Dwight.. I read in another thread that Houston might amnesty Scola to make space for D-Ho. I think we should just get Scola!!

Stebo_SSK · Post #230 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:26 pm

Chet Wagner wrote:I think the Lakers would be really foolish to make that trade. Giving Bynum (someone who will likely be better than Dwight in 2 years) up to a team in the West could easily come back to haunt you. Not to mention you'd be giving him to McHale - Bynum being mentored by the greatest post player of all-time..a very scary thought.

Dwight has made it very clear he does not want to be in LA. If I was the Lakers I would drop out and start trying to repair the damaged relationship with Bynum

How is Bynum likely to be better than Howard 2 years from now? What evidence do you have to back up this lame assertion? Howard was better than Bynum is when he was 21-22 years old. Unless his back has really changed his game then dont expect Bynum to ever be better than Howard. He is better than Bynum in every single category outside of FT shooting. Bynum has been mentored by Kareem for the past 3 seasons and it hasnt made him a dangerous post player. This notion that Bynum is a skilled post player was created out of the thought that Howard is a horrible one. Howard doesnt have the greatest moves or post game but he is still a more efficient post player than Bynum and can handle double teams too. Lets not even get started with his impact on D which Bynum has clearly shown he isnt on that level.

loveshaq786 · Post #231 » by **loveshaq786** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:27 pm

I really think we need to skip out on howard for now and concentrate on trading with houston directly... bynum or gasol.... they have some real assests there

I would love to trade Gasol for Motiejunas, Kevin Martin, Jermy Lamb and/or Peterson.... try to steal a pick or 2, lol

This Motiejunas guy is a legit 7 footer that can shoot, is young and can play. And we will have so much space in the summer. Lamb and/or Peterson will be great off the bench and can develop into special talents that can start in the future.

If Orlando comes around the corner, they would be forced to trade with us only, because we now have the massive expiring contract of K-MART.... Maybe a bynum and k-mart... for Dwight and jj reddick?

Even if that doesn't go down, in the off season we can make a real splash, while competing right now. I am one of the few that would prefer to trade bynum's inconsistent a$$, rather than gasol's but financially, gasol has to go.

Lemme hear what y'all gots to say

Stebo_SSK · Post #232 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:34 pm

No one on Houston's roster is as close as good or will make LA as good as Bynum does now. You do realize Nash is a very short term move? Why on earth would you make a trade that makes ur team worse? Especially when a Gasol/Nash combo is supposed to be so dangerous in PnR. Jeremy Lamb? U kidding me? Patrick Patterson? A 12 million dollar Kevin Martin?

loveshaq786 · Post #233 » by **loveshaq786** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:39 pm

I think you are undervaluing Kevin Martin.... what makes Kevin Martin valuable is his HUGE "12 million dollar" contract.... that is off our books this year.... and more over we will have the most leverage in trading for dwight....

dwight is not going to stay in orlando.... whether in a few days or a couple months, his days are numbered....

If we do this trade, what will houston trade to swallow Dwights contract???... Luis Scola?... they dont have contracts to match Dwight's incoming salary

Chet Wagner · Post #234 » by **Chet Wagner** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:40 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:
How is Bynum likely to be better than Howard 2 years from now? What evidence do you have to back up this lame assertion? Howard was better than Bynum is when he was 21-22 years old. Unless his back has really changed his game then dont expect Bynum to ever be better than Howard. He is better than Bynum in every single category outside of FT shooting. Bynum has been mentored by Kareem for the past 3 seasons and it hasnt made him a dangerous post player. This notion that Bynum is a skilled post player was created out of the thought that Howard is a horrible one. Howard doesnt have the greatest moves or post game but he is still a more efficient post player than Bynum and can handle double teams too. Lets not even get started with his impact on D which Bynum has clearly shown he isnt on that level.

Bynum not a dangerous post player..good god.

loveshaq786 · Post #235 » by **loveshaq786** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:42 pm

with dwight/bynum in the post.... Motiejunas will be special... granted his IQ is not as good as Gasol's, but he can shoot. He is already being compared to Dirk and Bargnani, I think he is only 19 years old.

And since you obviously don't agree with the proposal of trading gasol... how do you suppose we take care of our financial situation for the future while gathering young talent?

Post #236 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:43 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:I would love to trade Gasol for Motiejunas, Kevin Martin, Jermy Lamb and/or Peterson.... try to steal a pick or 2, lol

ballboys

Post #237 » by **Kilroy** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:51 pm

Pau's value to us went through the roof when we signed Nash...
Whether it's premature or imaginary or not, everyone is anticipating Pau and Nash being one of the better PnR pairings in the league... We'll see if it works out.

But I firmly believe Mitch's assertion that Pau is off the block.

We were basically looking to get change for him anyway... Yes he's old, yes he's slowed down a bit, but he's in the perfect situation for him here in LA not having to carry that much of the load, so we might as well roll with him and see how it works.

Sofa King · Post #238 » by **Sofa King** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:52 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:If Orlando comes around the corner, they would be forced to trade with us only, because we now have the massive expiring contract of K-MART.... Maybe a bynum and k-mart... for Dwight and jj reddick?

So we trade Gasol to get Kevin Martin then trade him with Bynum to get Dwight and Reddick. :roll:

If Orlando wanted Kevin Martin, which I am sure they don't, they could just go to Houston and gotten a better deal with picks and cap relief... just like what Hennigan has been looking for.

Michael Lucky · Post #239 » by **Michael Lucky** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:06 pm

enough of this, let's just keep Bynum and try what we can to help out that bench.

Stebo_SSK · Post #240 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:26 pm

Chet Wagner wrote:
Stebo_SSK wrote:
How is Bynum likely to be better than Howard 2 years from now? What evidence do you have to back up this lame assertion? Howard was better than Bynum is when he was 21-22 years old. Unless his back has really changed his game then dont expect Bynum to ever be better than Howard. He is better than Bynum in every single category outside of FT shooting. Bynum has been mentored by Kareem for the past 3 seasons and it hasnt made him a dangerous post player. This notion that Bynum is a skilled post player was created out of the thought that Howard is a horrible one. Howard doesnt have the greatest moves or post game but he is still a more efficient post player than Bynum and can handle double teams too. Lets not even get started with his impact on D which Bynum has clearly shown he isnt on that level.

Bynum not a dangerous post player..good god.

Dangerous and good are 2 totally different things. Is Bynum good? Yes! Is Bynum possibly in the top 20 players? Debatable! Is Bynum is a great post player No. Most of what Bynum succeeds at is his size and strength and lack of defensive centers at his position. When Bynum goes up against a player that makes him work he looks VERY average.