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Marcus Stroman - future role

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Marcus Stroman

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Marcus Stroman - future role 

Post#1 » by number15 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:33 pm

Marcus Stroman was a steal by the JAYS this draft and in my opinion u dont make ur 22nd overall steal a relief pitcher before u even see him as a starter.... which is rumored to be happening. Stroman to the JAYS bullpen just to get him into the MLB, maybe even this season

Stroman should be groomed a starter... if he fails say, 2-3 years down the road, make him a relief pitcher than.

putting him on relief seems like such a waste.... unless its only short term
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Post#2 » by dagger » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:24 pm

number15 wrote:Marcus Stroman was a steal by the JAYS this draft and in my opinion u dont make ur 22nd overall steal a relief pitcher before u even see him as a starter.... which is rumored to be happening. Stroman to the JAYS bullpen just to get him into the MLB, maybe even this season

Stroman should be groomed a starter... if he fails say, 2-3 years down the road, make him a relief pitcher than.

putting him on relief seems like such a waste.... unless its only short term


He may be starter material, but given the state of our pen the past few years and all of the money spent on washed up vets like Frankie Francisco, John Rauch and Francisco Cordero, it's probably time to invest a bit more in the organic growth of bullpen talent. Stroman may not be the one for this, maybe he should be groomed as a starter, but this organization should take the development of relievers more seriously. Some very good organizations allocate fairly high draft choices to relief work from the get-go.
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Re: Marcus Stroman - future role 

Post#3 » by number15 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:43 pm

Picking someone so high with the expectation that he will be a relief pitcher is just plain stupid... unless u r getting a college superstar closer, of course, which rarely happens.

I say u make all ur high picks try starting and if they fall over the years u make the relief pitchers... just like how Casey Jannsen was converter from starter to relief role

Stroman should be a starter... if he screws his opportunity then make him a reliever... simple as that
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Post#4 » by baulderdash77 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:55 pm

Fastest way to the majors to get value. Get him up in middle relief this season. He doesn't have the kind of durable frame to start for long. Besides we have a bunch of guys in A ball who project better.

Maybe he can be a premier high leverage reliever this year and future closer.
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Post#5 » by limegameboy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:45 pm

He'lll be our Mariano.
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Post#6 » by RapsFanInVA » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:21 pm

I want him in the bullpen because I have no faith in AA signing proper bullpen arms in free agency.
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Post#7 » by kwamebargnani » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:43 pm

Most of shut down relievers started their career as starters. I'm amazed how many people voted for reliever. This is a no brainer.
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Post#8 » by BigLeagueChew » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:52 pm

kwamebargnani wrote:Most of shut down relievers started their career as starters. I'm amazed how many people voted for reliever. This is a no brainer.


Bullpen this year, maybe a starter next year. We can't keep getting young pitchers and having them throw more innings then they're used to or unknowingly capable of.
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Post#9 » by wazabifuzz » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:12 pm

I say that he shouldn't be just rushed to the bigs just because everyone thinks he should. We should still go the trade route at this point I think. none of the AAA pitchers are good enough to pitch in relief.. maybe only Chad Beck. there's starters in AA and A ball but they are probably not ready for prime time yet.
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Post#10 » by dagger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:37 pm

A believe Stroman is making his debut tonight in Vancouver.
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Post#11 » by Hamyltowne » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:26 pm

dagger wrote:He may be starter material, but given the state of our pen the past few years and all of the money spent on washed up vets like Frankie Francisco, John Rauch and Francisco Cordero, it's probably time to invest a bit more in the organic growth of bullpen talent. Stroman may not be the one for this, maybe he should be groomed as a starter, but this organization should take the development of relievers more seriously. Some very good organizations allocate fairly high draft choices to relief work from the get-go.


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Post#12 » by dagger » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:48 pm

Hamyltowne wrote:
dagger wrote:He may be starter material, but given the state of our pen the past few years and all of the money spent on washed up vets like Frankie Francisco, John Rauch and Francisco Cordero, it's probably time to invest a bit more in the organic growth of bullpen talent. Stroman may not be the one for this, maybe he should be groomed as a starter, but this organization should take the development of relievers more seriously. Some very good organizations allocate fairly high draft choices to relief work from the get-go.


The bullpen is for fungible assets—not investments.


And it's precisely that kind of attitude that results in the Jays having a crappy pen year after year at a time when some playoff-bound teams can point to the work of good young relievers who were put in that role from Day 1.

If your system had a dearth of potential starters, I'd see the point but ours is loaded and it's clear we have the depth to walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Post#13 » by jalenrose#5 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:44 pm

Stroman got pumped tonight giving up 3 ER on 3 H in 0.2 IP with a BB sprinkled in there. The Canadians ended up scoring 8 runs shortly after and won the game 12-11..lol
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Post#14 » by -MetA4- » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:53 pm

jalenrose#5 wrote:Stroman got pumped tonight giving up 3 ER on 3 H in 0.2 IP with a BB sprinkled in there.


He gave up a bloop opposite field single, a weak opposite field flyball that fell for a hit, and a weak "hit" to the shortstop that was mis-fielded. Control was off but it shows how meaningless stats can be, especially in the lower minors. A guy from ProSportsDaily uploaded vids of every one of his at-bats fro last night:

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Post#15 » by Moxie » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:34 pm

Man, that channel is great! Low quality, but it's my first time seeing Stroman, Sanchez, Syndergaard and Nicolino from a typical TV angle.

First impressions: Syndergaard is a big boy.
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Re: Marcus Stroman - future role 

Post#16 » by joseph235 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 am

dagger wrote:
Hamyltowne wrote:
dagger wrote:He may be starter material, but given the state of our pen the past few years and all of the money spent on washed up vets like Frankie Francisco, John Rauch and Francisco Cordero, it's probably time to invest a bit more in the organic growth of bullpen talent. Stroman may not be the one for this, maybe he should be groomed as a starter, but this organization should take the development of relievers more seriously. Some very good organizations allocate fairly high draft choices to relief work from the get-go.


The bullpen is for fungible assets—not investments.


And it's precisely that kind of attitude that results in the Jays having a crappy pen year after year at a time when some playoff-bound teams can point to the work of good young relievers who were put in that role from Day 1.

If your system had a dearth of potential starters, I'd see the point but ours is loaded and it's clear we have the depth to walk and chew gum at the same time.


No, if he is capable of starting, than he should start. A starter is way more valuable than a bullpen arm and to say we have dearth of potential starters doesn't mean anything... we would be lucky if we got 3 good starters out of that group.
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Re: Marcus Stroman - future role 

Post#17 » by Tyrone Slothrop » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:43 am

joseph235 wrote:No, if he is capable of starting, than he should start. A starter is way more valuable than a bullpen arm and to say we have dearth of potential starters doesn't mean anything... we would be lucky if we got 3 good starters out of that group.


Truth. People think because Sanchez, Syndergaard, and Nicolino are so highly touted that we can pencil them in to be starters in 2014. In reality, it would be fantastic if even one of them became a very good big league starter.
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Post#18 » by Hamyltowne » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:05 am

dagger wrote:
Hamyltowne wrote:The bullpen is for fungible assets—not investments.


And it's precisely that kind of attitude that results in the Jays having a crappy pen year after year at a time when some playoff-bound teams can point to the work of good young relievers who were put in that role from Day 1.

If your system had a dearth of potential starters, I'd see the point but ours is loaded and it's clear we have the depth to walk and chew gum at the same time.


I know you're very fond of using Atlanta as an example, but have you ever considered Tampa Bay?

The Rays manage to sign bullpen arms very well, year to year, while still seeing through many of their investments—the Starters. Relievers are the most fungible assets in baseball.

This vote would be a no-brainer if not for the fact that Stroman himself has said he prefers late-inning relief. All the same, Reliever this year, Starter next, back to Reliever if he can't make it as a Starter.

Pretty straightforward.

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