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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#141 » by Diop » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:02 am

being the backup point guard isn't rotting on the bench.

I think the person who performs better should start, although I do think Sessions is a better fit off the bench with Gordon.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#142 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:05 am

Sachmo wrote:being the backup point guard isn't rotting on the bench.

I think the person who performs better should start, although I do think Sessions is a better fit off the bench with Gordon.


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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#143 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:24 am

Sachmo wrote:being the backup point guard isn't rotting on the bench.

I think the person who performs better should start, although I do think Sessions is a better fit off the bench with Gordon.


I agree but the people who refuse to acknowledge that Kemba will be given every opportunity to nail down the starter's job are only fooling themselves.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#144 » by Snidely FC » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:46 pm

countryboi wrote:So we hire a coach to taylor his whole offense around kemba and then . . .?


I find their signing of Sessions confusing. I agree with cb above I thought we'd turned over the keys to Kemba.

What's the difference between Sessions and DJA? Good handle, good shooter, good passer. No defense.
Only improvement is he's a little bigger. Plus we still don't know what we paid him.

Why didn't we go with a guy who is okay with being PG2?
Why didn't we go with a better defender?
How much are we paying?
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#145 » by bobcats3wallace » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:51 pm

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countryboi wrote:So we hire a coach to taylor his whole offense around kemba and then . . .?


I find their signing of Sessions confusing. I agree with cb above I thought we'd turned over the keys to Kemba.

What's the difference between Sessions and DJA? Good handle, good shooter, good passer. No defense.
Only improvement is he's a little bigger. Plus we still don't know what we paid him.

Why didn't we go with a guy who is okay with being PG2?
Why didn't we go with a better defender?
How much are we paying?


Why are you assuming that Sessions is NOT PG2? I still think it would be wrong to assume Sessions will be the starter. No doubt there will be a "competition" but I think it would be very surprising if Sessions is the starter. Keep in mind that Sessions has been pretty much a career back-up, so it's not like he is entitled to starting.

I actually like the combo of Kemba/Hendo starting and then Sessions/Gordon off the bench. I think both pairs play off each other well. No way you can have Kemba/Gordon playing together for extended period of time. Plus the other thing is this, Dunlap has made it clear he is going to constantly making substitutions to keep guys fresh to RUN. Just because Kemba starts, doesn't mean that Sessions doesn't get his minutes. And I DON'T think that giving Sessions/Kemba a new equal split in minutes is a terrible thing. Kemba could learn a lot about being a PG from Sessions.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#146 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:15 pm

fatlever wrote:kemba and sessions are very similar players. the offense doesnt change for either. thats the good thing about this signing.

Unless the teams we are playing against can stop them. Stop one and you can probably stop the other. I'd rather a back up point that can give us a different look.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#147 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:16 pm

Any word of what we are paying Sessions yet????
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#148 » by fatlever » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:43 pm

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:kemba and sessions are very similar players. the offense doesnt change for either. thats the good thing about this signing.

Unless the teams we are playing against can stop them. Stop one and you can probably stop the other. I'd rather a back up point that can give us a different look.


thats when you move gordon over to pg and let him bomb away from deep :D
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#149 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:12 pm

BigSlam wrote:Any word of what we are paying Sessions yet????


This is what I am anxious to learn also. $4mil/year for 2 yrs is my guess.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#150 » by Roll Tide 09 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:16 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:
countryboi wrote:So we hire a coach to taylor his whole offense around kemba and then . . .?


I find their signing of Sessions confusing. I agree with cb above I thought we'd turned over the keys to Kemba.

What's the difference between Sessions and DJA? Good handle, good shooter, good passer. No defense.
Only improvement is he's a little bigger. Plus we still don't know what we paid him.

Why didn't we go with a guy who is okay with being PG2?
Why didn't we go with a better defender?
How much are we paying?


Why are you assuming that Sessions is NOT PG2? I still think it would be wrong to assume Sessions will be the starter. No doubt there will be a "competition" but I think it would be very surprising if Sessions is the starter. Keep in mind that Sessions has been pretty much a career back-up, so it's not like he is entitled to starting.

I actually like the combo of Kemba/Hendo starting and then Sessions/Gordon off the bench. I think both pairs play off each other well. No way you can have Kemba/Gordon playing together for extended period of time. Plus the other thing is this, Dunlap has made it clear he is going to constantly making substitutions to keep guys fresh to RUN. Just because Kemba starts, doesn't mean that Sessions doesn't get his minutes. And I DON'T think that giving Sessions/Kemba a new equal split in minutes is a terrible thing. Kemba could learn a lot about being a PG from Sessions.


This is probably their plan, Gordon and Kemba together would just shoot all night, but if you have Gordon (shooter) and Sessions (passer) coming off the bench, that's a very good combination, and if Bismack comes off the bench as well, he'll be able to show what he's made of with a pass first point guard, and Sessions could pop it out to Mullens all day, and Kemba can work on everything he needs to while starting to build his confidence. Plus I would much rather let Kemba learn from a player that has at least some confidence instead of learning from a player that has ZERO confidence (Augustin).
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#151 » by Bassman » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:51 pm

Look, I'm all for Kemba developing into a star PG. Believe me we need our picks to produce instead of bomb. All I'm saying is that Sessions is more polished now and don't be surprised if he is clearly the beter player next year. Even if Kemba starts, Sessions could get the majority of minutes depending on performance/flow of game. I agree the staff will be giving Kemba every opportunity to be the starter and our PG for the future.

It will be interesting to measure the production of Kemba+Hendo versus Sessions+Gordon.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#152 » by dmutombo321 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:00 pm

Agree that Sessions complements Gordon much better than Kemba does.

One thing nobody has mentioned is that what if Sessions and Gordon BOTH end up starting. If Dunlap starts players based strictly on merit as opposed to doing so for developmental purposes, dont be surprised.

As Bass points out, we definitely need Walker to develop into a premier player and we're all pulling for him to do so. But from an objective standpoint, I have a felling Sessions is going to prove to be the better PG in the immediate term at least.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#153 » by MKG14 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:02 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:Agree that Sessions complements Gordon much better than Kemba does.

One thing nobody has mentioned is that what if Sessions and Gordon BOTH end up starting. If Dunlap starts players based strictly on merit as opposed to doing so for developmental purposes, dont be surprised.

As Bass points out, we definitely need Walker to develop into a premier player and we're all pulling for him to do so. But from an objective standpoint, I have a felling Sessions is going to prove to be the better PG in the immediate term at least.

all the interviews with dunlap and the front office indicate he's here to develop, so I would be surprised if our oldest players started
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#154 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:28 pm

Normally I'm all for starting the best players regardless of seniority, draft pick, contract, or any other variable. But, the goal this year isn't to win games, it's to continue to develop the young guys and get ping pong balls. Kemba was thrown into a pretty terrible situation last year, and still put together a respectable rookie season in spite of it. I think he deserves a full offseason and a second season under his belt before we start moving on to other options. That said, I see the PG situation as a pretty even timeshare regardless. So even if Kemba doesn't start he should still get at least 20 minutes at the point. Plus I'm sure we'll see plenty of small lineups with Kemba at the 2:

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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#155 » by bobcats3wallace » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:48 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:Agree that Sessions complements Gordon much better than Kemba does.

One thing nobody has mentioned is that what if Sessions and Gordon BOTH end up starting. If Dunlap starts players based strictly on merit as opposed to doing so for developmental purposes, dont be surprised.

As Bass points out, we definitely need Walker to develop into a premier player and we're all pulling for him to do so. But from an objective standpoint, I have a felling Sessions is going to prove to be the better PG in the immediate term at least.



I would be VERY surprised based on the fact Dunlap was specifically brought in here FOR developmental purposes.....
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#156 » by Marino » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:02 pm

2 year, $10 million is his deal.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#157 » by hhvo » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:08 pm

Marino wrote:2 year, $10 million is his deal.


I'm okay with that for 2 years.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#158 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:08 pm

Marino wrote:2 year, $10 million is his deal.

Better than I thought but still more than what I wanted.
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#159 » by MKG14 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:09 pm

2 years is nothing
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Re: Bobcats sign Ramon Sessions 

Post#160 » by bobcats3wallace » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:20 pm

More than I thought/wanted, but still not terrible. Only 2 years, so really doesn't hurt.

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