Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXVII Off-Season Edition)

woosah · Post #941 » by **woosah** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:27 am

So on the gen board they are saying Scola hurt his leg or something. Too bad. I hope it's a ploy to scare teams from bidding on him so he can clear waivers and be a free agent. I don't think it will work though. Someone will claim him.

JTurbo · Post #942 » by **JTurbo** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:28 am

Personally I need Lamb to be part of a deal. Ive seen all jis games and he got good size and great reach for a 2. Plays good D not great but he is athletic and got a smooth shot w great range. Was a steal at 12 and IMO can be an all star caliber 2.

Phantom418 · Post #943 » by **Phantom418** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:33 am

TSKD000 wrote:If we trade with OKC, it has to be Westbrook. I do not want Harden at max and Ibaka at near max. We would never win a title with those two as main pieces. With Westbrook, we could build around him.

Magic12ball · Post #944 » by **Magic12ball** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:34 am

TSKD000 wrote:
Chet Wagner wrote:I think Houston's offer is nowhere close to what people think it is ^^

better be at least....KMart/Lamb/White and 3 picks. Getting Parsons and/or Douglass thrown in would be great though. Don't think we have a need for Morris or Patterson.

+1

KMart will be a good expiring. Lamb and White or Lamb and Ross would be excellent additions to our young core. I love that TOR pick as well. Hoping for the best!

Smith/Lamb/White/Nicholson/O'Quinn

Nelson/Redick/Harper/Clark/?

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Magic12ball · Post #945 » by **Magic12ball** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:35 am

Magic12ball wrote:
TSKD000 wrote:
Chet Wagner wrote:I think Houston's offer is nowhere close to what people think it is ^^

better be at least....KMart/Lamb/White and 3 picks. Getting Parsons and/or Douglass thrown in would be great though. Don't think we have a need for Morris or Patterson.

+1

KMart will be a good expiring. Lamb and White or Lamb and Ross would be excellent additions to our young core. I love that TOR pick as well. Hoping for the best!

Smith/Lamb/White/Nicholson/O'Quinn

Nelson/Redick/Harper/Clark/?

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Whoops, forgot Liggy long stocking (DeAndre Liggins) =-)

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fendilim · Post #946 » by **fendilim** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:47 am

jbar wrote:Even though I'm a n00b, here's your recap of Dwight to Houston:

The Rockets offer a dream scenario for the Magic to get the best possible outcome -- a total rebuild -- with picks, young players, cap room AND probably a good shot at the No. 1 overall pick after a poor season.

Houston's assets:

Cap room: Needed to take on the contracts of Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Duhon, Quentin Richardson, Glen Davis ... as much of this dead weight as possible.

Draft picks: Orlando would like to get multiple first-rounders with no protection, but the very least that the Magic should come away with has to be the Toronto Raptors' future first-rounder, which Houston acquired in the Kyle Lowery trade, and the Rockets' own first-rounder in 2013, which could possibly even be a lottery pick if Howard isn't happy and sulks or if his back isn't 100%.

SG Kevin Martin: Talented scorer with an expiring contract worth over $12 million in 2012-13. Think of him as cap room next summer.

SG Jeremy Lamb: Rookie with skills and a ridiculous wingspan who was just drafted 12th overall.

SF Chandler Parsons: Orlando native who had a very good rookie season and exceeded everyone's expectations of a second-round pick.

PF Patrick Patterson: Lots of potential entering his second season.

SF Royce White: Hard-working, physical rookie who was drafted 16th overall. Has anxiety disorder.

PF Terrence Jones: Rookie with potential who was taken 18th overall. Some don't love his on-court demeanor, but he's got tools.

F Marcus Morris: Didn't do much as a 2012 rookie lottery pick (overshadowed by Parsons), but has size and talent.

PG Shaun Livingston: Affordable backup with some skill and great size (6-foot-7). Rockets acquired him in the Samuel Dalembert trade.

PF Jon Leuer: Second-round pick who showed a bit of a scoring touch with the Bucks as a rookie before the Rockets acquired him in the Dalembert trade.

C Josh Harrelson: Bulky backup big man (another UK product) who was acquired in the Marcus Camby sign-and-trade after an OK rookie year.

SG Toney Douglass: Backup guard who was acquired in the Camby trade. Originally from Tampa.

What do you think?

Is this confirmed? I agree with Schmitz last night or was that kYler in the David Baumann show who said that Houston is not going to offer everything to have Dwight. They know Dwight is a rental and the only way to keep him is to have a competitive team around him next year. By virtue of trading all these players they likely have a really terriible core of players built around Dwight.

ThatFloridaDude · Post #947 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:48 am

TSKD000 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Some lottery teams are probably dumb enough to trade a pick for KM. MJ and the Bobcats come to mind...

nah. not with Kemba, Ben Gordon, and MKG.

THEY STILL WILL SUCK without a big guy in the middle

chunnyboy · Post #948 » by **chunnyboy** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:00 am

fendilim wrote:
jbar wrote:Even though I'm a n00b, here's your recap of Dwight to Houston:

The Rockets offer a dream scenario for the Magic to get the best possible outcome -- a total rebuild -- with picks, young players, cap room AND probably a good shot at the No. 1 overall pick after a poor season.

Houston's assets:

Cap room: Needed to take on the contracts of Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Duhon, Quentin Richardson, Glen Davis ... as much of this dead weight as possible.

Draft picks: Orlando would like to get multiple first-rounders with no protection, but the very least that the Magic should come away with has to be the Toronto Raptors' future first-rounder, which Houston acquired in the Kyle Lowery trade, and the Rockets' own first-rounder in 2013, which could possibly even be a lottery pick if Howard isn't happy and sulks or if his back isn't 100%.

SG Kevin Martin: Talented scorer with an expiring contract worth over $12 million in 2012-13. Think of him as cap room next summer.

SG Jeremy Lamb: Rookie with skills and a ridiculous wingspan who was just drafted 12th overall.

SF Chandler Parsons: Orlando native who had a very good rookie season and exceeded everyone's expectations of a second-round pick.

PF Patrick Patterson: Lots of potential entering his second season.

SF Royce White: Hard-working, physical rookie who was drafted 16th overall. Has anxiety disorder.

PF Terrence Jones: Rookie with potential who was taken 18th overall. Some don't love his on-court demeanor, but he's got tools.

F Marcus Morris: Didn't do much as a 2012 rookie lottery pick (overshadowed by Parsons), but has size and talent.

PG Shaun Livingston: Affordable backup with some skill and great size (6-foot-7). Rockets acquired him in the Samuel Dalembert trade.

PF Jon Leuer: Second-round pick who showed a bit of a scoring touch with the Bucks as a rookie before the Rockets acquired him in the Dalembert trade.

C Josh Harrelson: Bulky backup big man (another UK product) who was acquired in the Marcus Camby sign-and-trade after an OK rookie year.

SG Toney Douglass: Backup guard who was acquired in the Camby trade. Originally from Tampa.

What do you think?
Is this confirmed? I agree with Schmitz last night or was that kYler in the David Baumann show who said that Houston is not going to offer everything to have Dwight. They know Dwight is a rental and the only way to keep him is to have a competitive team around him next year. By virtue of trading all these players they likely have a really terriible core of players built around Dwight.

nah it's just the list of total assets they have in order of importance i think it goes something like...

1. cap relief - hedo/jrich/duhon dump
2. toronto's (top 3 protected) pick
3. jeremy lamb
4. houston's picks (i doubt it comes unprotected)
5. kevin martin (and his very flippable expiring contract)
6. royce white
7. chandler parsons
8. josh harrellson (i'm actully very high on him - think he's a quality big, also has a good shooting touch)

rcklsscognition · Post #949 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:10 am

woosah wrote:So on the gen board they are saying Scola hurt his leg or something. Too bad. I hope it's a ploy to scare teams from bidding on him so he can clear waivers and be a free agent. I don't think it will work though. Someone will claim him.

I doubt anyone ponies up 10 mil for Scola. Some weird rule in the CBA requires any waiver bid to be like 10.5 mil for Scola. He's prob going to be a UFA. I posted the link about 2 hours ago, it's probably 30 pages back.

MagicFan41 · Post #950 » by **MagicFan41** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:15 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
woosah wrote:So on the gen board they are saying Scola hurt his leg or something. Too bad. I hope it's a ploy to scare teams from bidding on him so he can clear waivers and be a free agent. I don't think it will work though. Someone will claim him.

I doubt anyone ponies up 10 mil for Scola. Some weird rule in the CBA requires any waiver bid to be like 10.5 mil for Scola. He's prob going to be a UFA. I posted the link about 2 hours ago, it's probably 30 pages back.

That's 10.5 mil for 3 years. So it's only like 3.5 mil per year. You don't think anybody would want his services for that? I would gladly welcome him for that.

rcklsscognition · Post #951 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:18 am

MagicFan41 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
woosah wrote:So on the gen board they are saying Scola hurt his leg or something. Too bad. I hope it's a ploy to scare teams from bidding on him so he can clear waivers and be a free agent. I don't think it will work though. Someone will claim him.

I doubt anyone ponies up 10 mil for Scola. Some weird rule in the CBA requires any waiver bid to be like 10.5 mil for Scola. He's prob going to be a UFA. I posted the link about 2 hours ago, it's probably 30 pages back.

That's 10.5 mil for 3 years. So it's only like 3.5 mil per year. You don't think anybody would want his services for that? I would gladly welcome him for that.

Good refresh. When he tweeted that info it he was just saying 10 million. The full article broke it down and explained the 3 years. Why is that considered "prohibitive"? Terrible article name by Pincus. $3,347,012 is the min. bid and he's acting like teams with no cap space wouldn't be able to sign him. Redic

The Effect · Post #952 » by **The Effect** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:31 am

God i hope this all ends tomorrow and he goes to houston, if for no other reason than i dont want to have to say i got trolled by Houston Rockets twitter account :lol:

MagicTownBaller · Post #953 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:36 am

The Effect wrote:God i hope this all ends tomorrow and he goes to houston, if for no other reason than i dont want to have to say i got trolled by Houston Rockets twitter account

+1

ThatFloridaDude · Post #954 » by **ThatFloridaDude** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:47 am

The Effect wrote:God i hope this all ends tomorrow and he goes to houston, if for no other reason than i dont want to have to say i got trolled by Houston Rockets twitter account

I REALLY HOPE SO.

shortodom · Post #955 » by **shortodom** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:55 am

Dwight traded soon? Larry Coon a Laker insider that the fans call credible said "It's going up on the site soon. (Stein/Ford byline)" about dwight being traded

The Effect · Post #956 » by **The Effect** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:57 am

shortodom wrote:Dwight traded soon? Larry Coon a Laker insider that the fans call credible said "It's going up on the site soon. (Stein/Ford byline)" about dwight being traded

cb1115 · Post #957 » by **cb1115** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:57 am

shortodom wrote:Dwight traded soon? Larry Coon a Laker insider that the fans call credible said "It's going up on the site soon. (Stein/Ford byline)" about dwight being traded

SAY WHAT?

Hotshot Hower · Post #958 » by **Hotshot Hower** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:58 am

cb1115 wrote:
shortodom wrote:Dwight traded soon? Larry Coon a Laker insider that the fans call credible said "It's going up on the site soon. (Stein/Ford byline)" about dwight being traded

SAY WHAT?

cvMagic · Post #959 » by **cvMagic** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:59 am

tiderulz wrote:
cvMagic wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:It can't even be Harden+Ibaka for Dwight . Salaries not close enough. My guess would be they would have to throw in another piece to that? Probably Perkins. Either way....I don't know if that really helps us. Although a lineup of

Jameer/Wayns
Harden/JJ
JRich/Hedo
Ibaka/Nicholson
BBD/Perkins

could be interesting. But yeh, both those guys will get big deals and we would still have JRich on the books....don't see the point of it.

Don't forget - Harden has proven he can play the point very well.
But this deal won't happen.

We must've been watching different games during the regular season

actually, Harden hasnt proven he can play point. he has proven he can handle the ball and make plays from SG. he isnt quick enough to play and defend the point. That was obvious in the playoffs

shortodom · Post #960 » by **shortodom** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:00 am

said the Lakers didn't get him though, which sucks