Howard Thread III (Howard ready to join Lakers p.68)

[Hunter103]

I really don't understand Morey. he has a collection of studs who want to play as a Rocket and he's going all in on someone who doesn't want to be there.

Go big or go home?

[yows]

Im hoping this is all a houston ruse to acquire AB17 in a three way, although there are articles that contradict this.
On the preface though, I have no idea what angle HOU are taking if all published reports are accurate #losttheplot

[Stebo_SSK]

Im hoping this is all a houston ruse to acquire AB17 in a three way, although there are articles that contradict this.
On the preface though, I have no idea what angle HOU are taking if all published reports are accurate #losttheplot

Why would they need to do all of this in order to get Bynum? Also why would they clear all this space to absorb Orlando players just to settle for Bynum? Doubt that happens unless they are really thinking that getting Bynum is a more secure deal and still makes them competitive

[Dr Aki]

Im hoping this is all a houston ruse to acquire AB17 in a three way, although there are articles that contradict this.
On the preface though, I have no idea what angle HOU are taking if all published reports are accurate #losttheplot

Why would they need to do all of this in order to get Bynum? Also why would they clear all this space to absorb Orlando players just to settle for Bynum? Doubt that happens unless they are really thinking that getting Bynum is a more secure deal and still makes them competitive

theyre doing it for dwight.

but as a backup plan, should dwight not stay in houston, bynum is a pretty good backup plan

[LateRoundFlyer]

Im hoping this is all a houston ruse to acquire AB17 in a three way, although there are articles that contradict this.
On the preface though, I have no idea what angle HOU are taking if all published reports are accurate #losttheplot

Why would they need to do all of this in order to get Bynum? Also why would they clear all this space to absorb Orlando players just to settle for Bynum? Doubt that happens unless they are really thinking that getting Bynum is a more secure deal and still makes them competitive

theyre doing it for dwight.

but as a backup plan, should dwight not stay in houston, bynum is a pretty good backup plan

The question you have to ask is: what parts change in order for a three-team deal to happen? No really, ask.

You guys say Bynum and maybe some fillers. But where do they go? ORL would still be presumably get the same package of picks and cap space as they would in a straight up deal with HOU, no? It makes absolutely no sense why they'd want us included unless they want Bynum back for themselves... but then why would HOU consent to do that trade if he is indeed their fallback option? Morey and Les would literally have nothing to show for themselves.

Let's be honest here: the whole three-team rumor was built on a flimsy notion already, and that was HOU banking on Bynum as a better bet to stay with them for the long haul. If they really are prepared to risk it all on Dwight though -- and their actions this week only intensified that belief -- what gives you all this idea that either they or ORL are going to take us along for the ride?

[snaquille oatmeal]

I think you misunderstood my post. I am not saying that the Lakers control where DHo is gonna end up. what I meant is that the last report with some teeth that I heard was that the Lakers had issues with his back and that was the reason why the deal wasn't made.

You aren't saying Lakers control where Howard ends up, but yet their concerns about his back were why a deal wasn't made?

But surely, this implies if they had no problems with his back, he'd be a Laker right now right? That's in essence what you are implying, no? If not, then what? I guess I'm just having difficulty reconciling two completely contradictory statements. It truly may not be what you meant to say, but what you actually said conveys that Lakers own Howard's destiny, and if only they'd just come off their current stance thennnnn...... maybe this whole Dwightmare would be behind us already.

the problem with this kind of response is that I have to explain a previous explanation.
I never said the Lakers control where D-Ho ends up so how can that contradict my statement that "I read that the Lakers had issues with his back". if you understand the context of my post you would know it means that I thought the poster I was talking to misunderstood what I said. in other words I was saying "I didn't mean that I meant this" so how is that a contradiction?

do we have official reports that the Lakers don't care about his back? or are we just assuming that the Lakers don't care and want to make a deal?

Well, no reports are technically official. I think it's best we all keep that in mind as this is playing out. But the point is moot: whether or not the Lakers care doesn't guarantee they can get a deal, nor that they are the best (or only) suitor for it. It isn't like we can't rescind the trade later, pending on the results from a comprehensive physical. ORL could very well do the same thing.

Of course, no party wants that to happen, as it would only alienate their current players even further and drive down their trade stock further, so it behooves both of them to get any concerns alleviated BEFORE a deal is reached. In that way, both ORL and LA absolutely do care about the state of their prospective players. But they also recognize the opportunity to posture, which takes far more priority than otherwise when they have a last minute pocket veto to blow the whole thing up.

like we say at work, "you are nuking it". who gives a rats as$ about real official reports. real official reports are the ones that the actual organizations put out in press a conference about a week after the reports have been confirmed. then there are blog official reports where all you need is a reliable named source followed by several other reports with sources. the latter is what I was talking about.

as far as the wether the lakers care or not about his back is not moot. if they care they will proceed with extreme caution or they will walk away. one of these scenarios seems to be the most likely since nothing is happening.

[snaquille oatmeal]

I would love to trade Gasol for Motiejunas, Kevin Martin, Jermy Lamb and/or Peterson.... try to steal a pick or 2, lol

ballboys

Mr. Oatmeal.... yeah you got 10,000 more posts and you're cool. This is a discussion board, so go ahead dismantle my suggestions, but provide an argument or your personal suggestions.

montejunas is a non factor period. he will not help in a championship run next year. The Lakers are not in the business of waiting around 2 to 5 years for a rookie to develop unless it is a lotto pick.

Kevin Martin decent player not nearly half as valuable as Pau.

jeramy Lamb- rookie enough said

Jim peterson- knickerbocker please!

basically what you are saying is Pau fricken Gasol for Kevin Martin plus future assets (a big for small, really???). if we were rebuilding and the Bobcats I would have a slight interest in remaining a lotto team for the next decade, but no this is the Lakers we are talking about. your suggestion is laughable.

[Michael Lucky]

poor Mitch for having to deal with all these false reports. lol

for all we know we've never even offered Bynum.

[Kilroy]

I don't believe OKC has offered Orlando Harden and Ibaka either... They might at the last second if they think Dwight will come to LA...

Still saying, Orlando isn't waiting to focus on hiring a new Coach... And they aren't waiting for Houston to improve their offer... (When's the last time a Superstar was traded basically for Cap relief?)

They're waiting for Bynum to come back from Alaska.

[The Skyhook]

When people previously praised Daryl Morey on the GB in the past was it as joke because I honestly can't think of anything significant that he has done to warrant all this praise.

[yows]

The question you have to ask is: what parts change in order for a three-team deal to happen? No really, ask.

You guys say Bynum and maybe some fillers. But where do they go? ORL would still be presumably get the same package of picks and cap space as they would in a straight up deal with HOU, no? It makes absolutely no sense why they'd want us included unless they want Bynum back for themselves... but then why would HOU consent to do that trade if he is indeed their fallback option? Morey and Les would literally have nothing to show for themselves.

Let's be honest here: the whole three-team rumor was built on a flimsy notion already, and that was HOU banking on Bynum as a better bet to stay with them for the long haul. If they really are prepared to risk it all on Dwight though -- and their actions this week only intensified that belief -- what gives you all this idea that either they or ORL are going to take us along for the ride?

in my post i used the term, ruse, to bring consideration of a scenario where the published reports of proposed trade is not something that HOU intends on executing, maybe this is just posturing and leverage. it was a comment made in passing and jest because i don't know how HOU intends to leverage their risk, with the contracts they would be taking on if dwight does indeed end up a rental. If read correctly my comments poses this question.
and my reference to the 3 way is just hopeful thinking from a fan so please dont read too much into it but thanks for the critical analysis in response.

[Jetset]

Morey is about to be so fired it's not even funny

Legion Sports ‏@MySportsLegion
Rockets set to offer: KMartin, PPatterson, MMorris, Chandler Parsons, Jeremy Lamb, Royce White & TJones for D12, Duhon, JRich & Glen Davis.

Apparently all of that and to top it all off a future 1st as well as Toronto's unprotected 1st from the Lowry trade for essentially the Orlando Magic 2011-12 starting lineup.

[Stebo_SSK]

Im sure the ability to tank if he leaves is good but this is a bit much...they are going all in...just dont see how they build around him even if he stays...small market too

[MAMBAEMD]

Wow!
That takes some gonads!
I still have a hard time imagining this can go through with just two teams. They've got to have a third team willing to take some of this crap.

[RamonSessions7]

If that offer is real, Rockets gonna be real horrible

[Jetset]

Rockets beat writer:

Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen
Last I heard, Rockets were not offering both of last season's rookies and all three of this year's picks. Many could be in a deal, though.

Oh okay, that would've been extraordinarily ridiculous had he done all of that. But I'm quite sure Orlando is going to get a majority of what's posted above, and I still don't know why Houston is entertaining the idea. If you want to tank then fine, you can do so with the team you have. But trading for Howard, and taking back all of their bad salaries, and giving up a potential lottery pick is just moronic.

[Stebo_SSK]

Rockets beat writer:

Jonathan Feigen ‏@Jonathan_Feigen
Last I heard, Rockets were not offering both of last season's rookies and all three of this year's picks. Many could be in a deal, though.

Oh okay, that would've been extraordinarily ridiculous had he done all of that. But I'm quite sure Orlando is going to get a majority of what's posted above, and I still don't know why Houston is entertaining the idea. If you want to tank then fine, you can do so with the team you have. But trading for Howard, and taking back all of their bad salaries, and giving up a potential lottery pick is just moronic.

Strongly agree, its like they are banking on CP3 coming to Htown after the season. If anything Im sure he's probably more comfy staying in LA. Why leave one rebuilding promising situation to enter another?

[MAMBAEMD]

I'm guessing that Houston would be so far under the cap that those "bad" Orlando contracts are not so bad.
even with 3 or 4 of those, and with Howard, they'd still be under the cap, and can fill out their roster with spare parts.
Notice Turk is not mentioned. Just Duhon, JRich, and baby.
Still a huge gamble, just to get Howard on your team. His agent must have given Morey some indication that he would sign an extension.

[desertlakerfan]

There's one important thing that some of you don't seem to understand.

Houston can take this huge risk of Howard bolting because they are in a lotto/tanking situation if they lose out on him. If he goes prima donna on them and causes tons of drama, they end up moving him mid season(likely for NJ's multi pick deal wiht lopez) and continue to tank.

We on the other hand are already on the verge of being contenders, with our main weakness being our bench depth and outside shooting. For us to take a huge risk on Howard bolting(as much as you guys want to pretend this risk doesn't exist), means we could end up slamming shut Nash and Kobe's window to win it all if he chooses to leave either mid season or after. Point being we have much more to lose than Houston does when it comes to renting Howard.

[Stebo_SSK]

There's one important thing that some of you don't seem to understand.

Houston can take this huge risk of Howard bolting because they are in a lotto/tanking situation if they lose out on him. If he goes prima donna on them and causes tons of drama, they end up moving him mid season(likely for NJ's multi pick deal wiht lopez) and continue to tank.

We on the other hand are already on the verge of being contenders, with our main weakness being our bench depth and outside shooting. For us to take a huge risk on Howard bolting(as much as you guys want to pretend this risk doesn't exist), means we could end up slamming shut Nash and Kobe's window to win it all if he chooses to leave either mid season or after. Point being we have much more to lose than Houston does when it comes to renting Howard.

Yes and no, Honestly I dont see Kobe and Nash doing much damage in this league after this coming season on their own. Renting Howard for 1 season gives us a waaaay better chance than 1 season with Bynum and then only to resign Bynum to a huge contract and he never becomes this franchise guy. In the end, LA isnt in the position to get him over Houston anyway.