Rent Howard??

[reapaman]

BTW Panic van gundy should have been fired after that debacle of a coaching job in the nba finals. Not to mention he is horrible in drawing up plays in high pressure moments hence the nickname panic van gundy. He is not a championship worthy coach and over stayed his welcome.

So beating the Celtics on the road in a game 7 was chopped liver, right? Also beating the team with the leagues best record (oh yeah, and the league MVP) in the playoffs was no big deal? Can you even name one other top 50 NBA player on that team in '09? Mo Williams was better than any player other than Dwight on that Magic team. It was a miracle they even got to the finals! I'm not saying SVG is the best coach ever, but come on, he is very good and had done well given a tough job in Orlando. Blaming the coach is such a cop-out... They were playing Kobe and Pau when Pau was at the top of his game and probably a top 10 player in the league, Lamar Odom being top 25 easily.

Ok you may disagree with my opinion of stan but don't rewrite history. The magic were favored in the celtics series when garnett went down and you must have forgotten about game 4 and what may have been the worse coaching job in nba history that was game 5 of that series. I can go into detail if you forgot but he was horrendous and even shaq said those games (in adition to a couple others in that series) were exactly why he didn't like SVG as a coach. As for cavs they were completely outmatched. You had Mo and delonte guarding Lewis and Hedo for long stretches who just shot over them. The magic destroyed them and it didn't matter who the coach was.

And I'm not gonna put alot of blame on him for the Lakers because Lewis deserves alot of it but he surely didn't help. Not to mention Nelson should not have played 1 second in the finals, he was beyond terrible and may have threw their chemistry off a little.

[reapaman]

Dwight could have gotten all his money by doing what Lebron did minus the decision so this isn't about money.

In Dwight's mind, and I'm not inferring here- I can only judge his thought process by his own words- he would have been traded from the Magic had he not opted in. As described at length in my previous post, he felt a trade at that time imperiled his ability to receive the maximum contract length and amount while also playing on a team of his own choosing. Better for him to continue to play the familiar strings of the Magic than attempt to manipulate a new organization.

Your line of reasoning also fails to account for his change of heart of his previous change of heart. All evidence weighs heavily against the likelihood of Dwight having any sense whatsoever of true loyalty to the Magic. If you feel his motivation is anything but self-serving or self-preserving, you are welcome to that opinion. You may be the only person to believe that, and for good reason.

What difference would a trade make unless he agreed to an extension which he didn't have too. Any team that trades for him recieve all his rights in a trade so they could (and would be stupid not too if he is gonna walk away for nothing) do a sign & trade for a trade exception like lebron and bosh did to get max money (minus the part where they willingly took less to make the big 3 possible). Nets and Dallas for that matter both had tons of cap room avalible to do that kind of sign and trade for an exception for max money which is where he wanted to go so I don't get what your talking about.

There was no risk at all with dwight because he had all the power.

[kamazilla]

What difference would a trade make unless he agreed to an extension which he didn't have too. Any team that trades for him recieve all his rights in a trade so they could (and would be stupid not too if he is gonna walk away for nothing) do a sign & trade for a trade exception like lebron and bosh did to get max money (minus the part where they willingly took less to make the big 3 possible). Nets and Dallas for that matter both had tons of cap room avalible to do that kind of sign and trade for an exception for max money which is where he wanted to go so I don't get what your talking about.

There was no risk at all with dwight because he had all the power.

Dwight had all the power with the Magic, you mean. My point is that any team willing to do a sign and trade for nothing but a trade exception instantly loses all of their leverage in trying to retain a free agent. Had the Lakers, for example, traded Bynum for Howard at the deadline, why would they be so amenable to gift wrapping him for a team like Dallas? Answer: they would not. They would ride every bit of leverage they had to the end, in hopes that Howard blinks first.

Dwight, for his part, already knew the Magic would acquiesce to his demands. They had shown their hand and had lost their leverage. He was not willing to risk being put in a situation where he would lose either his Bird Rights maximum contract or his choice of ultimate destination.

[Litany]

you take positions contrary to conventional wisdom simply for the sake of standing apart from the crowd.

This X1,000,000, its nauseating

Any team that trades for him recieve all his rights in a trade so they could (and would be stupid not too if he is gonna walk away for nothing) do a sign & trade for a trade exception like lebron and bosh did to get max money (minus the part where they willingly took less to make the big 3 possible).

This is incorrect.

If a player is Signed and Traded in the new CBA they can only get four years at max money. That is the advantage to being the home team in a negotiation, you can offer a 5th year at max money. That is why people were wondering if Deron would leave $25 Million on the table by going to the Mavs instead of staying with the Nets.

For example, if Deron were to sign with the Mavs, they could have done a Sign and Trade and get a trade exception, but Deron only gets 4 years on his deal, not 5 like with the Nets. Or if Deron just walks there and doesnt do the sign and trade, he gets 4 years.

[reapaman]

This is incorrect.

If a player is Signed and Traded in the new CBA they can only get four years at max money. That is the advantage to being the home team in a negotiation, you can offer a 5th year at max money. That is why people were wondering if Deron would leave $25 Million on the table by going to the Mavs instead of staying with the Nets.

For example, if Deron were to sign with the Mavs, they could have done a Sign and Trade and get a trade exception, but Deron only gets 4 years on his deal, not 5 like with the Nets. Or if Deron just walks there and doesnt do the sign and trade, he gets 4 years.

I forgot about that but in that case he's in a lose-superlose situation. So he's basically in the same situation as last year instead now the nets are almost out of the picture. Well if it is all about money, why are some teams including us scared to trade for him then? Why all the drama if you know he's gonna stay because of money? If he doesn't wanna be in orlando why would he risk the magic potentially keeping him past next season (he publicly said he will playout this season) by playing chicken with them when he knows he loses money elsewhere? Now that the nets are out, why wouldn't he say I would be willing to sign with the Lakers instead of staying with a franchise going no where just so he can contend for titles instead of sucking with the magic? All I'm do is questioning everything that doesn't make complete sense and this makes no sense unless he wants to be in orlando. He's better off making the money up in endorsements than being on a team he doesn't wanna be on.

And no I'm not trying to be the contrarion, some of you guys are just beyond dellusional. It all started wih people either saying hayward was gonna be like Ginobili or he was a bust. I simply said he was gonna be neither, he was gonna be similar to Mike miller with a few minor differences and so far thats what he has been.

[Litany]

I honestly think that Howard was planning on just leaving this summer to go to the Nets and leave some money on the table.

I remember the week of the trade deadline when Howard didn't want the Magic to trade him to the Nets because he didn't want that roster to be gutted in the trade the way that the Knicks were after Melo was traded there.

He told the Magic not to trade him and let him play out the season. The Magic didn't want to risk losing him for nothing, so they told him either he signs the ETO or they are trading him to another team (I think it was the Lakers).

He didn't want to at first. Then the Magic went and played the Heat and beat them pretty good. Dwight was being EMO and was happy about the win, he was also probably thinking about not wanting people to hate him for "not being loyal" so he ended up deciding to sign.

I don't understand why he is resisting the trade to the Lakers. That one confuses me. I personally think that money is important to him, but I think winning is just as important.

I can see him leaving his team in free agency next year to go and join CP3 if that is a possibility (which it sounds like Atlanta and a few other teams could make happen).