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Batum deal, did we offer enough? *Official Batum thread*

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Re: Batum deal, did we offer enough? *Official Batum thread* 

Post#1481 » by Rhal » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:19 am

Brandon-Clyde wrote:Rules were violated in spirit and fact. Once the contract was signed it should have been forwarded to the league office. Instead Kahn sent it to the Blazers and demanded a sign and trade or the contract would be sent to the league office.The fact is that the rules prohibit exactly what Kahn did

The rules may have been a little violated but nothing major and the spirit all along was Minny told Batum they wanted him at 4/45(whatever the real number is it keeps changing) and seems like they told him they would sign him to it only if a S&T failed and they pointed out how they would go about signing him if the Blazers didn't agree to trade him. They brought Batum him had him sign the contract and had a time frame and plan by when they were going to clear the capspace to sign him (I'm assuming it was a few days ago because of how pumped Batum is to be playing in the Olympics he wants his contract done before the real training/scrimmaging gets underway). Seems like Khan did something stupid and the contract Nic signed is invalid so he has to go back and resign one on Sunday, but other then that no rules have actually been violated. All the banter in the media is over hyped to an extreme, its almost as if Batums agent purposely wanted the Portland media to blow it up and cause the fan base to be so agitated that the FO would be forced into a S&T or have reminders of the Jail Blazers come back to haunt them.
Minn has a bad image in Portland now because it feels like Minn has tried everything (extensively prolonging this instead of doing everything that needed to be done to sign Batum off the bat) to gain leverage when in reality you don't have leverage with a RFA no matter what the person say. Portland can't look good to Minny either because Olshey has made a few choice comments that have been mocking of both Khan and the Wolves. This is a very unique situation that has both fan bases fairly confused and snapping at each other. I don't think there has been a situation like this since RFA was put in.
No S&T is going to happen unless the Wolves give up something that is highway robbery (Peklovic/Dwill). So an offer sheet will be signed and submitted and the Blazers will by all accounts match.
Olshey has done what he has said all along, hasn't wavered in his telling Minn Portland was matching, It has led to some interesting quotes from him in the media, seems like neither him nor PA like having someone try and push them around.
Khan has done nothing illegal or unethical because he had a way to get the capspace without another teams help (amnesty darko, waive miller, waive webster), simply done something that most GM's wouldn't try (going above and beyond the norm to attempt to gain leverage in a situation were there was very little to be found) to go after a player he feels could put the wolves on the track to the promised land.
Not exactly sure what Batum's agblame for the ent is thinking letting this go on for so long, but almost all the anger (if there is any) on either side i'd put on Batums agent for letting this go on for so long.
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Re: Batum deal, did we offer enough? *Official Batum thread* 

Post#1482 » by Jack wore plaid » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:16 am

By my math, right now Minnesota can offer Nic around 9.5 to start
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Re: Batum deal, did we offer enough? *Official Batum thread* 

Post#1483 » by Kurosawa » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:42 am

By the time the offer sheet is submitted to the league Sunday afternoon, Minnesota will be able to fit the entire published amount under its cap. The issue has become quite simple: either the teams work out a S&T agreement before 5 p.m., Sunday, or Portland will choose to match or not match.
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Post#1484 » by Jack wore plaid » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:44 am

Kurosawa wrote:By the time the offer sheet is submitted to the league Sunday afternoon, Minnesota will be able to fit the entire published amount under its cap. The issue has become quite simple: either the teams work out a S&T agreement before 5 p.m., Sunday, or Portland will choose to match or not match.



Minnesota still needs to make another move to clear cap room. Webster's salary doesn't come off the books for another 6 days. Not saying they can't or won't, just pointing it out as part of the discussion
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Post#1485 » by Grits n Gravy » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:23 pm

Jack wore plaid wrote:
Kurosawa wrote:By the time the offer sheet is submitted to the league Sunday afternoon, Minnesota will be able to fit the entire published amount under its cap. The issue has become quite simple: either the teams work out a S&T agreement before 5 p.m., Sunday, or Portland will choose to match or not match.



Minnesota still needs to make another move to clear cap room. Webster's salary doesn't come off the books for another 6 days. Not saying they can't or won't, just pointing it out as part of the discussion

webster clears waivers on sunday

The Minnesota Timberwolves have been engaged with the Trail Blazers for days in a back-and-forth dance to try and pry Nicolas Batum out of Portland.

And it's not quite over yet.

The Timberwolves traded center Brad Miller and two second-round picks to New Orleans and waived swingman Martell Webster on Friday, all in an effort to clear enough cap room to sign Batum to a four-year, $46.5 million offer sheet with incentives that could push the deal past $50 million.

Once Webster clears waivers at 5 p.m. Eastern on Sunday, the Wolves can submit the signed offer sheet to the league. The Blazers will have three days to match the offer for the restricted free agent or let him leave for Minnesota.


http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/13/webs ... index.html
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Post#1486 » by jpatrick » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:24 pm

Basically every local reporter is saying that Kahn said when Webster clears waivers on Sunday we'll submit the offer sheet. Well, according to Coon's FAQ Webster won't clear until next week sometime, 7 days, not 48 hours. If after all this, Kahn can't submit the offer sheet until next Friday.... ugh.

I would say I just trust the NBA GM over some Internet posters, but yeah, at this point I don't. My guess is either were sending out a player in the Bulls deal we don't know about yet that clears space, we send in an offer sheet Sunday for an offer sheet less than the one Batum originally signed, or we have to wait until the end of next week to do it.

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