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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2181 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:10 am

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Neither player impacted the games like Lin did. Neither possesses the court intelligence Lin has and your usage of stats to pretend they are comparable players shows me how conventional your thought process is. You just don't get it then. Lin was a game changer, not just some scorer and he has clearly shown he is a work in progress committed to evolving his game. So hug your stats and talk about careers worthy of comparable contracts while numbing yourself out to the person who Lin showed themselves to be and the considerable upside we'd be getting. If you can't determine his qualities and need to talk like a census bureau statistician, you're just way too cautious to really pick talent. You only want the sure thing and that never produces winners, because you're always going to be paying up the nose and getting no upside. You just see the world differently, that's all.


Yawn. You people are so caught up in the "feel good" aspect, that your not looking at the bigger picture. We've been down this road before, but switch Felton, Gallo, Chandler for Lin. (And yes, I get it's different since we don't get anything if Lin walks.)


And for the record, I said the Knicks should match.


You people? Feel good? What are you talking about? You're the one talking like an accountant. That practically makes me a hippie by comparison, but I'm not waving pom poms for Lin, you're just predisposed to cynicism and unable to judge talent and you're trying to pass off your fence sitting as wise compared to "zealots" who don't need double-speak and can clearly say they believe what a player is.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2182 » by Loisl » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:13 am

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BVBeNYK wrote:Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald


I want to punch myself in the face for reading this.


Why? What is wrong about my post? Aren't we old? Had OKC not reached the finals with a young team?

I can't see what's wrong.


Well, you want us to fail. I can see what's wrong with that.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2183 » by Synciere » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:14 am

I'm just hoping we keep both Felton and Lin.

The best thing the Knicks could have done this off season was to improve our guard play. We needed more play-makers and guys who could set up our big men. Kidd, Felton, and Lin all have the ability to run the pick and roll. Maybe even this Euro can come in and make an impact when he gets an opportunity. Many posters here have said we have to maximize Amare. For 3 million a year, I'd watch a Felton/Amare pick and roll again. It looked much better than Lin running it.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2184 » by carayip » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:14 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
KnicksScholar24 wrote:The Knicks letting Lin go would be like the Celtics letting Rondo go the year after Garnett, Allen, & Pierce got together.

Even though I doubt lin is gone, Rondo won a ring the year Boston formed.

Awful comparison.

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Rondo averaged something like 9/5 and was totally a role player and was constantly benched in the playoffs when they won the championship. Apparently the Celtics didn't think their Big 3 had a short window and needed to get rid all the youth in favor of veterans to win.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2185 » by Synciere » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:20 am

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donkki wrote:Didn't see Felton play much last year, how did he look?


Just spend 1-2 mins to check out the Portland board. They thought we won this trade only not to see Felton again. And we're giving him a 3 year contract and making him the starting PG. There is a reason the guy got zero offer other than ours. :-?


Felton bombed in Denver and Portland. He had opportunities in both places to establish himself as a starter. However, I think he would be the best guy to run the pick and roll with our bigs. Lin is a better finisher but we can hardly say he's a better passer at this stage. Until he brings his turnovers down, Felton would have the edge there too. I think Felton had what he needed to be successful here in NY with Amare, and then went to teams where the team didn't have the bigs to compliment his offensive game.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2186 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:29 am

carayip wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
KnicksScholar24 wrote:The Knicks letting Lin go would be like the Celtics letting Rondo go the year after Garnett, Allen, & Pierce got together.

Even though I doubt lin is gone, Rondo won a ring the year Boston formed.

Awful comparison.

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Rondo averaged something like 9/5 and was totally a role player and was constantly benched in the playoffs when they won the championship. Apparently the Celtics didn't think their Big 3 had a short window and needed to get rid all the youth in favor of veterans to win.

Who cares if he sat on the bench some?

Hardly a role player.

He was the full time starter on a championship team, comparing him to Lin right now is silly.

Boston needed some youth because their core was old. We're the opposite.

I'll ask you the same.....

Name something all young champions.

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Post#2187 » by Pattycakes » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:29 am

Synciere wrote:
carayip wrote:
donkki wrote:Didn't see Felton play much last year, how did he look?


Just spend 1-2 mins to check out the Portland board. They thought we won this trade only not to see Felton again. And we're giving him a 3 year contract and making him the starting PG. There is a reason the guy got zero offer other than ours. :-?


Felton bombed in Denver and Portland. He had opportunities in both places to establish himself as a starter. However, I think he would be the best guy to run the pick and roll with our bigs. Lin is a better finisher but we can hardly say he's a better passer at this stage. Until he brings his turnovers down, Felton would have the edge there too. I think Felton had what he needed to be successful here in NY with Amare, and then went to teams where the team didn't have the bigs to compliment his offensive game.


Would have taken Kareem and Duncan to make Felton look nba-quality for us (Blazers) last yr.
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Post#2188 » by carayip » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:51 am

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Hardly a role player.

He was the full time starter on a championship team, comparing him to Lin right now is silly.

Boston needed some youth because their core was old. We're the opposite.

I'll ask you the same.....

Name something all young champions.

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Name a champion with someone like Ray Felton running the show.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2189 » by knickfan212 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:52 am

Anyone post this article yet?

Source: Knicks won’t match Lin offer after trade for Felton

LAS VEGAS — Linsanity got his money, but it looks like it won’t be from the Knicks.
In a stunning turn of events in the past 24 hours, the Knicks agreed to a sign-and-trade with the Trail Blazers to obtain former Knicks point guard Raymond Felton that all but ends the Jeremy Lin era prematurely and bitterly, according to league sources.
Linsanity was fun while it lasted.
One NBA source insisted the Knicks, with Felton’s addition, will not match Lin’s new, ramped-up $25 million offer sheet from the Rockets. The Knicks will have three days to reconsider amid a potential backlash.


http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/s ... 07zzt3ynxK
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Post#2190 » by Lightning25 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:55 am

knickfan212 wrote:Anyone post this article yet?

Source: Knicks won’t match Lin offer after trade for Felton

LAS VEGAS — Linsanity got his money, but it looks like it won’t be from the Knicks.
In a stunning turn of events in the past 24 hours, the Knicks agreed to a sign-and-trade with the Trail Blazers to obtain former Knicks point guard Raymond Felton that all but ends the Jeremy Lin era prematurely and bitterly, according to league sources.
Linsanity was fun while it lasted.
One NBA source insisted the Knicks, with Felton’s addition, will not match Lin’s new, ramped-up $25 million offer sheet from the Rockets. The Knicks will have three days to reconsider amid a potential backlash.


http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/s ... 07zzt3ynxK

I was reading this article and then I realized that Marc Berman wrote it. Marc Berman has been saying Lin is out ever since Felton talks started getting hot despite the fact that nobody else said that Lin is out and they won't match.

I'm not sure if it means much.
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Post#2191 » by xclearscreen » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:14 am

sources don't mean jack at this point. the only report that matters is the knicks either signs it, shreds it, or the 3 days has expired. simple as that
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Post#2192 » by matchman » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:14 am

Lin will be kept.
Are you fans of the team or the player?
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Post#2193 » by waya » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:17 am

BVBeNYK wrote:Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

Good, don't buy league pass and stop following the Knicks. We don't need fans like you. Who the hell are you anyway
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2194 » by Gil » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:21 am

DocZaius wrote:
Knicks80_20 wrote:Some gems from the Blazers board:

No news of him signing anywhere.
Based on how out of shape he was after the lock out on a contract year none the less, how badly he played and as much of a locker room cancer he was I hope he doesn't make a NBA roster.


The biggest loser is probably the only place he'd find where competitors have a worse work ethic than he does.


Felton screwed himself out of a potential huge payday. The Blazers handed him the best opportunity he will ever have. The sad thing is he showed he had the talent. He also showed he didn't have the work ethic and professionalism.


And this is the guy who's going to make our championship core work?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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Post#2195 » by DMass » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:27 am

I actually like this move. There's no way we aren't matching on Lin as well - it's just a shame we're gonna have to endure 3 days of scaremongering.

Our PG rotation is going to be great. Just think last year we had Toney Douglas started the season and Mike Bibby finishing it... what chance did we have?

Now we're gonna have consistently good PG play with many different options available.

Glen has done an amazing job with these S&T's since he started. Our roster looks VERY good right now.
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Post#2196 » by gmoney411 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:30 am

matchman wrote:Lin will be kept.


With the signing of Felton and the third year essentially costing the Knicks $52.5MM, don't be surprised if he isn't.
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Post#2197 » by carayip » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:33 am

This can't be a basketball move. Saying Felton is a better basketball player than Lin at this point of their career and in the next 3 years is... I don't know what to say.
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Post#2198 » by earthmansurfer » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:34 am

waya wrote:
BVBeNYK wrote:Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

Good, don't buy league pass and stop following the Knicks. We don't need fans like you. Who the hell are you anyway


You don't get something, do you? A fan is not one to blindly follow a team. We have a voice. Just as workers at a large corporation do, or citizens of a country. When enough people complain, if it affects the bottom line $$$, companies, govt's etc. have to listen.

I also am in Germany and won't be buying league pass if Lin isn't resigned (I actually bought it cause we picked him up off waivers). I'll box score watch and follow the Knicks. But I ain't blind. My voice will be heard. You seem to be confusing patriotism with being a fan. Patriotism is being blind, careful there.

So, my question to you is "What kind of fans do we need?" Sounds like you want blind and obedient fans - scary, reminds me of Germany in the past...

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Post#2199 » by howe070523 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:38 am

earthmansurfer wrote:
waya wrote:
BVBeNYK wrote:Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

Good, don't buy league pass and stop following the Knicks. We don't need fans like you. Who the hell are you anyway


You don't get something, do you? A fan is not one to blindly follow a team. We have a voice. Just as workers at a large corporation do, or citizens of a country. When enough people complain, if it affects the bottom line $$$, companies, govt's etc. have to listen.

I also am in Germany and won't be buying league pass if Lin isn't resigned (I actually bought it cause we picked him up off waivers). I'll box score watch and follow the Knicks. But I ain't blind. My voice will be heard. You seem to be confusing patriotism with being a fan. Patriotism is being blind, careful there.

So, my question to you is "What kind of fans do we need?" Sounds like you want blind and obedient fans - scary, reminds me of Germany in the past...

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I think you just destroyed him.

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Post#2200 » by HEZI » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:45 am

Am I the only one who believes that the Felton trade was affected by us not wanting to bring back Fields and that it has nothing to do with Lin?

Lin will be matched and all 3 guards will be in the rotation.
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