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Post#2201 » by BVBeNYK » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:47 am

waya wrote:
BVBeNYK wrote:Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

Good, don't buy league pass and stop following the Knicks. We don't need fans like you. Who the hell are you anyway


Oh i see. Love a "don't critize the management of your Team" mentality. Say yes to all decisions they make. Wow is that what a real fan is all about?
Did you think Felton is a upgrade to Lin as starting pointguard? Did you belive he brings us a ring?
If yes than fine. We'll see us after this season with no ring and not even the second round.
Every team needs a couple of vets. And i'm absolutely ok with it. But no team needs to be only vets. And that's the route we're going. If this leads us to nowhere what do we have to build new without years to come where we're at the end of the league? We've nearly no picks and no assets of hughe value out of Melo. And now please don't say that you're ok with building completely new even if it means you're not a playoff team for several years.
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Post#2202 » by N8isScofield » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:52 am

As has been pointed out and it's something I'm going to expand upon a little bit, there is really no logical reason not to match unless Lin doesn't want to be here. James Dolan payed considerably more than the proposed luxury tax figure to field terrible Knicks teams (and this was at the same time he was paying even more ridiculous money to field terrible Rangers teams) without batting an eyelid. He and his family have only gotten wealthier since that point and the Rangers don't cost near as much in salary due to the NHL salary cap system. Plus Lin is worth a ton of money in revenue. There is only 1 reason not to match and it is if Lin prefers Houston.
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Post#2203 » by gmoney411 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:59 am

N8isScofield wrote:As has been pointed out and it's something I'm going to expand upon a little bit, there is really no logical reason not to match unless Lin doesn't want to be here. James Dolan payed considerably more than the proposed luxury tax figure to field terrible Knicks teams (and this was at the same time he was paying even more ridiculous money to field terrible Rangers teams) without batting an eyelid. He and his family have only gotten wealthier since that point and the Rangers don't cost near as much in salary due to the NHL salary cap system. Plus Lin is worth a ton of money in revenue. There is only 1 reason not to match and it is if Lin prefers Houston.


Dolan is a serious businessman and businessmen normally don't just take a slap in the face. Assuming that Lin did take the news of the matching back to Houston and got a higher deal it is something that will end up costing James Dolan $20MM in year three or more. Maybe Dolan considers it a smart savvy move by Lin and respects it and moves on or maybe he gets pissed and says screw Lin. Immediately signing Felton points to the latter but who knows.
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Post#2204 » by E86 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:07 am

I'm not sure why everyone is so mad. I think it'd be hilarious if Lin went to the Rockets to play with 10 PF's.
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Post#2205 » by carayip » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:09 am

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N8isScofield wrote:As has been pointed out and it's something I'm going to expand upon a little bit, there is really no logical reason not to match unless Lin doesn't want to be here. James Dolan payed considerably more than the proposed luxury tax figure to field terrible Knicks teams (and this was at the same time he was paying even more ridiculous money to field terrible Rangers teams) without batting an eyelid. He and his family have only gotten wealthier since that point and the Rangers don't cost near as much in salary due to the NHL salary cap system. Plus Lin is worth a ton of money in revenue. There is only 1 reason not to match and it is if Lin prefers Houston.


Dolan is a serious businessman and businessmen normally don't just take a slap in the face. Assuming that Lin did take the news of the matching back to Houston and got a higher deal it is something that will end up costing James Dolan $20MM in year three or more. Maybe Dolan considers it a smart savvy move by Lin and respects it and moves on or maybe he gets pissed and says screw Lin. Immediately signing Felton points to the latter but who knows.


So Dolan letting his emotion and ego get better himself to not only screw Lin but screw the Knicks shows he's good businessman?
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Post#2206 » by DaLeeDa » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:09 am

SMAC-K wrote:Am I the only one who believes that the Felton trade was affected by us not wanting to bring back Fields and that it has nothing to do with Lin?

Lin will be matched and all 3 guards will be in the rotation.


I think we wanted to give away another 2nd round pick. It's too addicting! You get a 2nd rnd pick and you get a 2nd rnd pck. How about I give you two? Two 2nd round picks! :lol:

But I think we just wanted to dump non-guaranteed Gadzuric's contract for something of value. Saw that we could give him up and an injured Jeffries for Felton and Kurt Thomas. Fills the hole backing up Amare and gives us more depth at PG. I don't think it had anything to do with Lin.

Now playing catch me if you can with the offer sheet? That was to piss off Morey. I'm expecting them to wait until the last hour to match Lin just to make him (Morey) sweat it out.
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Post#2207 » by wasted_101 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:09 am

is cp3 in our future
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Post#2208 » by HEZI » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:11 am

wasted_101 wrote:is cp3 in our future


So we wont match Lin because of Luxury Taxes, but we will take on CP3's contract?
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Post#2209 » by MaseInYourFace » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:13 am

wasted_101 wrote:is cp3 in our future


The argument could be made that grunnie is doing all this to stockpile assets for cp3 or howard just in case Lin doesn't work (assuming match).
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Post#2210 » by wasted_101 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:14 am

SMAC-K wrote:
wasted_101 wrote:is cp3 in our future


So we wont match Lin because of Luxury Taxes, but we will take on CP3's contract?

lin wasn't matched? and cp3 would make us title contenders
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Post#2211 » by E86 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:14 am

Is it possible to do a S&T for Lin? Maybe we can pick up C.Lee or Kevin Martin.
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Post#2212 » by knickfan212 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:17 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:
wasted_101 wrote:is cp3 in our future


The argument could be made that grunnie is doing all this to stockpile assets for cp3 or howard just in case Lin doesn't work (assuming match).


I could see a few reasons,

-Stockpiling assets when possible, because the new CBA makes it very difficult to attain players.

-Adding as much as ball distributors possible on this team

-Not go in to the playoffs with Mike Bibby as your starter because your other point guards were all injured.

Many reasons that he could be doing this.
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Post#2213 » by gmoney411 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:18 am

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gmoney411 wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:As has been pointed out and it's something I'm going to expand upon a little bit, there is really no logical reason not to match unless Lin doesn't want to be here. James Dolan payed considerably more than the proposed luxury tax figure to field terrible Knicks teams (and this was at the same time he was paying even more ridiculous money to field terrible Rangers teams) without batting an eyelid. He and his family have only gotten wealthier since that point and the Rangers don't cost near as much in salary due to the NHL salary cap system. Plus Lin is worth a ton of money in revenue. There is only 1 reason not to match and it is if Lin prefers Houston.


Dolan is a serious businessman and businessmen normally don't just take a slap in the face. Assuming that Lin did take the news of the matching back to Houston and got a higher deal it is something that will end up costing James Dolan $20MM in year three or more. Maybe Dolan considers it a smart savvy move by Lin and respects it and moves on or maybe he gets pissed and says screw Lin. Immediately signing Felton points to the latter but who knows.


So Dolan letting his emotion and ego get better himself to not only screw Lin but screw the Knicks shows he's good businessman?


Depends on if you think Dolan thinks Lin is a definite star player that he thinks will continue to make him lots of money while playing well. If it's close or a toss up in his head for the amount of money it will cost to keep him, Lin screwing him over could be the deciding factor. Good businessmen will back away from a deal and find another one that they feel is just as good or close if they feel like the other party screwed them over.
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Post#2214 » by E86 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:24 am

Lin going with the bait and switch contract just shows you where his heart is. We added 2 great veteran players and Lin goes along with Houston knowing it would cause them luxury tax hell to match. Say what you want about Raymond Felton but I'm taking the player that actually wants to play for my favorite team ten out of ten times in this situation.
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Post#2215 » by MaseInYourFace » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:25 am

Dolan Let Grun bring Camby back. I really think Dolan is just making the big money acquisition decisions and letting grun do his bball thing. Dolan wants to win a title.
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Post#2216 » by E86 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:30 am

I don't get what people have against Felton, either. He played well here. He wanted to be here. He was focused being here. He got traded twice in the last year and a half, and to crappy Blazer team at that. People will talk crap about Felton for not caring playing on a team he doesn't want to play for while they orgasm at the thought of Dwight Howard who equally didn't give a crap about his team. Why? Because Howard is a better player? He gets a pass? No, it's human nature. If you hate your job you're not going to be efficient or motivated. Same with basketball. Get over it, NBA players are people too.
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Post#2217 » by kmav23 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:31 am

150 pages so far...shows lins marketing value
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Post#2218 » by E86 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:34 am

Houston might need Lin dollars, but the Knicks really don't. And we certainly don't need shytheads that try to screw over the team.
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Post#2219 » by MaseInYourFace » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:34 am

Another thing Nyets have Deron. Now you know that gets under Dolan's craw.
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Post#2220 » by kmav23 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:35 am

Sorry fans don't want to watch 40 year old play! Or fat point guards!

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