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Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2)

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#501 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:56 pm

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Futureisnow wrote:If the reports about Lin working as a double agent of sorts are true then his time here is over. One thing Dolan has zero tolerance with is any sort of insubordination.


Dolan is in charge of multi-million (billion?) dollar corporation, you can't be seen as weak or someone you can walk all over. He's not going to let some kid treat him like a fool. Just the way it is.

Well he's going to look real weak when Lin continues to play well and generate revenue for Houston. Will be interested to see how MSG shareholders feel about Dolan's insecurity causing their share value to define. Hopefully they sue the **** out of him and have him removed from his position.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#503 » by GetItDone » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#504 » by Blueberry » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

Why Lin has the edge over Felton at PG

The Knicks acquiring Raymond Felton could signal the departure of Jeremy Lin.

But is that the right move? ESPN Stats & Info says no, utilizing Synergy Sports technology.

Offensively, Lin is more efficient in pick-and-rolls, isolation and jumpers off the dribble, and he's more efficient on defense.

Here's a quick breakdown:

Pick-and-rolls -- Lin and Felton both relied on pick-and-rolls more than any other play type last season. It’s one of Lin’s least-efficient play types, but Felton was worse than Lin. Only three of the 41 players with at least 200 pick-and-roll ball-handler plays scored fewer points per play than Felton, who went to the free throw line nearly three times less often than Lin.

Isolations -- Isolation plays are where Lin excels. He scored the third-most points per play of the 91 players with at least 75 isolation plays last season. Felton ranked 68th. Felton turned the ball over on isolation plays more than twice as often as Lin, who turned it over on 6.5 percent of those plays, the 10th-lowest turnover rate among the 91 players.

Jumpers off the dribble -- Lin is better with the ball in his hands. Last season, he shot 32.7 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers, including 35.9 percent on unguarded catch-and-shoot jumpers. But he shot 47.9 percent on jumpers off the dribble. Of the 102 players who attempted at least 90 jumpers off the dribble, only Stephen Curry and Steve Nash shot a higher field-goal percentage than Lin (47.9). Felton ranked 85th of those 102 players, shooting just 32.7 percent.

Transition -- Lin and Felton, who scored the exact same amount of transition points per play, were both very inefficient on transition plays last season. Jamal Crawford and Al-Farouq Aminu were the only two players with fewer points per transition play of the 130 players with at least 50 plays.

Passing -- As far as passing on pick-and-roll plays, Lin and Felton are almost identical. Felton passed the ball on 54 percent of his pick-and-roll plays, while Lin passed it 53 percent of the time. And both players’ teammates had nearly the same field-goal percentage and points per play on those passes. Felton passed it to the roll men more often, while Lin hit the cutters and spot-up shooters more often.

Felton passed the ball more often (29 percent) on isolation plays than Lin (17 percent). Lin was better at passing to cutters on isolation plays, resulting in a higher field-goal percentage and more points per play by his teammates on those passes. But with Lin’s high efficiency on isolation plays, it may not be such a bad thing that he only passes the ball on 17 percent of his isolation plays.

Defense -- Lin held opponents to fewer points per play and a lower field-goal percentage (37.8) last season than Felton (41.6). Of the 235 players to defend at least 300 plays, Lin allowed the 78th-fewest points per play, while Felton ranked 133rd.

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#505 » by SelbyCobra » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#506 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:they better match lin just for the sake of this board. sh*t's about to hit the fan.



Nah I'm good lol. I love the Knicks but this would scare me straight & away.

I'll hold off till we know more. But this does look bad as of now, as you agree. The signs are bad.

But there's still time for the Knicks to wake up and not kill themselves off.

One thing though -- not calling Phil, wanting JR back so badly, now trading for Felton ... maybe it is just a pattern of horrible decision-making. It could just be that our collective IQ is low and we don't get it.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#507 » by j4remi » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

Let me just make this statement...I hate the move for Felton. I have panned the guy repeatedly all throughout this FA ordeal. I don't think picking him up was a smart move by Grunwald...that said...Lin's contract situation has not been decided, he may be back, he might not...I'll be a Knicks fan at the end of the day ANY WAY. My loyalty is to the team and it's history, not any one player.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#508 » by knicks742 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

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Post#509 » by DaLeeDa » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#510 » by Im Coming Home » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

Knick4Real wrote:Oh yeah??

Just like CP3 to the Lakers was DONE.

D12 staying in Orlando for 12-13 season was DONE.

D12 to the Nets was DONE.

Point is, nothing is DONE until it's factual and on paper. So far, no one has produced FACT or PAPER. So, unless Felton himself told you this PERSONALLY and you truly put that much credibility into what someone who isn't even a KNICK yet says, it is not DONE...it is simply hearsay, rumor and overreaction!



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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#511 » by Knicker23 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:this is misplaced anger. if they don't match lin it has nothing to do with melo. stop it.


True. But he'll be the scapegoat if they don't.
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Post#512 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:58 pm

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#513 » by GetItDone » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:58 pm

Why is Dicks already doing a 75% off of Lin stuff?

I might grab some **** just in case we match.
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Post#514 » by Smoke24 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:58 pm

TDcraz5 wrote:goddamn smoke....who shall that be?!?!


Idk, but this board needed this :D
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#515 » by Woodsanity » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:58 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Deron is so overrated in RealGM it's pathetic. A healthy "superstar" should be able to take a bunch of scrubs to the 8th seed, he couldn't even do that with the Nets and was unmotivated 70% of the time last season. And yes I'm sure you rather have all of his low efficient scoring over Melo. Get real.

This. Chris Paul takes a massive steamy dump on Deron. Deron is still elite don't get me wrong but people have to stop acting like he is clearly better than Pgs like Rondo, TP, WB, and Rose. He hasn't proven anything and his stats are not good enough to justify him being better than those pgs.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#516 » by moocow007 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:59 pm

putiger78 wrote:I don't see an reason to believe that Lin "wanted to leave NY"... what, he was supposed to turn down the extra money to not "screw the Knicks"???

Yeah because athletes do that all the time. Gimme a break folks.


All he needed to do was apparently just start with that 3 year deal. Changing it once it comes out and a reaction gotten was in poor taste. Unless Melo called him and said "what are you crazy? Theyll match...ask for more!!" (and i would not be surprised that some of you knuckleheads thinks that could have happened) its all Lin, his agent and Morey bringing this confrontation on. Sure they could have been surprised at the apparent knick reaction (see Lins comments expressing same) but how on earth does Melo become the focal point of this? I mean honestly how dense are some of you people?
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Post#517 » by Pharmcat » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:00 pm

even if NY is mad at lin, which i would understand, they still need to match it and trade him a year later if they want to


last night i really didnt consider not matching him, but now Im believing it more and like I said, there has to be a issue that ticked the team off
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#518 » by SelbyCobra » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:00 pm

Wow, I said last night that Jeffries needed to get paid in the Felton deal, but it looks like it might really be costing us...

Possible details of Blazers-Knicks deal could be Knicks sending Kostas Papanikolaou to Blazers and $$ to help pay for Jeffries' $3.1M salary
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#519 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:00 pm

@jwquick

Possible details of Blazers-Knicks deal could be Knicks sending Kostas Papanikolaou to Blazers and $$ to help pay for Jeffries' $3.1M salary
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2) 

Post#520 » by K_ick_God » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:00 pm

god shammgod wrote:this is misplaced anger. if they don't match lin it has nothing to do with melo. stop it.



No, it doesn't have anything to do with Melo if we let Lin go.

But it still shows stupidity on Melo's part, and it indicates possible selfishness > Doesn't think we need Lin that badly, doesn't consider himself overpaid but thinks Lin earning $5M less for one season is ridiculous.

It's a bad sign. I almost feel like even if Lin comes back, Melo thinks of himself as way better than he really is and that's ... scary. C'mon you know what I'm talking about. I feel like we found out something today we didn't know before -- Melo thinks he's closer to a LeBron-level player than he really is.

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