Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2)

Post #641 » by **duetta** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:28 pm

After the way he stunk up the joint in Portland, I can't understanding any team giving up any asset to acquire Felton.

Post #642 » by **K_ick_God** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:28 pm

N8isScofield wrote:
Did TKF possess you two? This is terrible.

OK let me ask you honestly and without bias -- you don't think it's wrong for Melo to call a player who may still be on his team (we hope) a "ridiculous contract"? That's not being selfish and/or a bad teammate?

froyo · Post #643 » by **froyo** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:28 pm

If the Knicks let Lin walk, I'll be disgusted. But I won't get too worked up about it until it happens. Maybe MSG stock tanks and the Knicks come to their senses and match a couple days later. Then we can hear all the PR spins on it after.

Anotha Knicks fan · Post #644 » by **Anotha Knicks fan** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:28 pm

My mini rant...

This ish is crazy. I can't believe how we always end up one upping it every off season in the headline department. Why can't the team run with what we've got, and keep things on an even keel? Up until now, I applaud the moves Grunnie has made, and imagined we were going in the right direction.

Granted, nothing has been done yet, and I imagine we won't hear anything until Tuesday anyways. Whether it be by plan or default, there's really no reason to do otherwise.

I don't hate Jeremy for making moves and getting more loot. I don't. Every other star has that opportunity. Most take it, some don't. Those that don't have their motives as well. Can't fault them either way.

I don't hate the Knicks front office for doing what they have to do, but... I also feel like my fandom is coming to an end as well. I was heartbroken when Ewing was traded. Hated Spree was traded. Didn't really like it when we traded Kurt. Felt horrified when we traded all those guys for our horse. Don't like that we are losing Jefferies. I don't know... ish is going backwards. Maybe the FO knows more than I do in letting those guys walk. I just can't imagine following a team that does nothing but heart break, and does nothing to improve their state. It seems like the teams' only function is to remain relevant in the news, and do so so. For the longest we've been crap, and just when we are about to turn the page, it seems we close the door a little more. It's not completely shut, but we will make it harder to fit if we keep shutting it like this.

Might start reevaluating where my loyalties lay after Tuesday. Not just because of what may or may not happen with Lin, but because it is getting harder and harder to back a team that keeps shooting itself in it's foot.

20+ years. Been through some good... much more bad. The river's looking inviting.

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #645 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:29 pm

Red Vines wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:This is a DARK, DARK day for the Knicks franchise. We may still be a good team, but this crushes our championship hopes...and it crushes the hope of the fans. We will be cursed. This team cannot be looked at the same...there will always be a negative energy with this team and its fanbase, especially when Lin fulfills his potential in HOU.

Go give your Jeremy Lin Fathead a hug.

Oh please... this is much bigger than Lin. This is about the Knicks always ditching youth and putting too much faith in overconfident chuckers like Felton.

DaLeeDa · Post #646 » by **DaLeeDa** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:29 pm

DocZaius wrote:
DaLeeDa wrote:Question: If the Knicks sign Lin. How hard is it to trade him with a poison pill 3rd year? Will other teams have to fork out 14.9 million for the 3rd year like we will or can they average out the remaining years like Houston could?

he's still incredibly tradable

Teams would actually trade for him with a poison pill contract?
Even for me that's hard to believe. Which is why I was thinking if they could average out his contract instead of having a giant balloon payment that it would be easier to trade him if necessary.

No35 · Post #647 » by **No35** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:
Did TKF possess you two? This is terrible.

OK let me ask you honestly and without bias -- you don't think it's wrong for Melo to call a player who may still be on his team (we hope) a "ridiculous contract"? That's not being selfish and/or a bad teammate?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75rahCgo-u8[/youtube]

Westbrook looks positively diplomatic by comparison

CoolKids · Post #648 » by **CoolKids** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:
Did TKF possess you two? This is terrible.

OK let me ask you honestly and without bias -- you don't think it's wrong for Melo to call a player who may still be on his team (we hope) a "ridiculous contract"? That's not being selfish and/or a bad teammate?

no thats being honest, it is a ridiculous contract we all know that

AmazingJason · Post #649 » by **AmazingJason** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

Red Vines wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:This is a DARK, DARK day for the Knicks franchise. We may still be a good team, but this crushes our championship hopes...and it crushes the hope of the fans. We will be cursed. This team cannot be looked at the same...there will always be a negative energy with this team and its fanbase, especially when Lin fulfills his potential in HOU.

Go give your Jeremy Lin Fathead a hug.

LOL, I am not as big a Lin fan as you think. There is still a decent chance that he ends up being a Darren Collison type PG...just average. But I don't ultimately believe he will because of what's he shown here. I'd rather take my chances with him than go to war with Fat Felton. I'm actually a little shocked that so many fans don't think Felton is an even bigger risk than Lin considering he's been a malcontent/underachiever for the past couple of years, as well as his weight and conditioning issues.

Post #650 » by **Brooklyn_Yards** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

Mike deserves the credit for us (Jeremy, Novak, Jared) getting paid.

Post #651 » by **K_ick_God** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

duetta wrote:After the way he stunk up the joint in Portland, I can't understanding any team giving up any asset to acquire Felton.

Yeah he was awful. Even this Greek guy could turn out to be decent and then you're giving up too much.

Felton is really just a bad player. A dumb player. Can't shoot. Can defend a little, can drive a little. He's an adequate backup and that's it. You can get adequate backups elsewhere.

But I get the sense that Dolan is personally offended and Grunwald is just doing what he can to fill in the blanks -- patch a hole -- it's an emergency for Grunwald. Can't blame him.

bklynstoops · Post #652 » by **bklynstoops** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

duetta wrote:After the way he stunk up the joint in Portland, I can't understanding any team giving up any asset to acquire Felton.

that's what happens when you're desperate to cut your nose off to spite your face.

juxtaposition · Post #653 » by **juxtaposition** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

Disclaimer: I like Lin and Melo.

People are arguing that Lin should have the same response Melo got when he chose to try to get more money. And this is true, double standards suck IMO. I'm not referring to those posters.

The "yay I just creamed my pants because Lin's gone this is the best day of my life!!111" is not indicative of fans upset about money issues or skill level or experience. It's actual hate for him as a person. What's up with that?

Grinditout · Post #654 » by **Grinditout** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

taj2133 · Post #655 » by **taj2133** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:31 pm

little bit shocked that some of our players haven't come out and defended lin such jr smith, shumpert, amare , novak and chandler haven't come out said anything about his contract it pretty telling when your teammates haven't talked about you.

crazybranman360 · Post #656 » by **crazybranman360** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:31 pm

polarbears815 wrote:Well, this was basically Lin's rookie year so unless you don't believe he will improve, I guess you could say that. I definitely think Lin will improve. Also who knows what shape Felton is going to be in? If he's fat now, it already signals a lack of motivation.

I would argue that Lin overachieved. I don't see him finishing at the same level he did and he takes such a beating i'm not sure he's going to consistantly healthy throughout his career.

As far as Felton goes, I think that "fatness" had a lot to do with the lockout. He didn't really know when or if the season was going to start so he couldn't really get into a consistent training regime. At least thats my educated guess

Post #657 » by **K_ick_God** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:32 pm

CoolKids wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:
Did TKF possess you two? This is terrible.

OK let me ask you honestly and without bias -- you don't think it's wrong for Melo to call a player who may still be on his team (we hope) a "ridiculous contract"? That's not being selfish and/or a bad teammate?

no thats being honest, it is a ridiculous contract we all know that

So should players who have teammates who are playing badly say, "He sucks right now. Just sucks"?

They are being honest.

So I ask you, honestly and with no emotion, is it being a good teammate to say the above about a teammate who is struggling?

god shammgod · Post #658 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:32 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:
Did TKF possess you two? This is terrible.

OK let me ask you honestly and without bias -- you don't think it's wrong for Melo to call a player who may still be on his team (we hope) a "ridiculous contract"? That's not being selfish and/or a bad teammate?

it's not smart but athletes for the most part aren't smart. they say stupid sh*t all the time. do i think he was trying to insult jeremy, no. i think he wants him to come back.

ibraheim718 · Post #659 » by **ibraheim718** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:32 pm

CoolKids wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
N8isScofield wrote:
Did TKF possess you two? This is terrible.

OK let me ask you honestly and without bias -- you don't think it's wrong for Melo to call a player who may still be on his team (we hope) a "ridiculous contract"? That's not being selfish and/or a bad teammate?

no thats being honest, it is a ridiculous contract we all know that

He's been in the league for a long time... he should be smart enough to know you don't comment on another players contract. Sorry, that's just the status quo in professional sports.

Fusionx50 · Post #660 » by **Fusionx50** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:32 pm

AmazingJason wrote:
Red Vines wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:This is a DARK, DARK day for the Knicks franchise. We may still be a good team, but this crushes our championship hopes...and it crushes the hope of the fans. We will be cursed. This team cannot be looked at the same...there will always be a negative energy with this team and its fanbase, especially when Lin fulfills his potential in HOU.

Go give your Jeremy Lin Fathead a hug.

LOL, I am not as big a Lin fan as you think. There is still a decent chance that he ends up being a Darren Collison type PG...just average. But I don't ultimately believe he will because of what's he shown here. I'd rather take my chances with him than go to war with Fat Felton. I'm actually a little shocked that so many fans don't think Felton is an even bigger risk than Lin considering he's been a malcontent/underachiever for the past couple of years, as well as his weight and conditioning issues.

My main concern with Felton is how Kidd is going to handle this. The DWI is a bad start. From his press conference it really sounded like he signed here so he can mentor Lin. I don't think he would be happy backing Felton up. We are going two "floor generals" that doesn't get along. Can't be good for team morale