Official Speculation Thread (Pt.XXXIX Off-Season Edition)

[cvMagic]

Jeremey Lin is Chinese. The fans in China love Dwight. Now I see what Houston is doing here lol..

And they still have all those leftover Yao Rockets' jerseys.

[Deezy]

I'd swap Redick for Hamilton and a protected first round pick. Both expiring. They wanted Redick 3 years ago.

Agreed.

Actually, I'd offer them a Rip for JRich swap first. Or Rip/pick for JJ/QRich.

[TheXFactor]

I get the longer you wait, the more leverage you will get, but it's getting to the point where teams have to worry about their own teams in the free agency market and move on.

[cvMagic]

I'll believe it when I see it in regards to the Knicks allowing Lin to walk. It's just not going to happen.

I agree - he is worth 20x that contract in overseas marketing. Since when have the Knicks been about winning? I vaguely remember a decent stretch in the nineties. Or was that just a boring dream?

Money will prevail and Lin will be matched.

[cvMagic]

The way Stephen A talks, you'd think he had beef with Rob Hennigan.

I'm no Stephen A hater, but he's only seeing this situation from one point of view. Sure, D12 wanted to go to BRK and won't sign an extension in LA or HOU. BUT, it's completely unrelated if the offer from the Nets was bull. The Magic do not have to cater to D12 if it cripples our franchise in the process. Stephen A isn't seeing this from the Magic's end.

Stephen A is fun at times.

But he is without question the most pro-player analyst in the game. He thinks it's in the best interest of the game to have 4 or 5 super teams rather than parity.

Guess he's never heard of the NFL.

[ThatFloridaDude]

I get the longer you wait, the more leverage you will get, but it's getting to the point where teams have to worry about their own teams in the free agency market and move on.

100%. When is Free Agency up?

[JTurbo]

Did I read it correctly that we have to trade Dwight to another team before the season starts for that team to aquire his bird rights and bein able to offer him extra year & $? Did I misunderstand and a team could still get his bird rights in a trade during the season?

[Nolimit1211]

I'd swap Redick for Hamilton and a protected first round pick. Both expiring. They wanted Redick 3 years ago.

Agreed.

Actually, I'd offer them a Rip for JRich swap first. Or Rip/pick for JJ/QRich.

The Magic board never fails. It's like clockwork.

[cvMagic]

I get the longer you wait, the more leverage you will get, but it's getting to the point where teams have to worry about their own teams in the free agency market and move on.

100%. When is Free Agency up?

October / November
But teams can sign UFA as long as they want.
Pickings are slim to none by August.

[Deezy]

The Magic board never fails. It's like clockwork.

Reading comprehension: Like clockwork, it never fails.

[Nolimit1211]

The Magic board never fails. It's like clockwork.

Reading comprehension: Like clockwork, it never fails.

J.Rich:
-Bad Contract
-Career Low in FG%
-Career Low in RPG
-Career Low in SPG
-Career Low in PPG

For

Rip Hamilton:
-Expiring Contract

Explain to me how that's even remotely fair. You have horribly lopsided trades and then get mad when you get called out, please stop.

[MrOrlando]

From Mike Bianchi's column from this morning. I thought it was an interesting read. No news, just his opinion.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... ex-martins

"If Dwight Howard changed his mind again and decided to sign a long-term extension in Orlando, Magic fans would refuse to forgive him and wouldn't welcome him back with open arms."

Puh-leeze

This humongous whopper actually emanated from the mouths and Twitter accounts of Magic fans earlier this week when ESPN reported that new general manager Rob Hennigan spoke with Dwight and tried to convince him to reconsider his trade request and sign long-term with the Magic.

"We would be no better than an abused spouse who never wants to press charges," tweeted one fan.

"Too much damage has been done," tweeted another.

"Why on earth would you even want him at this point?" said another.

Um, maybe because he's the best big man on the planet by a million miles?

Don't kid yourself, Magic fans. You are like the guy who has been dumped by the woman he loves. You have gone through denial, depression and anger. But guess what? If she ever changes her mind and wants to come back, you know what you'll say? "I love you, Baby! Welcome home!!!"

And it's not just Magic fans; it's the Magic front office, too. If the ESPN report is accurate about Hennigan and CEO Alex Martins calling Dwight about getting back together, isn't this essentially Magic management saying to Dwight, "Hey, Big Fella, we can work it out."

Granted, it seems almost impossible at this point that Dwight would consider a Magic reconciliation, but, then again, it seemed almost impossible in March that he would waive his right to free agency and "opt-in" for another year. The fact is Dwight has sold Central Florida more flip-flops than Ron Jon Surf Shop.

And if he were thinking clearly and not getting bad advice, he would change his mind one last time and come back to Orlando where he belongs; where he will be loved like he can never be loved anywhere else. It would be the best thing for him — personally, professionally and financially.

Believe me, it wouldn't take much to make Dwight a hero again in Orlando. All that would have to happen is the Magic calling a huge news conference downtown with balloons and dignitaries and Mayor Buddy Dyer there to present Dwight with the key to the city.

Oh god, everything about that article made my head hurt. Sayings like "Burned too many bridges" and "You made your bed now lie in it" exist for instances like this. Neither Magic fans or the Magic F/O asked for this. This is all 100% on Dwight. We never wanted Dwight to leave, but in any relationship if the other says "I want to move on to better things", then you chunk deuce and tell'em get their **** out before the end of the day or it ends up in the dumpster, on fire.

This idiot acts like we're the ones who rejected Dwight to begin with. Dwight brought all of this drama and hatred upon himself. Like a teenage girl, he does not know what he wants, but he's spat on and turned his back on all of the people who supported him by wanting out. Good riddance. The Magic's F/O is doing US a disservice by trying to keep Dwight here. Nobody f****** wants him here anymore after this. We want a clear start, and if it means shipping him out for some cap relief and draft picks, then so be it.

The sooner Dwight is out of Orlando, the sooner we can move on. This is not like Shaq, it's not even close. With Shaq we thought we had a chance, with Dwight he's let us know there's no chance and stomped his feet like a toddler with a tantrum at Wal Mart because he can't get something he wants. Move on Orlando, I just wish every fan expressed this to the Magic front office.

[ThatFloridaDude]

The Magic board never fails. It's like clockwork.

Reading comprehension: Like clockwork, it never fails.

J.Rich:
-Bad Contract
-Career Low in FG%
-Career Low in RPG
-Career Low in SPG
-Career Low in PPG

For

Rip Hamilton:
-Expiring Contract

Explain to me how that's even remotely fair. You have horribly lopsided trades and then get mad when you get called out, please stop.

Lol yeah I don't see how that trade made any sense for the bulls.

[bigmoe1952]

Stephen A. Smith did a wonderful job embarrassing himself on SportsCenter this morning and into the early afternoon.

I agree. Adam. That was disgusting. Smith is a joke. I do think that the Magic can not be to patient because other teams will move on. They would be more willing to hang in there but Dwight has REALLY screwed this team with his "I will only resign with one team" garbage. He and his agent are first class jack asses. Howard could care less what kind of shape he leaves this franchise in. It has ALWAYS been about Dwight. He is severely damaging his brand, not to mention the Magic. But he does NOT care. Just as long as HE gets what he wants.

[Deezy]

The Magic board never fails. It's like clockwork.

Reading comprehension: Like clockwork, it never fails.

J.Rich:
-Bad Contract
-Career Low in FG%
-Career Low in RPG
-Career Low in SPG
-Career Low in PPG

For

Rip Hamilton:
-Expiring Contract

Explain to me how that's even remotely fair. You have horribly lopsided trades and then get mad when you get called out, please stop.

Offering is not a clear indication of a fair trade proposal. It's simply a negotiating standpoint.

And JRich at $5.8M is not a bad contract in today's game. He was the ~28th highest paid SG in the league last year and will be in the 20's again this season.

Take your blind hate elsewhere. Just because JRich had a bad season doesn't mean that he's suddenly this albatross contract you're portraying him to be. If you look at salary versus production, you can get worse than him. That's a fact.

[ThatFloridaDude]

Im going to stretch it , but I think it may come to a point where teams won't want to deal with the Orlando Magic period. They are going to get fed up with Orlando being greedy. Don't get me wrong I see and like how Rob is looking for the best deal, but he has to realize that Dwight Howard's value is not as high as it was last season (Before Injury and Brooklyn Complications)

1st. It was I Want a trade. no specific destination although brooklyn was included as well as Dallas or Lakers
2nd It was only brooklyn and dallas
3rd It was because he wanted out and he and the FO was no longer seeing eye to eye
4th It was because he wanted a bigger market
5th He changed his mind. ( i Wonder why to this day)

Then now he wants a trade again.

Now tell me, besides Houston , as we know, who else would want to deal with him? How much is he truly worth with the back injury and drama?
Is he worth 4 or 5 players or 1 and 2 players now due to his uncertainty..if that makes sense.

[ThatFloridaDude]

I'd swap Redick for Hamilton and a protected first round pick. Both expiring. They wanted Redick 3 years ago.

Agreed.

Actually, I'd offer them a Rip for JRich swap first. Or Rip/pick for JJ/QRich.

I wouldn't have an issue with the Highlighted part in Red.

But I think J Rich is more productive than Rip because he is not injured as much and can actually shoot 3 pointed legibly.

Not only that but Reddick and Rips contracts are somewhat closer and the most important thing is the bulls showed interest in JJ before. Not sure about If they showed interests in Jason though.

[Nolimit1211]

And JRich at $5.8M is not a bad contract in today's game.

Eight years on this site and you still don't know a thing about basketball.

[Michael Lucky]

I get the longer you wait, the more leverage you will get, but it's getting to the point where teams have to worry about their own teams in the free agency market and move on.

The longer they wait the less leverage they have actually. lol

[pogiro]

Yup. The offers just aren't worth it. The initial rumored Houston deal, with 3 or 4 1st round picks, taking Hedo, Duhon, Jrich, sending over Parsons, Martin, White, Lamb, etc... you can't turn that down. It's a great start to a rebuild. But if the actual deal is Parsons, a pick, only taking Jrich, n whatever making it significantly less, the Magic won't be in that much better position than if they just let Dwight go. In that case, might as well hang on to him n see if Dwight changes again.

its not a great, position, but how can you think the Magic wouldnt be in a better position. Parsons more athletic and better all around player than Hedo right now. pick would be another player, J-Rich off the books and team no longer has to deal with Fegan. I would imagine there would have to be at least 1 more pick or player.

That is better than nothing.. Do you jump on that offer, of course not, but it is something.

And i cant believe some of you really think that Dwight is going to change his mind and want to stay.

I didn't say it wouldn't be better, just not that better. There's gotta be a minimum. Would you trade Dwight for two 2nd round draft picks if that were the only offer out there? It's "better than nothing".

I don't expect him to change his mind, wish people would stop assuming that when they read my posts. But you don't trade the CHANCE that he will (and I don't give a damn how definite you guys are that he won't, there's a chance) for Parsons, a pick, and them taking Jrich. They're getting the best big man in the game, you make them pay accordingly.