Wizards vs. Rockets GT, 10 PM EST

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Coming to these game threads for Summer league has been interesting. Just yesterday Satoransky couldn't score in a whore house with a million in gold bullion, and had the athletics God gave a tortoise. He wasn't even capable of selling hotdogs at an NBA game, let alone selling himself as a player. Now he's "Bonafide" with NBA athletics and a shot sent from heaven.

Perhaps its because I'm not one to over react, but making final pronouncements never seemed like a great idea.

The question about Satoransky has not been "can he play" or even "is he any good"? The question has been "was he a good pick, a value pick, at #32 in a draft full of guys at that pick who would unquestionably have been round 1 picks most years?" (i.e. were available in rd2/2012 because so many guys stayed out of the 2011 draft)

If you believe he would have been available at our thrown-away #46 pick, as I do, then what he did yesterday isn't an answer to the question. The answer lies in what the guy you think we should have picked does -- what Crowder or Barton or whoever does.

Then you can compare Satoransky, over time, to other guys who might have been chosen in his place -- e.g. O'Quinn or Denmon.

I totally get and agree with that position. But reading the last game thread, this is not the vibe you pick up. Apparently Satoransky didn't have the best game. The complaints weren't about him not being good value, they were questioning whether the dude could walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Kanyewest]

^^ I agree that sentiment. I understand that people are upset with the pick as there were several promising players that many on the board wanted. At the same time though, I can see why the Wizards' took him given the flashes he's shown.

As a whole I understand the sentiment when EG takes an international player over a known NCAA prospect because there is a lot of uncertainty since no one has seen play.

But given the rise of Kevin Seraphin, I have learned to be more patient with the Wizards front office. Even Jan Vesley has shown flashes with improvement with that 18 foot jumper, and he had a lot of doubters as well at this time last year (although in reality he still has to prove this improvement in the regular season).

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He's probably just Summer League filler, but Steven Gray looked good last night. Played under control, got others involved, his shot looked good. Not sure if he's enough of an athlete to play for us though.

[jimij]

Lamb reminds me of Nick Young. Looks more of a scorer than a well-rounded offensive player. He'll probably be a 15-18 point scorer in this league.

Lamb had 26 points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals and 4 turnovers. That is Nick Young stats line for sure.

Nah, that's about three rebounds too high....

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He's probably just Summer League filler, but Steven Gray looked good last night. Played under control, got others involved, his shot looked good. Not sure if he's enough of an athlete to play for us though.

Yeah, he looks like a very smart player who probably isn't athletic enough for the NBA. And then when I went to DR to look him up, sure enough that's what they say about him!

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The complaints ...were questioning whether... (Satoransky) could walk and chew gum at the same time.

Everybody thinks they are a GM. Ernie has seen him walk and chew gum simultaneously. Well, not Ernie -- someone on his staff.

On the other hand, I have learned from intensive scouring of the Web that Will Barton can chew three more brands of gum while walking than Satoransky. In fact, according to one source, Satoransky didn't "chew" gum while walking -- he stepped on it. Very different, my friend -- not the same thing at all.

Not too mention that it is said of Crowder that he can "step on gum and chew it at the same time." Not many can do that.

Of course we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out, right?

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...I have learned to be more patient with the Wizards front office.

We were 20-46 last year. 23-59 the year before. 26-56 the year before that. And 19-63 the year before that.

For the combined 4-years leading up to that mess, we were 196-214.

I don't feel all that patient, and I don't know why you would.

[DCZards]

As a whole I understand the sentiment when EG takes an international player over a known NCAA prospect because there is a lot of uncertainty since no one has seen play.

But given the rise of Kevin Seraphin, I have learned to be more patient with the Wizards front office. Even Jan Vesley has shown flashes with improvement with that 18 foot jumper, and he had a lot of doubters as well at this time last year (although in reality he still has to prove this improvement in the regular season).

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I have no idea hiow good Satoransky will turn out to be or whether he'll turn out to be better than Crowder, Barton or others who were available when he was drafted. But a lot of the angst regarding the Satoransky pick has to do with the fact that he was an unknown commodity while the others were players that most of us had seen play and formed opinions about.

[Knighthonor]

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hey lamb seen on the run... so did MKG the other night.

whats the next game?

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Love these NBA.com recaps

[Dat2U]

But given the rise of Kevin Seraphin, I have learned to be more patient with the Wizards front office. Even Jan Vesley has shown flashes with improvement with that 18 foot jumper, and he had a lot of doubters as well at this time last year (although in reality he still has to prove this improvement in the regular season).

Seraphin is the exception, not the rule. Most quality NBA players will show something their rookie year that tells you they may be eventually good. In fact, generally if your going to be any good, you'll be pretty decent to start with. Seraphin was terrible and showed very little other than being quick on his feet and having a willingness to be physical. His breakout towards the second half of last season was nothing short of amazing. And we still need to see further improvement and continued development to see if he's going to be a legit starter in this league or more a rotation big off the bench.

And secondly, you've always shown patience with regards to the coaching staff (remember the years of EJ debates) and the front office. IMO to a fault. You've always been one to give more credence to the opinion of the basketball insiders who have wrongly (for the most part) praised the Wizards front office, coaching staff and past moves. And of all 30 teams in the league, no front office deserves less patience than this one.

Ernie getting the Seraphin pick right doesn't change my opinion of him nor does it make him a good GM. Even the worst GM of all time, Wes Unseld, made some solid draft choices (Rip) & found a diamond in the rough (Ben Wallace).

[Dat2U]

hands, I predict White will ride a tremendous amout of pine this season. He's going to have to pick splinters from his uniform bottoms. Jones can play but White is brutal IMO.

I long thought White's game would have trouble translating to this level. No NBA coach is going to run the offense through him like Hoiberg did at Iowa State. He can't shoot, he's incredibly TO prone and he's undersized as a PF. He's got a very interesting skill set (in terms of ball-handling & passing) but I don't see how you can conform it to an NBA style game considering his flaws.