Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2)

[Knicker23]

you are grossly underestimating his pull in the asian market.

That's true... He'll be watched overseas whether he's in NY or Houston.. But even Yao Ming would have been worth more here.

And the difference is, Lin hasn't proven he's got Yao talent. IF he turns out to just be a good player, and not great etc, he'd have found it much easier (oddly enough) to make money in NY than he would as a decent / above avg player in Houston -- if that's what he turns out to be... He'd fade a lot quicker out there.

[kosmovitelli]

i just saw chandler and melo on sportcenter they basically said he got big contract from the rockets and said he has right to go wherever he wants to it seemed to me they were frustrated with rockets giving lin that big contract.

Let the Chandler hate start?? Right? Or is Melo the only bad guy?

Nah chandler is also a bad guy. It's very rare for the 2 best players on a team to have such serious difference with a 2nd-year player that they're willing to have the team get worse just to have that player off the team.

People are shrugging this off, but if this really boils down to bad blood that is beyond pathetic and raises serious doubts about whether our core has the mental-makeup foc us to contend.

Speculating obviously but it's probably some kind of jealousy. Lin came out of nowhere, undrafted (not a top 5 pick like Melo or Chandler) and he still turned around the team in february and almost saved D'Antoni's job. Then MDA was replaced, Lin injured and Knicks finished the season over 0.500 with Melo playing like an MVP candidate. These guys are probably upset Lin got so much media coverage. Lin is also a different player because he graduated from Harvard with a degree in economics. It's like Carlton Banks and Will Smith meeting in Bel-Air ! LOL

Anyway calling Lin's contract ridiculous is disrespectful for Lin and the Houston Rockets. Lin could strike back saying it's ridiculous Melo is paid more than Lebron. I don't think they meant harm but they were stupid. George Karl says hello...

[MKCATL]

I'm getting more of a kick out of the Chicken Littles panicking and getting all keyboard-angry-emo at the Knicks than I am upset about losing Lin.

He's a fan favorite..quit acting like he's not.

Did I say he wash't? I love the kid, I LVOED the story, I have season tickets and my 2 year old son and I wore matching Lin shirts to the games we attended.

But it's become very entertaining to see the laughable extremes people are going to in this thread in Lin's defense, in an effort to deify him and paint him as teflon level perfection.

It actually reminds me a lot of the way Penn State fans were defending JoePa prior to the Freeh report, like members of a cult.

Yea it's exactly like Joe Pa, good reference

[Quick Kick]

I want a public apology from GONYK who for months sneered and scoffed at everyone who suggested Lin wont be matched if he ends up walking.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

I dont understand how some posters are ok with this, and still have a great outlook on next season. Crushing the East? Really? How so? What are we doing that improves our position from last year? How many games did we win against the heat in the playoffs again?

Look, Im all for being the half glass full guy, and look towards the positives, but...
We can't overlook at the age of the players we've obtained this offseason. Add onto that the players we've lost to injuries from last season. Then you look at the rest of the changes....

I think we've attained some wisdom, which is great, but we won't have the legs to run this team if we dont tread carefully. I like Lin. I like what he did for us last season, and I rooted hard as hell for him last season... but I'd be ok if we lose him.... the smart way. We don't just let him walk. we cant.

It just doesnt' make sense. With as much percieved value he has, all dolan needs do is tell woody we're matching, but you're not playing him. Doesn't change how fans percieve dolan. We'll all still hate him, but at least he wouldn't be injuring Lin's trade value. At this point, all we can do is add minimums every offseason with the roster constructed as it is. Having a Lin trade chip can only help us attain someone else that makes that much money the next couple of seasons.

Am I wrong? Is this out of the realm of possibility? I mean seriously... I don't care where your allegiance lays pro lin or not.... what would be the negatives of keeping him with the intent of trading him post mid december if mgmt is unhappy with him?

[ITALIA17]

SAS speaking truth right now.

People bash SAS but there just morons. He always speaks common sense. People just dont like how upfront and truthful he is.

[Sky_Knicks]

Now all of a sudden Lin is a self-centered awful teammate !! Lmao

[3StarburyAriza21]

[quote="spre8well"][quote="JBreezeNY"][quote="Smokey9782"][quote="JBreezeNY"]You must've missed what what we're talking about. This isn't about the tweet this is about what Hahn said on the radio.[/quote]

Oh..... What'd he say?[/quote]

Hahn: teammates looked at Lin with a crooked eye last year because of his over-confidence, perceived lack of humility.[/quote]

o please.. show us a quote where Lin talks about himself after a win. It's always about the team, team defense, team effort when interviewed; he never once took credit for himself. But of course we all know who's all about himself on this team, ME, ME, MEEEEE-lo.[/quote]

Exactly. Watch any Lin interview and he immediately comes across as unbelievably humble. His "overconfidence" was what led him to drilling big shot after big shot down the stretch last year. I just don't think Melo was happy that his team became Jeremy's team.

[Christophersp10]

We never planned on matching Lin. Face it.

The Knicks had that fat fck Felton shoving hot dogs down his face since the fourth of July. He was telling people he was on his way to the Knicks, too. We made promises.

We never even brought Jeremy to the negotiating table. People made excuses: let him set his value, why even waste our time when he's getting more, etc. Even then, we shouted at the roof-tops, leaked like the exxon valdez that we'll match anything. Truly begging to be poison pilled, and then when he signs the contract we knew he was going to get, we smear the kid. Have our players GO ON SPORTSCENTER and feed us propaganda: calling it a ridiculous contract (why the hell are they even talking about this?!?!).

Make no mistake this was orchestrated. They're trying to spin a narrative that villaniazes Lin-- he took the money, what can we do (hey, you idiots, maybe actually make him an offer, let the kid know you WON'T match ANYTHING, THEN maybe he would've signed with you because hey he loves it in NY). But when you lie to the kid, the media, and then pull the rug out from under him-- it reaks. It reaks. The whole thing REAKS.

The lone kid getting paid 500k a last year, and Dolan pimped the living hell outta this kid, soaked and squeezed him for everything. Stock prices, ticket prices, web hits, jersey sales, and rating all up up up up up on the back of a kid who saw none of the profit. Dolan probably made NINE figures off Lin related, and now we can't overpay the kid 5-7 for ONE YEAR. Are you fckin kidding me!?!? All so we can be general'd by Raymond fckin Felton-- a journeyman with the talent of a back-up pg. INSANITY.

Felton played just as great as Lin did and was a borderline all star PG a year ago with the Knicks before he was traded.

[DocZaius]

SAS speaking truth right now.

People bash SAS but there just morons. He always speaks common sense. People just dont like how upfront and truthful he is.

you can't be serious

[CU_NY09]

In the end homie it's stil basketball, in the same league, playing the same game... he doesn't lose anything.

If only it were as simple as that.. No different than shooting hoops in the back yard... But that's not the case... Not even from a basketball standpoint is that true, because he'd be overblown or undersold here greater than he would be playing the same way elsewhere.. Unless he becomes Tim Tebow.

But they weren't talking about on the court play. They're talking about the stage, coverage, sponsorships sales etc that MSG brings that Houston simply won't. And that's true.

Knicker he don't lose playing in Houston... that's what I'm saying.

You are correct. He doesn't lose anything playing in Houston. He gets paid and plays the game he loves. Over the summer his HS coach (notice how this is a real person - talks to Lin on the regular, not just an unnamed source) was recently interviewed and said Lin turned down quite a few endorsement offers to focus on training because the endorsements took up too much time.

People act like he'll be lost without the ny market, he won't. He's turning down offers to focus on bball; he's not trying to be the next blake commercial king griffin.

[NOOB77]

Some of the stuff said in this thread is hilarious but sad at the same time.

[ITALIA17]

SAS speaking truth right now.

People bash SAS but there just morons. He always speaks common sense. People just dont like how upfront and truthful he is.

you can't be serious

I listen to SAS every weekday. So YES I am serious. Hes the only one with common sense

[DocZaius]

18-25 people

I hope you all remember where you were when we were at this point last season

[king billing]

So lets say the Knicks don't match, the Knicks are like 2nd round exists the next few years cause they have no guard who can penetrate and Lin becomes an All-Star in Houston, then what? Uhhh I STUCK WITH DA KNICKS DURF DURF GTFO. I'm done with this bull.

You better send a message to Lin to withdraw the offer sheet!! He made this ****, he has the power to redo all he did... Ask him to give up his 25M (tax included) 3rd year!!

Jeremy Lin doesn't get paid the luxury tax. He is getting paid 25 million over three years. Thats a fair deal.

Why don't you ask Melo to opt out and re-sign for less money.

I have a good idea, let's all give Shumpert a 15 million dollar 3rd year contract. Sounds fair, right?

[JBreezeNY]

o please.. show us a quote where Lin talks about himself after a win. It's always about the team, team defense, team effort when interviewed; he never once took credit for himself. But of course we all know who's all about himself on this team, ME, ME, MEEEEE-lo.

Exactly. Watch any Lin interview and he immediately comes across as unbelievably humble. His "overconfidence" was what led him to drilling big shot after big shot down the stretch last year. I just don't think Melo was happy that his team became Jeremy's team.

How in the fu*k is this about Melo? What the fu*k is wrong you two? That's what Hahn said don't get salty, check those sodium levels.

[K_ick_God]

I don't think Melo is really jealous of Lin but he obviously doesn't get how good Lin could be. I actually think he could well be a bargain at $8M per year.

Lin has some of the best upside at PG in the league for a young player. People are missing that. You are going to be sad when you see what he reaches -- he's going to be extremely good and maybe semi-great.

Melo is an idiot to say what he said -- there's no excusing it. Period. Dolan would be an idiot to give up Lin -- there would be no excusing that.

I have stood up for both of them in the past so I have credibility here -- I think they both have gotten some unfair criticism. But this would clearly be a sea change -- it would show just how toxic both of them are. Melo included because he apparently doesn't understand how badly he needs a PG or how talented Lin is in all the ways we badly need a floor general.

This would be a cruel, bitter and obvious line past which no rational fan could go. It'd be obvious how delusional and petty our decision-making processes have become ... and for many fans, the point of following them any longer would be ripped away. Furthermore, for the ones loyal and good enough to stick around (and I commend you for it), your fun would be ripped away too.

It would be an unmitigated disaster of such great proportions that it could not be overstated.

[Never Wrong]

SAS speaking truth right now.

People bash SAS but there just morons. He always speaks common sense. People just dont like how upfront and truthful he is.

you can't be serious

I listen to SAS every weekday. So YES I am serious. Hes the only one with common sense

Of course you'd agree with a person that has the same beliefs as you. You think a liberal would turn on Fox News and say "man this is some great programming"? A conservative watching MSNBC? KKK member watching BET? Come on man, THIS is common sense.

[DocZaius]

stop bringing up the luxury tax

is it all Lin's fault that we have to pay the lux tax?

are Melo, Amare, and Chandler playing for free that year? Did I miss something here?

[kosmovitelli]

IF Dolan really follows through with this (assuming that's the path we're on, and that's not 100%), well then:

You almost just have to throw up your hands and say that he's just one of these self-destructive and stupid people who will continually gravitate toward doing the wrong thing: repeating unthinkably idiotic mistakes over and over as a result of a character defect or psychological problem.

As much as I think Melo is a quality player who can be part of a great team (with the right deference), handing the keys to him alone is really not that much better than doing the same with Isiah and Marbury.

It's just a pattern of repeated behavior that is personal to that individual and entirely self-defeating.

There's no fan that should allow their emotions to be tied up in such a hopeless case.

Jimmy Dolan just pushed KnicksGod to join the dark side !