Done with NYK if Lin is not matched ?

[Bravery]

They put his name back on knicksnow...maybe that's a good sign he's coming back?

lol that site is trolling everyone

As for the topic - Sad reality is we were never going to win anything with or without Jeremy Lin. I've watched this organization fail time after time that it's almost a given what the end result will be. Lin is a good guy to root for however, so I can understand people being frustrated about this situation.

It seems that every year you have the loud mouth pundits ripping the team to shreds, every year we overpay on some kind of trade because of Dolan and every year we underachieve. Sometimes you have to sit back and say that we did this to ourselves.

And even despite that, I still remain a Knick fan. I've already come to terms that I'll always watch their games despite the horrible decisions they've made over the years - I've invested too much of my time to stop now, I guess. But let's face it - Keeping and losing Jeremy still doesn't change the fact that we will never win a title when you have the Lakers and Heat get giftwrapped trades and pushing everyone else off the top of the mountain. This isn't a Knick issue but a league-wide problem.

[Fury]

The 79 people who said YES should evaluate their lives. ITS JUST A GAME in the end. I am a true NYK fan and I wont be done with them before they didnt overpay a player.

Exactly, it's just a game. Why would I continually put up with this ****?

[j4remi]

It doesn't make perfect sense when you lose your starting PG. That's like making these moves for backups then not bringing back Melo. We need everyone to have a shot, especially Lin and **** this track record. Felton's track record is that he sucks.

13.4 ppg 6.7 apg 1.4 spg 2.6 TO's Felton's career.

14.6 ppg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg 3.6 TO's Lin's season numbers last season.

Felton's track record stands up to Lin's season pretty fairly...guess Lin sucks too?

[adrenaLINe]

the title of the thread is subjective to each person...

and will mean different things to a long time 20 year fan

vs a bandwagon fan like myself...

im sure when a 20 year die hard fan says he is done... means... he give up on the team...

for me it means.... im done with cheering for the team when you are playing against the Rox... but dosent mean I wont watch what ever games I see on TV...

and ill probably cheer for the Knicks if they are playing any other team especially Miami

anyways before Lin I was catching maybe 2 games a year on TV

with Lin I saw 3 NYK games in 1 week

im sure that will go back to normal

[spaceballer]

Just because I'm a New Yorker doesn't mean I have to be a blind Dolan follower.

This isn't a business or basketball move, it's because Dolan got his ego hurt. Lin easily pays for own salary and then some, and there's no reason to let him walk, since you can't spend his bird rights exception on another player anyway, and retaining him doesn't affect cap flexibility. It's all because Jimmy Dolan wants to play weekend GM and tie Grunnie's hands after getting peeved at Houston's last minute maneuvers.

That pretty much puts the lie to the line of "going all in." More like going "all in till Dolan's ego gets in the way" and he interferes again. There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

Fat Felton is not taking us to the promise land. And if the Knicks have proven that they're not in it to win it, but just to stoke Dolan's ego and have him capriciously dip in and out of mangling affairs, why should I follow along?

Especially when the FO isn't even playing fair. Look at Alan Hahns absolute reversal between yesterday and today in attitude. He gave his opinion about why he thinks we should retain and not let him walk for free, being rather neutral in his analysis. Then, today, he goes on a PR blitz trying to do a character assassination saying "Lin isn't humble" and "his teammates don't like him"(after trading away the guys who like Lin) and why the knicks shouldn't keep him....an absolute reversal of his earlier stance. It was obvious it was orders from high up to do damage control and get fans turned against Lin and in favor of ditching him. Especially since Alan Hanh was pretty much saying the reverse just the day before. Dolan trotting out his paid journalist to do a damage control campaign that involves character assassination is not my idea of something I should support.

Classless. Short-sighted. And moves that culminate in a pattern over the years that say Dolan isn't going to allow the FO to build a championship team without interference.

It's a repeat of the Isiah years. Felton shows up at Dolan's 4th of July party, schmoozes him, and gets Dolan to give him a job out of favoritism, bypassing the FO via the bbq party. Dolan plays favorites, doesn't think with his brain.

Screw it. Supporting the "Knicks" shouldn't mean I have to support Dolan and his antics, or the fact that they've proven they're more interested in ego than in winning.

If Lin walks because of Dolan's ego, I'm done. Call me when Dolan sells the team and we're actually interested in winning again. Even if we didn't have a chance to win, I would have been willing to go to war with the guys we had, but not when Dolan is going to let a young asset with heart like Lin walk and damage the team over Dolan's ego.

I'm done. Being a New Yorker doesn't mean being Dolan's battered wife. Time to walk away. When the Knicks are allowed to be the Knicks, instead Knicks fans being Dolan's b*tches, let me know.

Linsanity brought in a lot of fans new and old, even knicks fans who have drifted away. I'm sure a lot of long time Knicks fans will now leave in disgust as well. Not only over Lin being let go, but at the way it's happening. With Dolan's ego overriding the front office, and him sending his media minions (he does own a newspaper) to do absolute opinion reversals and character assassinations. The Knicks may still be a playoff team, but not a championship one as long as Dolan is stirring his finger in the pot. No point in continued heartache when the result is known.

I don't think I'll follow another team just because I'll stop following the Knicks. It'll be interesting to see if Fields can regain his touch in Toronto, or if Linsanity continues in Houston and how he grows, or any other number of curiosities, as a casual watcher who checks in every now and then but doesn't keep tabs. But I won't really be a fan of any team, and I might just stop following the NBA entirely. I do want to see if Lin is for real and can grow into a legitimate allstar, though.

I'm certainly not going to invest emotion into following the Knicks, now that we've seen how the Dolan Knicks operate.

[Falstaffxx]

I'm a Knick fan. Not a player fan.

We're all Knicks fans, and then the team **** us over again and again, we start to lose some enthusiasm. This has been going on for like 13 years.

[Fury]

It doesn't make perfect sense when you lose your starting PG. That's like making these moves for backups then not bringing back Melo. We need everyone to have a shot, especially Lin and **** this track record. Felton's track record is that he sucks.

13.4 ppg 6.7 apg 1.4 spg 2.6 TO's Felton's career.

14.6 ppg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg 3.6 TO's Lin's season numbers last season.

Felton's track record stands up to Lin's season pretty fairly...guess Lin sucks too?

Oh come on. You're combining garbage time minutes with starter minutes and Felton has been playing for like 7 seasons. Lin is not only better but going to improve. Don't use straw man arguments man.

[Thugger HBC]

Sure is alot of folks that root for the BACK of the jersey in here.........

[j4remi]

It doesn't make perfect sense when you lose your starting PG. That's like making these moves for backups then not bringing back Melo. We need everyone to have a shot, especially Lin and **** this track record. Felton's track record is that he sucks.

13.4 ppg 6.7 apg 1.4 spg 2.6 TO's Felton's career.

14.6 ppg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg 3.6 TO's Lin's season numbers last season.

Felton's track record stands up to Lin's season pretty fairly...guess Lin sucks too?

Oh come on. You're combining garbage time minutes with starter minutes and Felton has been playing for like 7 seasons. Lin is not only better but going to improve. Don't use straw man arguments man.

A 20 game sample is a strawman argument...Felton's career can actually be scrutinized statistically and expectations can be made. When you make the claim that Felton sucks despite the fact that Lin only had twenty games to judge him on, it's the epitome of a strawman argument.

When you imply that the Knicks aren't being fiscally responsible because they got 4 players at regular price and refused to pay 1 player far beyond his worth unless he becomes Rajon Rondo tomorrow...then you're making strawman arguments.

I get that people are being emotional, that doesn't excuse them from throwing logic out the window.

[yaboynyp]

Sure is alot of folks that root for the BACK of the jersey in here.........

[spaceballer]

Sure is alot of folks that root for the BACK of the jersey in here.........

Rooting for the back or front of the jersey sure beats rooting for the name of the CEO, I'd say.

[Fury]

A 20 game sample is a strawman argument...Felton's career can actually be scrutinized statistically and expectations can be made. When you make the claim that Felton sucks despite the fact that Lin only had twenty games to judge him on, it's the epitome of a strawman argument.

When you imply that the Knicks aren't being fiscally responsible because they got 4 players at regular price and refused to pay 1 player far beyond his worth unless he becomes Rajon Rondo tomorrow...then you're making strawman arguments.

I get that people are being emotional, that doesn't excuse them from throwing logic out the window.

Ok, look at it this way, and please don't compare the numbers that favor Lin btw. FG% counts too. So does impact on the team. Lin is better than Felton.

Secondly, Felton has proven to be a mediocre starter in this league. Third, Lin at worst is a mediocre starter and has the ability to be an all-star. The only way we have a shot is to have a PG who can be a star. Why throw that away? It's not being illogical. This is a terrible move. The other guys don't put the Knicks over the top. How good Lin becomes puts the Knicks over the top.

[j4remi]

I'm a Knick fan. Not a player fan.

We're all Knicks fans, and then the team **** us over again and again, we start to lose some enthusiasm. This has been going on for like 13 years.

Here's the thing, I've been a Knicks fan for 20+ years...and I have elders who brought me up to appreciate the history and the tradition behind the team. Plus, I'm not so sure we've been screwed over even if this is a hiccup. We still have the core guys that I was excited about before Jeremy Lin was being waived by the Rockets.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Nope. I'll always be a Knicks fan.

[Thugger HBC]

Sure is alot of folks that root for the BACK of the jersey in here.........

Rooting for the back or front of the jersey sure beats rooting for the name of the CEO, I'd say.

Keep reaching, no one roots for Dolan, and as long as the Knicks win, no one even pays him any mind.

If this is the final straw for some, it's quite sad.

[Falstaffxx]

I'm a Knick fan. Not a player fan.

We're all Knicks fans, and then the team **** us over again and again, we start to lose some enthusiasm. This has been going on for like 13 years.

Here's the thing, I've been a Knicks fan for 20+ years...and I have elders who brought me up to appreciate the history and the tradition behind the team. Plus, I'm not so sure we've been screwed over even if this is a hiccup. We still have the core guys that I was excited about before Jeremy Lin was being waived by the Rockets.

The core guys proved to be failures with the roster formulated that way. And I've been a Knicks fan for 20 years too...very angry at the team right now.

[j4remi]

A 20 game sample is a strawman argument...Felton's career can actually be scrutinized statistically and expectations can be made. When you make the claim that Felton sucks despite the fact that Lin only had twenty games to judge him on, it's the epitome of a strawman argument.

When you imply that the Knicks aren't being fiscally responsible because they got 4 players at regular price and refused to pay 1 player far beyond his worth unless he becomes Rajon Rondo tomorrow...then you're making strawman arguments.

I get that people are being emotional, that doesn't excuse them from throwing logic out the window.

Ok, look at it this way, and please don't compare the numbers that favor Lin btw. FG% counts too. So does impact on the team. Lin is better than Felton.

Secondly, Felton has proven to be a mediocre starter in this league. Third, Lin at worst is a mediocre starter and has the ability to be an all-star. The only way we have a shot is to have a PG who can be a star. Why throw that away? It's not being illogical. This is a terrible move. The other guys don't put the Knicks over the top. How good Lin becomes puts the Knicks over the top.

A) Impact on the team seems like a huge reach when you take Lin's impact from playing almost 40 minutes a game to Felton's career...when Felton played the same minutes in the same system, his numbers were better and his impact just as pronounced.

B) Felton was nearly an all-star with the Knicks, he's been an average starter most of his career. Lin had near all-star level play with the Knicks, and he's been waived the rest of his career.

C) The only way we have a shot is if Amare/Melo are utilized effectively together. PG plays a role in that, but you don't need a star PG for that to work. A guy like Kidd can have that impact, Billups was beginning to have that impact and Felton worked well with Amare once before.

D) The entire basis of this is a "what if"...what if Lin becomes a star level player...and the crazy part is he's getting paid like a star level player regardless. I hate to play with the rhetoric of what if's...Lin is clearly a project that still needs to be developed and I admit that he CAN become that great player...but there's a possibility he falls flat on his face too and if that happens you've just spent tens of millions for nothing...and the same people complaining about this being the same old Knicks move NOW, would have that same complaint if Lin was an average to mediocre PG making 15 million dollars a year. At least Felton is being paid like an average PG...actually he's probably underpaid to be average.

[j4remi]

The core guys proved to be failures with the roster formulated that way. And I've been a Knicks fan for 20 years too...very angry at the team right now.

The core guys failed when they had no viable PG...now they have two with the possibility to match Lin and make that three...Let's wait and see how this works out.

If you've been a fan for 20 years and can't appreciate what the Garden is when the Knicks are a good team than you're missing something that makes it great to be a Knicks fan...that magic created Jeremy Lin...not vice versa.

[Fury]

A 20 game sample is a strawman argument...Felton's career can actually be scrutinized statistically and expectations can be made. When you make the claim that Felton sucks despite the fact that Lin only had twenty games to judge him on, it's the epitome of a strawman argument.

When you imply that the Knicks aren't being fiscally responsible because they got 4 players at regular price and refused to pay 1 player far beyond his worth unless he becomes Rajon Rondo tomorrow...then you're making strawman arguments.

I get that people are being emotional, that doesn't excuse them from throwing logic out the window.

Ok, look at it this way, and please don't compare the numbers that favor Lin btw. FG% counts too. So does impact on the team. Lin is better than Felton.

Secondly, Felton has proven to be a mediocre starter in this league. Third, Lin at worst is a mediocre starter and has the ability to be an all-star. The only way we have a shot is to have a PG who can be a star. Why throw that away? It's not being illogical. This is a terrible move. The other guys don't put the Knicks over the top. How good Lin becomes puts the Knicks over the top.

A) Impact on the team seems like a huge reach when you take Lin's impact from playing almost 40 minutes a game to Felton's career...when Felton played the same minutes in the same system, his numbers were better and his impact just as pronounced.

B) Felton was nearly an all-star with the Knicks, he's been an average starter most of his career. Lin had near all-star level play with the Knicks, and he's been waived the rest of his career.

C) The only way we have a shot is if Amare/Melo are utilized effectively together. PG plays a role in that, but you don't need a star PG for that to work. A guy like Kidd can have that impact, Billups was beginning to have that impact and Felton worked well with Amare once before.

D) The entire basis of this is a "what if"...what if Lin becomes a star level player...and the crazy part is he's getting paid like a star level player regardless. I hate to play with the rhetoric of what if's...Lin is clearly a project that still needs to be developed and I admit that he CAN become that great player...but there's a possibility he falls flat on his face too and if that happens you've just spent tens of millions for nothing...and the same people complaining about this being the same old Knicks move NOW, would have that same complaint if Lin was an average to mediocre PG making 15 million dollars a year. At least Felton is being paid like an average PG...actually he's probably underpaid to be average.

A) I'm not arguing this with you. If you can't tell who has a bigger impact on the game, I don't even know what the hell you're watching.

B) Lin never got a chance to play. Felton has, and he sucks everywhere.

C) It's not just about Melo and Amar'e, it's about having talent. Jason Kidd helps them and helps Lin improve as a PG.

D) What if is our only shot a title. I'm taking the risk over assured mediocrity.

[rleandry112]

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