Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 2)

[method]

Thinking logically about all this, there is no way Dolan doesn't bring Lin back

The ramifications are just too much to deal with

Have u forgot what he did to Spree and Camby???? 2 of my favorie Knicks and he traded em because of bull crap.

If Lin crossed him I could see him let him go....but he did say he would match up to a billion dollars so we will see

[king billing]

Agree... Melo shouldn't have talked about anyone's contract. No player should talk to the media about other player's contracts. Almost an unwritten rule.

Why hate on Lin? Did anyone hate on Melo for going after every cent he can get? Did anyone hate Amar'e for getting that extra year that Phoenix didn't want to pony up? he wants to get paid just like everyone else in the league.

Yes they did actually.

Lin makes less than half of what Carmelo makes, and guess what - Lin had a better year than Carmelo last season.

Are you ok? Under the weather?...

[howe070523]

[quote="bklynstoops"]
not really. seriously, if this is a win now team, you match the offer regardless of how you feel about the negotiations. he's better than what you have and what you can currently get; in fact, he's the best thing that happened to our rudderless team last year. you overpay in a win now situation, not worry about tax implications two years from now.

this has nothing to do with winning from Dolan's perspective.

I'm telling you at best Lin is a bench player

I'm ears, explain yourself

You have eyes you can read, like I said last season I think he's best as a sixth man coming off the bench, Alan Hahn reiterated the same thing I said. Guess he's delusional?[/quote]

So someone agrees with you then you must be right?!!

Alan hahn isn't delusional, you are.

[clipse375]

Holy crap. I'm away for ONE DAY! And all this is going on!! Kidd arrested... Lin not being matched... We get Kurt Thomas & Felton back.. WTF!

[Falstaffxx]

Lin makes less than half of what Carmelo makes, and guess what - Lin had a better year than Carmelo last season.

Are you ok? Under the weather?...

It's a pretty obvious fact. You're just choosing to ignore it.

[Realmatic]

i cant fathom the team giving up an asset like lin for nothing, there has to be more to this. Lin should be matched.

Look at the forum since the news broke out, almost 400 pages in 16 hours...thats nuts!

[CoolKids]

Lin had a better year than Carmelo last year. I don't see how this is even up for debate. Carmelo was a mess most of last year, while Lin was outstanding as a starter.

Carmelo certainly didn't play well the first half but (i) he played more than 25 games; (ii) he was the NBA player of the month; and (iii) he played insanely well down the stretch.

The sample size was plenty for seeing that he's an outstanding player. And Carmelo having a great month doesn't change the fact that he ran us into the ground for most of the season. Lin didn't have a half-season stretch where he was basically sinking the team.

So a small sample size (25 games) justifies someone being a good player, but a large sample size (591 games) doesnt? Like I said Melo had one f his worst seasons which was still good enough to make an all star and all nba team so hes earned his contract

[polarbears815]

If Felton shows up in shape, at 28, he could very well beat out Lin for the starting job in TC, even though the much younger Lin will probably have a better overall career.

To me it's simple. Match on Lin, and let the point guard battle begin in TC. Who knows, Lin could be a huge asset on the court, and as a possible asset in a future trade.

Yes. Completely agree with this post. I find it crazy they wouldn't match just for Lin being a possible asset in the future. If Felton beats out Lin in TC for the starting PG job, fine. But again, letting him walk for nothing except a financial reason is stupid. You don't let assets walk for nothing. You just don't.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Holy crap. I'm away for ONE DAY! And all this is going on!! Kidd arrested... Lin not being matched... We get Kurt Thomas & Felton back.. WTF!

Dark times my friend

[Falstaffxx]

I also can't fathom the people saying "no, too much money!" when Carmelo, who underperformed mightily most of the year and shot us out of countless games, makes way more.

[Pharmcat]

Thinking logically about all this, there is no way Dolan doesn't bring Lin back

The ramifications are just too much to deal with

Have u forgot what he did to Spree and Camby???? 2 of my favorie Knicks and he traded em because of bull crap.

If Lin crossed him I could see him let him go....but he did say he would match up to a billion dollars so we will see

spree and camby did not have the revenue stream potential that lin does

[K_ick_God]

Even if Lin comes back, I feel thoroughly disgusted by Melo.

[Daggy]

Lin should make up his mistake and withdraw that offer; if not i wont be mad at Dolan; its not just about the lux tax, which would be up to 115M in `15; but also for emotional and personal reasons. He wont accept to be fooled by anyone; not at this way!!

Sorry Lin; you prefered Yao over Chandler!!

You are just plain disgusting, he can NOT withdraw the offer, okay???

Knicks told him to go sign a contract so they could know his market worth, and he did!

He has NO OFFER from the Knicks, you understand that very, very, VERY SIMPLE fact?? This is not him having a 25mil contract from Houston and has a 20mil offer from the Knicks and he has to decide, right now it's Houston $25mil and Knicks ZERO, ZERO, ZERO, you ASSUME the Knicks will offer something, but how the hell do you know??? Everyone assumed knicks would match whatever!!!

If he REFUSED TO SIGN Houston's offer, that meant he would be left out there with ABSOLUTELY NO OFFER and simply sitting there hoping somehow one day Knicks decide to give him some money, the Knicks can wait until every team is settled with their roster then give Lin 2 Mil a year, OKAY???

If he signs the contract, which he did, then he SIGNED THE CONTRACT and he's legally obligated to honor the d*mn contract, which part of your thick skull doesn't understand something that simple???

NOBODY ever asks ANYONE to withdraw an offer after the offer is signed, because that'd ruin the entire market place, the fact you even raise that possibility means you probably have never even worked a day in your life and you are beyond being ridiculous!

It's Knicks' fault for not trying to offer something to him at the beginning (maybe he wouldn't have signed it, but we don't know, if Knicks offered him 4year/20mil or something higher with a team option I have a feeling he'd have signed it after some consideration), Knicks TOTALLY DROPPED THE BALL and stop trying to pin this on Lin!

[Thugger HBC]

Again, Lin had a better year than Carmelo. Or have you forgotten the majority of the season when Carmelo couldn't hit a shot to save his life?

Lin won player of the month?

I guess that proves it.

An accolade is an accolade.

when you say Lin had a better year, that's totally false.

What Lin did in 8 games, Melo having the worst statistical career did it in one month.

[adrenaLINe]

wow this thread is hoping 14 thousand hits in 5 hours on this 2nd thread...

[AllanHoustonFan]

Even if Lin comes back, I feel thoroughly disgusted by Melo.

Why?

[Falstaffxx]

Even if Lin comes back, I feel thoroughly disgusted by Melo.

It unbelievable to me that he would have the gall to call a teammate's contract ridiculous when he makes super-max and hasn't won a damn thing.

[Pharmcat]

Even if Lin comes back, I feel thoroughly disgusted by Melo.

even if lin comes back I dont think he is guaranteed starter or guaranteed to be here for the full 3 years, but lets cross that bridge when we get there

[BayareaKnicks]

This whole situation is being reported in a misleading way . The new offer is only 5.4 MM more that the original. The luxury hit differential is being overstated to create buzz. I am seriously doubting that the Knicks will not match. But knowing how this organization likes to make headlines, I think there will be a concerted effort to hold off on matching till the last second. This also will serve as a lesson to both Houston and to a lesser extent Lin as they will have to sweat this one out.

This. How much more do we get penalized going up from 10-15 mil in the third year? Can somebody answer this for me?

[Knicks_Fan2]

Basically the people saying Lin isn't important are just saying "I chose to ignore the actual results on the court and repeat over and over that it wasn't enough sample size."

Carmelo ran us into the ground for most of the year. Lin saved the season. Heads of out asses please?

How exactly did Carmelo run us into the ground? Please, tell me. I recall him playing out of his mind to start the season, got hurt, and our ENTIRE TEAM struggled without a point guard and a hurt Melo. Lin came in, dominated, we needed that, and even played well as Melo came back (Melo wasn't even taking a lot of shots). Then the team struggles, Dantoni fired, and Melo goes on an insane run to end the year. I don't even understand where you're trying to take this thread. Lin was amazing in his 25 games but he played nothing beyond that with Melo putting up ridiculous stats--remember the Celtics games--even in losses (see the Heat game) to close the year. What are you trying to get at?