Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[DocZaius]

luxury tax isnt a reason to lose lin

there is no ny didnt know all the ramifications considering how many cap experts they have


there really has to be another reason behind the scenes

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[djkinetic]

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Right now, I'm more curious on who the chick is in your avatar, want to spill the beans?

Leanne Crow since its been asked twice already.

[21shumpst]

15 mil for one year with a 1.75 per dollar tax AND a repaeat offender tax AND no ability to sign and trade...

Lin isn't worth that much and Melo and JR are right

Just so you know, No repeater tax. We weren't over the threshold this past year, and you have to be over three consecutive years and the repeater kicks in on the 4th year.

[kmav23]

hating on JR is just anger mis directed on the wrong person

there is nothing wrong with what he said

lin is getting paid 25 M based on 20-30 game piece of work, whereas others have to put in years of play to get their big time payday (for example, consider a late first rd pick guy who has to play out his standard rookie contract b4 being able to get the big deal)

It isn't JR's place to make those comments to the media. Keep that sh*t in the locker room.

JR/Melo stabbing Lin in back.. no way he comes back now...

[K_ick_God]

Something has definitely changed.

They certainly intended to match and then they clearly now feel Houston is messing around.

We can only hope they're messing back with them, but will still do the NO-BRAINER, OBVIOUS thing to do.

[yaboynyp]

At the end of the day, this is what happened:

Lin went for the money.
Dolan refused to shell out the money.
Teammates getting jealous because of the money.

I can't blame any of the people above because you and I both know if we were in their situations, we would have done the same thing.

Then why was Woodson and Grunwald saying "we matching we matching" since the beginning of offseason?

Did they not expect Houston to pull the loophole?? If they didn't they should be fired immediately because we all knew they would, especially since they did it for Asik just a few weeks before

Yeah Doc Totally agree that Woodson and Grunnie should be fired IMMEDIATELY over this… Not

[Hitman33]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

I haven't agreed with much of anything you've posted in the past 2 years,

but I agree with almost everything you've posted today.

[E86]

luxury tax isnt a reason to lose lin

there is no way ny didnt know all the ramifications considering how many cap experts they have


there really has to be another reason behind the scenes

If it's Dolan's ego it is what it is. I know people love to hate Dolan, and I hate him too as an owner. But I get it. It sucks for fans, but I understand it.

[Synciere]

Chris Sheridan: Luxury tax ramifications in Lin offer sheet are enormous. Even before the Knicks agreed to re-acquire Raymond ... http://sulia.com/c/basketball/f/770f216 ... ce=twitter 1 minute ago

Luxury tax ramifications in Lin offer sheet are enormous. Even before the Knicks agreed to re-acquire Raymond Felton on Saturday night, retaining Jeremy Lin and his $15 million salary in year three was a very expensive proposition. If, for argument’s sake, the Knicks payroll was equal to the luxury tax threshold, adding an extra $15 million for Lin’s salary would cost the Knicks a total of $43 million. They’d have to pay Lin’s salary, and the luxury tax payment for a team $15 million over the cap—in 2014-2015—will be about $28 million. Now, after adding Felton, retaining Lin becomes even more expensive.
If the Knicks match Lin’s offer and end up being $19 million above the luxury tax threshold because of it, they would owe $41.75 million in luxury tax penalties.
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/07/15 ... expensive/

Hard to know if Dolan would spend this without knowing exactly how much Lin is worth off the court in television and merchandising rights. The value of Cablevision has gone up substantially since Linsanity but unless anyone on this board is a senior vice president of a major brokerage house, it's tough to value their opinion on what Lin is going to be worth moving forward. Would letting Lin go reduce the value of each share back to where it was pre-Lin? I'd doubt that. Could Lin continue to increase the value of the franchise? I'd say only if he performs as he did during that Linsanity stretch.

These are my speculations, but it might be the Knicks have extracted as much value from Lin as they're going to get, especially if they don't believe he's an All Star in the making.

[devv83]

I got a question. So about three or four days ago melo had a team USA interview and he said that he wants lin back. I watched the video.

Just a few days ago the article about lin feeling frosty to the knicks came out, lin said if it didn't come from me it's. This whole board put it to rest.

How come its different with Melo. We got about 3 interviews of quotes with Melo saying he wants lin back, but you guys ignore those interviews and say things like melo is jealous.

I don't understand

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[rammagen]

Hate to say this but AI agree with mwello and JR on this. i don't mind players getting payed but come on now 14 mill a yr for Lin for 25 games and no show in the play offs?
I'll pass. JR while an idiot at least took a pay cut to what he could have made to show he wants to be here. Versus Lin I don't mind he got a deal couldn't care less but he has to play at wade/kidd/mello levels the entire year. He has shown he can't break the press the heat gave him and when he could have played in the playoffs he bailed. Sorry I am hard on the team and Mello and Amare but Lin came away looking clean got payed but he blew his chance in NYC his Agent should shut the f up and realized he robbed Houston on 25 games.
I expected 16 and 7 or 14 and 8 from Lin I'll get that production from Felton at a 1/4 of the cost what does that show you...
And you people over reacting and bawling grow a pair are you a Knick fan or a Lin fan because if you are Lin fan enjoy Houston. Go troll their board and stop talking crap here.
I would sign him because he represents youth but at 14 million dollars a year that has to be production

[Nono]

As opposed to the contract that Amare has. Or the contract that Novak has.
Obviously someone thinks that its a fair contract, because he got offered it.

The rockets also only have one guard uner contract and need to bring something in to give to fans if they cant get dwight. Lin most likely wont live up to that 15 mil in year 3 but he will sell tickets and merch so Houston doesnt have much to lose signing him. Amare is a sunk cost, it was signed years ago his contract shouldnt be a factor for comparison. I see your point with Novak and yes he is over paid. Yes I think we should match the ridiculous contract for Lin as well, in order to give us the best roster we can have but it is still a ridiculous offer.

Lin will be a bargain at 8 mil per year.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Something has definitely changed.

They certainly intended to match and then they clearly now feel Houston is messing around.

We can only hope they're messing back with them, but will still do the NO-BRAINER, OBVIOUS thing to do.

KG....

[BrOnXKing1]

LIn is going to Houston....It will be alot easier for the fans to come to terms with this know instead of clinging to every tweet hoping for positive info the next two days.

[stevieg987]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

It's becoming clear: our FO, coaching staff, and, it appears team, don't rate Lin very highly.

And if so, then they've lost my interest. I can't fake hope. I would know they don't understand how the game is played at a high level.

Understand: It would NOT be some calculated thing where I'm protesting or trying aggravate people here or prove that I'm right. None of that. It'd be the team TKO'ing me. Showing me that there is no real aspirations to achieve big things.

But I know with every fiber of my being that the Knicks would be stuck in a very bad place without Lin and by handing your team over to an idiot like JR or a questionable guy like Melo who is a good player but needs to be in a free-moving offense to win a title. It would spell that our team really has no clue and it would be all over but the shouting. I'm not interested in being part of the shouting or pretending I have hope when I don't -- you can't fake hope anyway.

We would go absolutely nowhere with Felton and Kidd running the team, with Amar'e declining and Melo and JR thinking they are going to shoot us to wins.

Not happening and I think 90% of you know that.

I'm with you 100%. It's over for this team without Lin. OVER.

[DocZaius]

Luxury tax my ass

[Grinditout]

I'm not asking about the Knicks. It's easy to spend Dolan's money.

This hypothetical team is your own. You have no one on the roster. Blank slate. You have 100 million dollars to spend over 3 years. You have an option to sign Lin for a contract that will cost you 43 million. Do you do it?

If I have only have 100 million to spend then no.

But the Knicks/Dolan's budget is much higher than 100 million, so can you please try to explain how your hypothetical situation connects to the Knicks/Dolan's real life budget regarding the team?

Because the contract is expensive, and it stifles our flexibility even more if that contract becomes untradeable. I don't care if people love Lin. I wouldn't mind Lin's contract getting matched. I guess I've seen too many players getting overhyped on internet messages boards for the last 10 years. Lin didn't even have a full season. So matching Lin's contract is what it is. A really expensive lottery ticket.

It seems you are ignoring everyone telling you that Knicks/Dolan have a history of overspending and have the unlimited resources to do so. How did guys like Eddy Curry/Jerome James/Allan Houston get money from the Knicks? Wasn't Dolan willing to overpay for them?

[Stannis]

As opposed to the contract that Amare has. Or the contract that Novak has.
Obviously someone thinks that its a fair contract, because he got offered it.

The rockets also only have one guard uner contract and need to bring something in to give to fans if they cant get dwight. Lin most likely wont live up to that 15 mil in year 3 but he will sell tickets and merch so Houston doesnt have much to lose signing him. Amare is a sunk cost, it was signed years ago his contract shouldnt be a factor for comparison. I see your point with Novak and yes he is over paid. Yes I think we should match the ridiculous contract for Lin as well, in order to give us the best roster we can have but it is still a ridiculous offer.

Lin will be a bargain at 8 mil per year.

People need to view it as 8 million a year, even though he is making 15 in that just one year.

[Lightning25]

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Right now, I'm more curious on who the chick is in your avatar, want to spill the beans?

Leanne Crow since its been asked twice already.

Thanks, nothing annoys me more than finding hot chicks and not knowing their name.

[SelbyCobra]

Couldn't disagree more with the bolded. I'm 100% certain that if the contract the Knicks were debating was 8/8/8, those comments would not have been made.

The contract structure itself IS ridiculous. Something can be ridiculous for its format alone. If you were told you were getting a job that paid you $48K a year, and you were working year round, but your paychecks were $1K monthly from January through August, but then $7K a month for Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec, you'd say that's ridiculous.

You're giving Melo credit that he does not deserve. He's not sophisticated about cap matters -- he doesn't understand structure or whatever.

This is just outright false, KG. Melo's own quote starts with him describing the contract's third year as a "wrench" thrown into the equation. It's pretty clear what he was talking about.