Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[JBreezeNY]

People make it seem like Lin is the reason we made the playoffs when evidence suggests the firing of Dantoni is the reason we made the playoffs.

After that great 7 game run , we went on a 6 game losing streak WITH LIN.

Dantoni is fired.

We go on a 6-1 great streak with LIN and the whole gang with woodson at the helm. LIN and Amare are out.

We still go 12-5 with a limp davis and bibby as our point guards.

12-5 over an 82 game season is about 58 wins which isnt bad. Kidd/felton is probably alot better than davis/bibby i would think.

Lin is important and I really do want him back because of the mystery he provides (maybe he is the piece that gets us over the hump), but he is not the end all and be all.

AND truth be told, he has been doing the knicks dirty since he got hurt.

1) Initially saying he was gonna try and make it back in 4 weeks then reversing field and talking about he will be back when he is ready.
2) He practices and says he is "only 85%" and that he cant play IN DA PLAYOFFS. Really?

Since it was against the heat, ok maybe he felt he needed to be completely healthy but in actuality the likelihood is his handlers told him to stay out cause if he looked bad against the heat, he would lose money.

3) Refusing to participate on the select team cause he didnt have a contract, but Like I said griffin just waited til his contract was done and participated (which he signed same time lin got his offer sheet).

4) Lin is told knicks will match so somehow some way he signs a new deal that allows him to make even more money.

Now the knicks were honest with him, but for some reason he is not honest with the knicks?

The worst part is the knicks gave him the chance to get to this point and he is F**king them over for the team that cut his butt for johnny flynn.

But hey melo is the bad person.

Without Lin I don't think we would've even cared to make the playoffs.

[madbucky]

The way the new CBA was done, this is a ridiculous contract and a terrible loophole. Kudos to Morey for finding it. How is it fair that the Rockets pay $8,$8,$8 and the Knicks pay $5,$5,$15? It's not. It's a stupid loophole.

Yes, it's a stupid loophole, but it's not like it was a secret. The scenario was already published by sportswriters weeks ago:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/e ... O0aXVNH1kM

The Knicks should have offered Lin their maximum under the Early Bird (4 yr/$24M, 6/6/6/6). That would have been great for the Knicks salary cap/luxury tax, and Lin may very well have taken it. After all, it was better than the reported initial offer by Houston of 3 yr/$20M.

[Realmatic]

Lin not only saved dantonis job for the time being, he gave the knicks season a kick start when the team was in the doldrums

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Just wait till Melo keeps running his mouth. He's gonna get interviewed a lot over the next few weeks and his track record suggests he'll slip up.

[PainKiller]

Hypothetically can't the knicks match the offer and restructure the contract with Lin, later down the the road? why does everything have to become a circus.

[CoolKids]

I wish they would just tear down the roster and rebuild from the bottom up......without Dolan in the picture

Not in our lifetime I'm afraid.

hey speak for yourself

[Sky_Knicks]

People make it seem like Lin is the reason we made the playoffs when evidence suggests the firing of Dantoni is the reason we made the playoffs.

After that great 7 game run , we went on a 6 game losing streak WITH LIN.

Dantoni is fired.

We go on a 6-1 great streak with LIN and the whole gang with woodson at the helm. LIN and Amare are out.

We still go 12-5 with a limp davis and bibby as our point guards.

12-5 over an 82 game season is about 58 wins which isnt bad. Kidd/felton is probably alot better than davis/bibby i would think.

Lin is important and I really do want him back because of the mystery he provides (maybe he is the piece that gets us over the hump), but he is not the end all and be all.

AND truth be told, he has been doing the knicks dirty since he got hurt.

1) Initially saying he was gonna try and make it back in 4 weeks then reversing field and talking about he will be back when he is ready.
2) He practices and says he is "only 85%" and that he cant play IN DA PLAYOFFS. Really?

Since it was against the heat, ok maybe he felt he needed to be completely healthy but in actuality the likelihood is his handlers told him to stay out cause if he looked bad against the heat, he would lose money.

3) Refusing to participate on the select team cause he didnt have a contract, but Like I said griffin just waited til his contract was done and participated (which he signed same time lin got his offer sheet).

4) Lin is told knicks will match so somehow some way he signs a new deal that allows him to make even more money.

Now the knicks were honest with him, but for some reason he is not honest with the knicks?

The worst part is the knicks gave him the chance to get to this point and he is F**king them over for the team that cut his butt for johnny flynn.

But hey melo is the bad person.

When Melo came back from his injury

[MKCATL]

Just wait till Melo keeps running his mouth. He's gonna get interviewed a lot over the next few weeks and his track record suggests he'll slip up.

He's gonna be like "Who"

[ORANGEandBLUE]

exactly, basketball players aren't the most astute people in the world. Im pretty sure what JR said and what he meant to say are two different things.

Guys come from college, spend 4 years getting paid on a rookie deal, they paid the dues to get paid. Lin is going to get a 25 million dollar deal based off of a 30 game sample. What JR said isnt wrong, misguided yes, but def not wrong.

I want lin back so dont take it as a lin hating post.

Lin is getting $15m in his 5th season. His pay scale his first 5 seasons is the same as Hibbert, Eric Gordon, and Brook Lopez.

JR's underlying point is wrong and he's even stupider for saying it to the press.

[xsaberx]

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

His contract is 25 million.

Again. Avoiding the question. His contract is 25 million but the true cost will be closer to 43 million. Do you spend 43 million dollars on Lin if you have a 100 million dollar budget over three years? Yes or no?

This logic is asinine

Using this same logic Carmelo costs us 80 million over 3 years

That extra 23 million should be divided between all the players based on their percentage of the salary that they take up - it has very little to do with Lin. Melo (63mil) Amare (62mil) and Chandler (45mil) are making a combined 170 million over the next three years. Add Lin's 25 = 195. So Lin is responsible for 12% of the extra 18 million, which = 2 million. So even splitting it amongst 4 players, he costs 27 million. Now splitting it amongst a full roster it will be closer to 26 million.

[ITGM]

Enough of this drama. I'm off to watch True Blood for an hour: probably the only thing that can get me away from refreshing this page for information every 3 seconds.

[ag3]

The way the new CBA was done, this is a ridiculous contract and a terrible loophole. Kudos to Morey for finding it. How is it fair that the Rockets pay $8,$8,$8 and the Knicks pay $5,$5,$15? It's not. It's a stupid loophole.

Yes, it's a stupid loophole, but it's not like it was a secret. The scenario was already published by sportswriters weeks ago:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/e ... O0aXVNH1kM

The Knicks should have offered Lin their maximum under the Early Bird (4 yr/$24M, 6/6/6/6). That would have been great for the Knicks salary cap/luxury tax, and Lin may very well have taken it. After all, it was better than the reported initial offer by Houston of 3 yr/$20M.

Yes. They should've. But this tells me that they never thought he would get this kind of deal from Houston and now it backfired on them.

Even of Dolan is telling everyone he isn't matching today, he can change his mind right up until Tuesday. He might hear the backlash and change his mind.

[Greenie]

Anyway, I'm not trying to be divisive. But you guys don't really get how close to abysmal failure we are.

Because of losing Jeremy Lin?

This team has improved its depth at just about every position this off-season. Until Morey tossed the wrench, everyone - including you - were talking about what a great off-season it was.

The moves Grunwald made are still improvements, whether or not Lin is here.

You know I respect you, KG. But I reuse to believe that the sole difference between the Knicks' success and failure this year boils down to whether Lin is here or not.

Is Felton the ideal PG? No, he's not. But if you look at it objectively, neither is Lin. Both have holes in their game.

I ride or die with this team. Lin ain't making or breaking that deal, no matter where he lands. And I refuse to think that all those moves the FO made are automatically negated because Jeremy Lin's agent got greedy and he lands in Houston.

But again, probably just me. A lot of people here have already decided that the Knicks will be on a par with Marbs' 23-win team if Lin goes. I'd rather watch them play the games and find out for myself.

[duetta]

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
J.R. Smith tells http://SI.com that Lin's contract could cause some chemistry issues in the locker room. Got to love J.R.'s honesty

You mean his gross stupidity, which goes with his abysmal shot selection...

[Mush Man]

I miss Donnie!

I don't know whether Donnie would have matched or not. Maybe we still would have ended up with Felton. I can see the plus and minuses to both sides of matching.

But......

We look like clowns and half-wits.

Did we get the contract delivered to us or not? Jackass players giving quotes that could come back and bite us if we do match... not making an offer to begin with. We look like the same poorly run, head up our a$$ organization that we were pre-Donnie. Doesn't all this drama just scream Isaah?

I mean, what's the difference on the timing... either match or don't.

How could Dolan not understand that stability is more than a roster that does not have tons of turnover. Stability is a feeling that things are under control. It starts at the top.

We look like a bunch of high-school drama queens.

[ag3]

Can we stop talking about JR Smith already. Who gives a **** what he has to say.

[Red Vines]

^Felton has holes in his game and donut holes in his locker.

...Sorry, too easy sometimes.

[DocZaius]

Can we stop talking about JR Smith already. Who gives a **** what he has to say.

Lin does and I can understand why he wouldn't want to return now

[AllanHoustonFan]

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
J.R. Smith tells http://SI.com that Lin's contract could cause some chemistry issues in the locker room. Got to love J.R.'s honesty

You mean his gross stupidity, which goes with his abysmal shot selection...

He likes him because it makes writing his next article easier.

[Stannis]

Can we stop talking about JR Smith already. Who gives a **** what he has to say.

JR Smith@ JR Smith

I am God.