2011 NBA Finals - Tyson Chandler

[Marlo Stanfield]

Is there any way I can find out what the +/- was for the Dallas Mavericks in the 2011 Finals versus Miami when Tyson Chandler was on the court versus when he was off it? It seemed to me as though Miami did whatever they wanted when he was out of the game, but once he returned the momentum shifted back to Dallas.

[mysticbb]

Is there any way I can find out what the +/- was for the Dallas Mavericks in the 2011 Finals versus Miami when Tyson Chandler was on the court versus when he was off it? It seemed to me as though Miami did whatever they wanted when he was out of the game, but once he returned the momentum shifted back to Dallas.

Per 100 poss:

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Player                   On     Off    Net
Jason Kidd              11.3   -21.6  32.9
Dirk Nowitzki            8.5   -19.9  28.4
Tyson Chandler           8.4   -11.4  19.8
Shawn Marion             8.4   -9.6   18.0
Jason Terry              7.0   -3.6   10.6
Brian Cardinal          11.5    2.8    8.7
DeShawn Stevenson       -11.1  11.9   -23.0
Ian Mahinmi             -17.4   6.0   -23.4
Brendan Haywood         -19.2   6.0   -25.2
Jose Barea              -10.3  15.2   -25.5
Peja Stojakovic         -39.5   8.4   -47.9


It just seemed that way, because Chandler had a lot of his minutes with Nowitzki on the court. The Mavericks with Chandler and without Nowitzki in the finals were -24.9 per 100 possessions. With both on the court: +15.8. And Chandler didn't even have to play a single minute without Nowitzki while the combo Barea/Terry was on the court. The Barea/Terry combo had -21.8 during the finals. Rather obvious, because matching up either Terry or Barea with Wade was not the greatest idea.

You can use basketball-reference.com to help getting the numbers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/
There is a lineup finder and the +/- finder. Great tools, and the data goes back to 2001.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Is there any way I can find out what the +/- was for the Dallas Mavericks in the 2011 Finals versus Miami when Tyson Chandler was on the court versus when he was off it? It seemed to me as though Miami did whatever they wanted when he was out of the game, but once he returned the momentum shifted back to Dallas.

Per 100 poss:

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Player                   On     Off    Net
Jason Kidd              11.3   -21.6  32.9
Dirk Nowitzki            8.5   -19.9  28.4
Tyson Chandler           8.4   -11.4  19.8
Shawn Marion             8.4   -9.6   18.0
Jason Terry              7.0   -3.6   10.6
Brian Cardinal          11.5    2.8    8.7
DeShawn Stevenson       -11.1  11.9   -23.0
Ian Mahinmi             -17.4   6.0   -23.4
Brendan Haywood         -19.2   6.0   -25.2
Jose Barea              -10.3  15.2   -25.5
Peja Stojakovic         -39.5   8.4   -47.9


It just seemed that way, because Chandler had a lot of his minutes with Nowitzki on the court. The Mavericks with Chandler and without Nowitzki in the finals were -24.9 per 100 possessions. With both on the court: +15.8. And Chandler didn't even have to play a single minute without Nowitzki while the combo Barea/Terry was on the court. The Barea/Terry combo had -21.8 during the finals. Rather obvious, because matching up either Terry or Barea with Wade was not the greatest idea.

You can use basketball-reference.com to help getting the numbers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/
There is a lineup finder and the +/- finder. Great tools, and the data goes back to 2001.

Thanks for that! So JKidd was actually the most important guy to that Finals which is interesting. It seemed like the Heat feared attacking the rim when Chandler was in the game. And when he went out they seemed to go on runs.

[ElGee]

Hi Mario -- in no way, shape or form does that mean Kidd was the most important guy in the Finals.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Hi Mario -- in no way, shape or form does that mean Kidd was the most important guy in the Finals.

Okay, then I'm confused. From what I saw I'll maintain that Chandler was the biggest key though. Obviously they go no where without Nowitzki, but Chandler just seemed like the one guy in the Finals that they had no shot without.

[ElGee]

Small sampled +/- doesn't tell you who was best or most important. There's a bunch of good reads on all the issues with it and how it changes with increased sample, but just think of it this way:

What if JKidd was just on the court when Dirk played, and when Chandler played, but with no one else. Meanwhile, Dirk and Chandler played with all the scrubs. Kidd will have the best +/- of the 3 despite being the least impactful player. Of course, there are other scenarios...

[AussieBuck]

I hate to post non-stats stuff on this board but I think the impression of Chandler's performance being so vital could have come from Haywood being injured and Mahinmi being utterly, brutally bad as the primary backup.