another Lin thread filled with no useful information #6

[AmazingJason]

I don't know why people perceive Lin to be the good guy in all of this, or Dolan as the sole bad guy for not matching this. If Lin wanted to be back, he'd have worked something out over 4 years that's more reasonable, with the Knicks. Why is this being ignored and supplemented with excuses like "they told him to get his value" and "can't blame him for getting his money" ...

Well then you can't blame the Knicks for feeling a bit betrayed and not throwing millions of dollars out to sign him, when they [apparently] weren't able to negotiate on their own. If Lin wanted to get his money and be in NY, he'd have made an effort to do so. Not gone out and get as much money as he could, get upset it's not as much as he wanted, settle, find out he can get more and sign more.... And people expect the Knicks to simply unquestionably follow this kid around like he's Lebron matching anything anyone throws at him... because... you think he's going to be some prodigy that'll lead this team to a ring? Come on now...

It'd be a lot more fun if Lin is on this team come tomorrow... But I'm not going to sit here and act like our championship aspirations are dashed bc Jermey Lin is no longer on the team, and were stuck with Jason Kidd (who incidentally won a 2 years ago) and Felton. Just more exaggeration.

The guy has tiptoed around, and from what i've gathered, come off like he doesn't want to be here any more than the Rockets.. Why would I want someone like that here? Then again, I don't think he's going to be a "very good PG" so i'm a little bias.

The reason why people perceive Lin as the "good guy" is because that's what they actually do believe; from the things he's said, the way he acts. Personality matters a lot when it comes to entertainers connecting with their audience. To many, Lin is intelligent, hard-working, personable, humble...and his underdog story resonates with A LOT of people; fans of his feel like they're a part of the magical experience. I don't personally know him, but that's the image he has and to me, it's likely that he is that in actuality. Someone like Melo doesn't have that benefit of the doubt with many fans because of his personality, even though he's a vastly superior talent. It's also why someone like Durant would get a pass more times than Melo.

[johnnywishbone]

Chris Rock ‏@chrisrock
Jeremy linn I've never seen grown men hate on another mans money like this in my life

Hide your money in your books Jeremy!

[kingOfqueens]

How can you calculate unplanned variables? It's not like they are Nasa scientists in there. These are regular people.

cuz it isn't some crazy variable that came out of nowhere, everyone was expecting a backloaded contract.

no. they can't plan for every possible scenario that could happen this offseason

espn article from july 2nd..

The Knicks can offer Lin a four-year deal worth $24.5 million. But an opposing team can offer Lin a poison pill that could go as high as $40 million over four years. Such a contract would pay Lin $5 million in each of the first two years and then go as high as $15 million in each of the last two years.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ources-say

[Sky_Knicks]

Lebron should have been a Knick.

God no

Sure, turn down the best player n the NBA...

1. That's debatable.
2. I'm not a player. I'm a fan. I want to have fun watching my team. That's something I wouldn't be able to do if he was here. That's part of the reason I want melo gone.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

More slightly OT but I was thinking yesterday -- how much worse is Bill Walker than JR Smith really?

He's worse. But it's not some huge gap.

Wtf??? Notsureifsrs


AR smith is infinently better than bill **** walker

I'm still waiting for KnicksGod to announce TKF hacked his account earlier today and to disregard all posts he's made in the past 24 hours.

[drtran117]

This must be what our Congress goes through every day.

[SelbyCobra]

Watching Lin's ESPY acceptance speech, and he shouts out JR Smith.

[PainKiller]

Lin won an espy.. he deserves more money. WOW, JR was there, Lin thanked him and now JR is salty?

[21shumpst]

no. they can't plan for every possible scenario that could happen this offseason

There was an EXTREMELY high possibility of Lin getting a backloaded deal.

Yeah they were fully prepared for this. Couldn't Houston have offered an even bigger contract too?

They could have tacked on an extra year at 15mill

[johnnywishbone]

Sure, turn down the best player n the NBA...

1. That's debatable.
2. I'm not a player. I'm a fan. I want to have fun watching my team. That's something I wouldn't be able to do if he was here. That's part of the reason I want melo gone.

1. Not really. When you are the MVP and champion that pretty much makes you #1.
2. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

[K_ick_God]

Chris Rock ‏@chrisrock
Jeremy linn I've never seen grown men hate on another mans money like this in my life

lol I love Chris Rock.

I love how he keeps spelling it linn too.

[ShotgunNitty]

I don't know why people perceive Lin to be the good guy in all of this, or Dolan as the sole bad guy for not matching this. If Lin wanted to be back, he'd have worked something out over 4 years that's more reasonable, with the Knicks. Why is this being ignored and supplemented with excuses like "they told him to get his value" and "can't blame him for getting his money" ...

Well then you can't blame the Knicks for feeling a bit betrayed and not throwing millions of dollars out to sign him, when they [apparently] weren't able to negotiate on their own. If Lin wanted to get his money and be in NY, he'd have made an effort to do so. Not gone out and get as much money as he could, get upset it's not as much as he wanted, settle, find out he can get more and sign more.... And people expect the Knicks to simply unquestionably follow this kid around like he's Lebron matching anything anyone throws at him... because... you think he's going to be some prodigy that'll lead this team to a ring? Come on now...

It'd be a lot more fun if Lin is on this team come tomorrow... But I'm not going to sit here and act like our championship aspirations are dashed bc Jermey Lin is no longer on the team, and were stuck with Jason Kidd (who incidentally won a 2 years ago) and Felton. Just more exaggeration.

The guy has tiptoed around, and from what i've gathered, come off like he doesn't want to be here any more than the Rockets.. Why would I want someone like that here? Then again, I don't think he's going to be a "very good PG" so i'm a little bias.

+1

GIFSoup

[god shammgod]

what did i miss ?

[Knicker23]

I don't know why people perceive Lin to be the good guy in all of this, or Dolan as the sole bad guy for not matching this. If Lin wanted to be back, he'd have worked something out over 4 years that's more reasonable, with the Knicks. Why is this being ignored and supplemented with excuses like "they told him to get his value" and "can't blame him for getting his money" ...

Well then you can't blame the Knicks for feeling a bit betrayed and not throwing millions of dollars out to sign him, when they [apparently] weren't able to negotiate on their own. If Lin wanted to get his money and be in NY, he'd have made an effort to do so. Not gone out and get as much money as he could, get upset it's not as much as he wanted, settle, find out he can get more and sign more.... And people expect the Knicks to simply unquestionably follow this kid around like he's Lebron matching anything anyone throws at him... because... you think he's going to be some prodigy that'll lead this team to a ring? Come on now...

It'd be a lot more fun if Lin is on this team come tomorrow... But I'm not going to sit here and act like our championship aspirations are dashed bc Jermey Lin is no longer on the team, and were stuck with Jason Kidd (who incidentally won a 2 years ago) and Felton. Just more exaggeration.

The guy has tiptoed around, and from what i've gathered, come off like he doesn't want to be here any more than the Rockets.. Why would I want someone like that here? Then again, I don't think he's going to be a "very good PG" so i'm a little bias.

I personally think both sides are at fault here. If we wanted Lin to be in NY, we should have made that clear. And it doesn't help when JR and Melo say what they did to the media. None of the moves the Knicks have made have made that very clear. Getting Felton looks like we are replacing Felton for Lin. And yes, if LIn was the one that renegotiated that contract with the Rockets, he was definitely wrong to do that. But it's not like we gave him an offer either. That said, Lin has not been infallible in this situation. I put the blame 50% on Lin, 50% on Knicks management until we learn otherwise by a credible source. In any case, I feel If Lin doesn't get matched it's clear there was a lack of communication involved from all parties.

I agree. The JR and Melo comments came after the fact though, it seems..

It just appears very odd for BOTH parties... It doesn't seem like it was an amicable process by either...Maybe Lin was annoyed, as rumors/reports said, that he was told to go out and get his value.. And took a "fine, then i'm going to find as much $ as I can and don't care whether you match" type of thing... Instead of it being what you'd expect it to be from two parties looking to work together, which is Knicks telling Lin to go out and get his value, Lin does that, comes back and they come to a deal based off of that... Yet, that's not how it went down.

Lin from the beginning, if I recall correctly, took a more "we'll see what happens" approach to this all.. I believe he alluded to the possibility of being else where in a few interviews near the end of the season... He didn't give the Steve Novak vibe of "really want to be back in NY" "NY was great to him, he'd love to be back" as Novak and his agent put out.. And low and behold, Novak got a nice deal and is back...

Now obviously Lin is a little different than Novak... But the bottom line is neither side appeared to make an effort to work together to keep him here. It isn't just on ownership to follow him around and retain him as he goes out and forces them to pay more and more.. That's not how it works if you want to be back with a team. Do I blame Lin for wanting money first, no... But I don't blame Dolan for not wanting him back either.. And it makes me not want him back all that much as well.

[GONYK]

I don't know why people perceive Lin to be the good guy in all of this, or Dolan as the sole bad guy for not matching this. If Lin wanted to be back, he'd have worked something out over 4 years that's more reasonable, with the Knicks. Why is this being ignored and supplemented with excuses like "they told him to get his value" and "can't blame him for getting his money" ...

Well then you can't blame the Knicks for feeling a bit betrayed and not throwing millions of dollars out to sign him, when they [apparently] weren't able to negotiate on their own. If Lin wanted to get his money and be in NY, he'd have made an effort to do so. Not gone out and get as much money as he could, get upset it's not as much as he wanted, settle, find out he can get more and sign more.... And people expect the Knicks to simply unquestionably follow this kid around like he's Lebron matching anything anyone throws at him... because... you think he's going to be some prodigy that'll lead this team to a ring? Come on now...

It'd be a lot more fun if Lin is on this team come tomorrow... But I'm not going to sit here and act like our championship aspirations are dashed bc Jermey Lin is no longer on the team, and were stuck with Jason Kidd (who incidentally won a 2 years ago) and Felton. Just more exaggeration.

The guy has tiptoed around, and from what i've gathered, come off like he doesn't want to be here any more than the Rockets.. Why would I want someone like that here? Then again, I don't think he's going to be a "very good PG" so i'm a little bias.

The ABSOLUTE MOST we could offer Lin was 4/24. What was there to be worked out?

[K_ick_God]

More slightly OT but I was thinking yesterday -- how much worse is Bill Walker than JR Smith really?

He's worse. But it's not some huge gap.

Wtf??? Notsureifsrs


AR smith is infinently better than bill **** walker

I'm still waiting for KnicksGod to announce TKF hacked his account earlier today and to disregard all posts he's made in the past 24 hours.

lol

JR is much more talented but it's not this crazy chasm b/c JR is not a substantial net positive.

[stevieg987]

Lin won an espy.. he deserves more money. WOW, JR was there, Lin thanked him and now JR is salty?

If Lin gets paid, JR won't. It's really that simple.

[Mr_Perfect]

Only thing I know is if Lin comes back him and Melo need to clear the air. Jr Smith? Just trade that fool. Dude is an embarrassment on and off the court.

[00ghost27]

Well at least the Knicks / Rockets rivalry for the foreseeable future will be really fun to watch... my money is on Lin + Howard combo making Knicks regret their decision every time we play.

[21shumpst]

what did i miss ?

Jeremy Lin can't go left.