Jeremy Lin's Contract Saga: Part VII

[Red Vines]

The NBA Insider guy is tweeting again. This was down his timeline, I guess we'll find out tomorrow if he's fake:

NBA Updates ‏@TheNBA_Insider
@NYPost_Berman @JLin7 to be signed in final hour tomorrow to make Houston Rockets sweat. @nyknicks will announce officially wednesday

[AmazingJason]

“This offense is guard-oriented,” said Rockets forward Josh Harrellson, Lin’s teammate with the Knicks. “He’s going to have the ball the majority of the time. If you look at our roster, he’s going to be our superstar. In NewYork, you can’t say the same. Hopefully, he can come here, the offense can run through him, and he can make all the decisions for us.

“As you can see, we don’t have a point guard right now. Right now, it’s instant minutes for him. For a kid that wants to play basketball and be part of a team and make it successful, hopefully he can come and do that for us.”

TD's like "WTF?" I'm not a PG?

LOL @ Harrelson, SHOTS FIRED

[Knicksrule2k4]

Do the Knicks really wanna deal with the massive amount of negative PR they'll get if they decline to match? We're talking epic proportions here.


Knicks are matching. I mean, they really can't be THAT stupid.

Edit: And after we match, I hope HOU ends up with no PG, worst record in the L, AND end up losing the lottery with the 3rd pick in the draft. I hate that franchise right now more than I do Boston/Miami.

How long have you been following the Knicks?

No, but he had the first offer and knew the Knicks were going to match, so he signed the 2nd offer hoping Dolan would just throw his money away.

[Jay10]

"This just in: Dolan matched on Lin after finding necessary luxury tax capital under his living room couch pillows..."

- PeterVecsey1 (Peter Vecsey)

[ibraheim718]

If they had an verbal agreement on the initial offer and he really wanted the Knicks he could have said something. But it's unrealistic of me to expect a player to be that loyal....

It's not about loyalty... it's about business. He employs an agent... and that agent is going to do everything he can to make sure his client gets the best deal he can and that player is going to trust him to do so.

[CrazyKnicks]

If they had an verbal agreement on the initial offer and he really wanted the Knicks he could have said something. But it's unrealistic of me to expect a player to be that loyal....

No agent on the face of the planet would ever let his client do that... it would be unheard of.. especially when it was public knowledge that the Knicks were going to match anything... for heavens sake the coach was even saying it before the offer was official.

The one white knight of this offseason has been JR Smith. Took a 1year deal and gave us a big discount. As much hate as he gets for his act and as much as we hear what a good guy Lin is, JR ironically has been the loyal guy.

So it's no unheard of, just very rare.

[ibraheim718]

Do the Knicks really wanna deal with the massive amount of negative PR they'll get if they decline to match? We're talking epic proportions here.


Knicks are matching. I mean, they really can't be THAT stupid.

Edit: And after we match, I hope HOU ends up with no PG, worst record in the L, AND end up losing the lottery with the 3rd pick in the draft. I hate that franchise right now more than I do Boston/Miami.

How long have you been following the Knicks?

No, but he had the first offer and knew the Knicks were going to match, so he signed the 2nd offer hoping Dolan would just throw his money away.

The first offer was pure speculation and in no way official.

[BayareaKnicks]

For all you guys in the east coast still up...
I'm sure you have all seen this..but hopefully, Linsanity in NY is not over.

Dolan needs to watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8hrRIul ... re=related

[ibraheim718]

If they had an verbal agreement on the initial offer and he really wanted the Knicks he could have said something. But it's unrealistic of me to expect a player to be that loyal....

No agent on the face of the planet would ever let his client do that... it would be unheard of.. especially when it was public knowledge that the Knicks were going to match anything... for heavens sake the coach was even saying it before the offer was official.

The one white knight of this offseason has been JR Smith. Took a 1year deal and gave us a big discount. As much hate as he gets for his act and as much as we hear what a good guy Lin is, JR ironically has been the loyal guy.

So it's no unheard of, just very rare.

Where were Smiths other offers? Where was the one offer JR turned down?

I'll be here waiting.

[21shumpst]

I'm not saying I blame him, anyone would take more money if it is offered to them.
You seem to be blaming him with that statement.

Well from the story I read it looked like he went out of his way to go back to Vegas and sign the 2nd offer sheet without informing the knicks. So he isn't totally innocent.

He went out of his way? When your perspective employer is trying to contact you to make a contract official you're going to duck him?

Uhh... he was going to LA for the ESPY's. Don't see how that was out of his way. Also nothing that says he has to inform the Knicks that he is going anywhere to do do anything. I don't think the Knicks kept him apprised of all the goings on of the Nash negotiations, nor should they have.

[taj2133]

there was two offer sheets lin could have took first offer sheet of a 4 year deal worth 28 million
Jeremy Lin could be a former Knick by midnight Tuesday.
The Knicks have until the end of Tuesday to decide whether to match the three-year, $25.1-million offer sheet the wildly popular Lin signed with Houston. The offer includes a $14.89-million "poison pill" in the third year that prompted Knicks All-Star Carmelo Anthony to call it a "ridiculous contract" and might make the organization cut ties with Lin.
The Knicks haven't commented since Lin received the offer sheet, but they finalized the trade for point guard Raymond Felton Monday, which could signal the end of Lin-sanity in New York.
The Knicks had every intention of matching offers for Lin, a restricted free agent who averaged 17.7 points and 8.2 assists in 25 starts and was even more valuable to them from a business and marketing standpoint.
But the Knicks can't be happy that the terms of the deal Lin originally agreed upon with Houston changed. It was a four-year, $28.8-million contract, and the fourth year was a $9.3-million team option.
Besides perhaps being upset that they were blindsided by the addition of about $5.6 million in the third year, the Knicks will face immense luxury-tax ramifications if they match.
More than $70 million already is committed to Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Steve Novak and Felton for the 2014-15 season. Lin would put the Knicks at more than $85 million.
The luxury-tax penalties are stiffer starting in 2013-14. Based on the collective-bargaining agreement, Lin's third-year salary could cost the Knicks an additional $28.5 million in luxury tax.
The deal isn't as onerous for Houston. The average salary of the contract counts on the Rockets' books for $8.35 million each year.
The Knicks might go right to the deadline before letting Lin and the Rockets know their decision.
Last Wednesday, coach Mike Woodson said "absolutely" when he was asked if he expected Lin back. He also was asked if the Knicks blinked at Houston's original offer. Woodson replied "never once" and said Lin would be the starting point guard heading into training camp.
But after Houston upped the ante in the third year, the Knicks started looking for an alternative at point guard and brought back Felton.
He and another former Knick, Kurt Thomas, returned to the Knicks in a sign-and-trade that sent Jared Jeffries, Dan Gadzuric, the draft rights to Kostas Papanikolaou and Giorgos Printezis and a protected future second-round draft pick to Portland.
Felton signed a guaranteed three-year deal with a fourth-year player option that could make the contract worth about $18 million overall.
In 54 games with the Knicks in the 2010-11 season, Felton averaged 17.1 points and 9.0 assists before being traded to Denver in the Anthony deal.
Thomas, 39, remains a solid post defender.
The Knicks also signed 6-8 forward Chris Copeland to a non-guaranteed contract. Copeland, who has played the past five seasons in Europe, is on the Knicks' summer-league team.
The Dolan family owns con-
trolling interests in the Knicks,
Madison Square Garden
and Cablevision. Cablevision owns Newsday
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... 41893?qr=1

[Maraksattack]

hey guys..aint it 12 AM already? asian guy here... its 1:36 pm where im at...

[Nono]

FWIW Ian Begley and Marc Berman are now following @TheNBA_Insider, I'm guessing just on the outside chance he's real.

[wasted_101]

hey guys..aint it 12 AM already? asian guy here... its 1:36 pm where im at...

its 1:37 in ny

[ibraheim718]

4 years 40 million that was the max contract for Lin... everyone knew it so the Knicks front office should have known it as well.

[21shumpst]

there was two offer sheets lin could have took first offer sheet of a 4 year deal worth 28 million

There was one official offer sheet, the one that Lin signed. It wasn't multiple choice.

[Knicksrule2k4]

The deadline is 11:59 pm today, so we will probably know if they matched early morning Wed.

[LINIZALLSTAR]

FWIW Ian Begley and Marc Berman are now following @TheNBA_Insider, I'm guessing just on the outside chance he's real.

he's spamming all of them now

[NYStateofMind]

I'm just going to post this one more time so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle, considering I was responding to a number of people at once:

I've seen hardly any Lin fanboys for the past 3 or 4 parts to this thread...

I'm glad, if that's the case. Like I said, I haven't read this thread much. Just think it's ridiculous that it's gotten to Part 7 and am fed up with all the ridiculous "**** This Team If Lin Is Not On It"-styled threads that have popped up over the last few weeks.

We will match--and I'm extremely happy about it--but some specific posters are, and will continue to be, unbearable. Was almost looking forward to seem them allegedly exit stage left.

Amen. Not all. Just the ones who are Lin > Knicks fans, IMO

So you don't really care about the Knicks winning, you care more about being able to post here comfortably without much noise and getting used to the same old Knicks failing again?

Hmm...perhaps you missed the whole

one of the only reasons I'd be totally fine with not matching is simply to get rid of all these **** Lin fanboys once and for all.

Another reason is that I honestly don't think Knicks not matching Lin = Knicks not winning. At all. And I suppose the whole

At the end of the day, I personally think it's smarter to match Lin. But I suffer enough as a life-long, die-hard Knicks fan.

didn't show that the Knicks winning is my number one priority My point is that Knicks fans are battle-tested. We've been through the fire, and believe me, even on the road to our eventual championship season (whenever that may be), there will be gobs and gobs of **** hitting the fan along the way. It's the Knicks. That's how it goes. I just don't need massive amounts of people both here and in the Knicks community whose only agenda is Jeremy Lin-centered, regardless of the Knicks. I don't want to see a plethora of threads defending Lin's play if/when he isn't necessarily performing to the expectations of his contract, disallowing any criticism towards him whatsoever, and generally bashing Melo in any chance possible (not to say there aren't certain times when it's completely warranted).

Wow sad to see that you have regressed.

Funny, I was honestly thinking the same thing earlier when I read a few of your posts on the Lin topic. But then I thought, "I'm not going to make a judgment on a poster I once respected based on his views on one particular Knicks-related topic," and decided to reserve judgment. Sad to see you're making a judgment on me as an overall poster/person based on my feelings towards one particular topic. But there are greater tragedies in life.

[Maraksattack]

hey guys..aint it 12 AM already? asian guy here... its 1:36 pm where im at...

its 1:37 in ny

thanks bro..i thought the deadline was 12 midnight isnt it?