Jeremy Lin's Contract Saga: Part VII

Post #461 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:03 pm

Hate to be so negative but they've already badly mismanaged this. It's already a mess with how they strung this out and screwed their fans, let JR go off, etc.

If the front office thinks Lin is nothing special but JR was a big find, then you know our basketball people are quite clueless and we at least have that peace of mind -- they're too dumb to EVER build a title team.

The fans next season will make the players very unhappy. Hurt people hurt people.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #462 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:03 pm

UnderdogKnicks wrote:James Dolan needs to be assassinated if he doesn't match Lin simple as that.

Again, really?

msg4k90 · Post #463 » by **msg4k90** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:04 pm

how horrible do some people think jeremy lin is he gonna be? is he gonna be worse than raymond felton? who was horrible last year? oh raymond felton. Ooooh raymond felton was exposed all season, hes terrible. why is he gonna get another chance? raymond felton was 1-4 FG (3 points) against miami last year hes exposed!!!!!! whaaaa whaaa felton is sooo much better than jeremy lin.

what if felton puts another season like he did last year, lets talk about that! c'mon, lets disregard what lin did and call him a scrub cause of 1 game by miami, while felton was horrible all season and got killed by the same team. so felton > lin. GREAT!

Post #464 » by **j4remi** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:05 pm

cgmw wrote:
j4remi wrote:
GONYK wrote:Why does everyone focus on the last year, and completely ignore that we can audition Lin for that last year for 2 full seasons while only paying him $5M?

Because if Lin fails that audition we can't dump his contract, even as an expiring I'd doubt it. Even if we tried next year, the looming 15 million dollar year will scare teams. We don't have the assets to salary dump unless Copeland is as good as some people are wishfully thinking.

Who cares if we can't dump it? So what?

IT EXPIRES!

You played this same concept out in the Fields thread pretending that Dolan doesn't care about money...obviously he let Fields walk because at some point there is a bottom line. If HIS TEAM can't dump it HE has to pay 40+ million dollars for that expiring contract. He's GOT to be somewhat worried about that possibility. I have no personal stake, but there are obvious reasons for management to think twice, although stevieg's stretch provision is something I hadn't heard of and that would certainly soften the blow.

cgmw · Post #465 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:05 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
cgmw wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Where did you get this? Why is everyone so negative this morning after what melo said last night? So many of you need actual psychological help that it makes me said--except it's your craziness that entertains me.

1. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z20sWVfcC0

2. No idea (nor do I care) what Melo said last night.

3. Letting a young player with a great work ethic, great attitude, great mind, and great potential walk because the owner's ego is hurt makes me feel negative feelings.

4. I don't disagree that psychological help would be nice right now because Dolan is pissing me off.

So you will read a daily news article filled with rumor and no direct quote against a direct quote from our star player who tells us what James Dolan wants. Got it, just wanted to make sure people were still being unreasonable.

I didn't see what Carmelo said, but it doesn't make any difference. My own two eyes watching this team and its track-record for three decades, particularly the last two under Dolan, are all the proof I need that the top-down decision making is totally F'd over there at Penn Plaza.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #466 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:06 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Hate to be so negative but they've already badly mismanaged this. It's already a mess with how they strung this out and screwed their fans, let JR go off, etc.

If the front office thinks Lin is nothing special but JR was a big find, then you know our basketball people are quite clueless and we at least have that peace of mind -- they're too dumb to EVER build a title team.

The fans next season will make the players very unhappy. Hurt people hurt people.

Why don't you wait until a decision is made before vilifying the front office, who--assuming they match Lin--had an excellent offseason. People blasting the Felton trade don't realize we traded gadzuric (worthless), jeffries (portlands gm admitted he has knee issues) a 2016 second round pick, and two Greeks that will never play for us, for a good rotation pg and a good backup pf that has been healthy.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #467 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:08 pm

cgmw wrote:I didn't see what Carmelo said, but it doesn't make any difference. My own two eyes watching this team and its track-record for three decades, particularly the last two under Dolan, are all the proof I need that the top-down decision making is totally F'd over there at Penn Plaza.

Right your two eyes is all youre going off of, oh and daily news articles. Did you learn anything in the last three decades about the quality of their sourcing and articles or is this just a one way street against Dolan?

goshjosh · Post #468 » by **goshjosh** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:09 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
UnderdogKnicks wrote:James Dolan needs to be assassinated if he doesn't match Lin simple as that.

Again, really?

my goodness, if they don't match, it's because there are legitimate reasons not to. Grunny and Dolly are not that stupid. You don't get handed the GM spot on a silver platter. If they don't match (which I doubt) then it's because they're making a calculated decision. Of course it isn't always going to be the right decision, but you don't know until these three years have been played out. I can think of plenty of times where GM's/Owners have gone against the grain and prevailed. *cough Reggie Miller.

adjacent2bench · Post #469 » by **adjacent2bench** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:09 pm

What in the ...

goshjosh · Post #470 » by **goshjosh** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:10 pm

adjacent2bench wrote:What in the ...

Whens the last time the Daily News posted something legit?

cgmw · Post #471 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:12 pm

j4remi wrote:
cgmw wrote:
j4remi wrote:Because if Lin fails that audition we can't dump his contract, even as an expiring I'd doubt it. Even if we tried next year, the looming 15 million dollar year will scare teams. We don't have the assets to salary dump unless Copeland is as good as some people are wishfully thinking.

Who cares if we can't dump it? So what?

IT EXPIRES!

You played this same concept out in the Fields thread pretending that Dolan doesn't care about money...obviously he let Fields walk because at some point there is a bottom line. If HIS TEAM can't dump it HE has to pay 40+ million dollars for that expiring contract. He's GOT to be somewhat worried about that possibility. I have no personal stake, but there are obvious reasons for management to think twice, although stevieg's stretch provision is something I hadn't heard of and that would certainly soften the blow.

Whoa now, let's be fair. I never said Dolan doesn't care about money. I said the only reason to get rid of Landry is because Dolan cares about money over basketball.

My entire argument was that the BASKETBALL decision to keep Fields is clear because it was an exception to the CBA that either didn't hurt our flexibility or actually gave us more roster options later. I never claimed Dolan doesn't care about money. On the contrary, I kept saying I'd be shocked if he actually matched. My point was MONEY was the only reason to let him walk.

In the case of letting Lin's CBA exception go to Houston with no compensation, it seems that money is just an excuse for something much worse.

Dolan is supposed to be the steward of our franchise, making decisions in its best interest. If matching Lin puts the Knicks in financial peril, then let him walk. But it doesn't. If matching Lin makes us a better basketball team, then match Lin. It really is that simple.

god shammgod · Post #472 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:13 pm

cgmw wrote:
god shammgod wrote:no matter what happens the pressure and scrutiny for lin is going to be insane after all this. he's gonna have to play like an all-star to live up to it.

You mean Linsane?

Eh, it's overstated. People have no memory, which is why owners can get away with antics like this. With or without Jeremy, the fans will be happy if we're winning and will be incensed if we're not.

i'm not talking about us, i'm talking about him. as long as we're winning everyone is happy here. but they're treating him like lebron and he's not that good. who isn't going to be watching this kid next year to see what he does ? he handles pressure well but this is getting insane.

watchmen77 · Post #473 » by **watchmen77** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:14 pm

god shammgod · Post #474 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:14 pm

i want to keep lin but truthfully missing out on nash was a bigger blow and people got over that rather quickly. this whole thing has been crazy.

cgmw · Post #475 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:15 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
cgmw wrote:I didn't see what Carmelo said, but it doesn't make any difference. My own two eyes watching this team and its track-record for three decades, particularly the last two under Dolan, are all the proof I need that the top-down decision making is totally F'd over there at Penn Plaza.

Right your two eyes is all youre going off of, oh and daily news articles. Did you learn anything in the last three decades about the quality of their sourcing and articles or is this just a one way street against Dolan?

Dude, I didn't even read the article. I read a quote on an internet message board of an article from a sh*tty inflammatory trashy tabloid, and that's really all the corroboration I need to justify my longstanding personal opinion based on years of observation/experience that Dolan is just an assclown of an owner who makes crappy decisions based on his own delusional ego instead of what's best for the franchise.

ZeroStatic2 · Post #476 » by **ZeroStatic2** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:16 pm

Jason Kidd - gone to the knicks
Steve Nash - gone
Gordon Dragic- gone
Kyle Lowery- gone
CJ Watson- gone
Aaron Brooks - gone
Raymond Fatton - gone to the knicks
OJ Mayo - gone whether he is a SG or PG

Houston's money is tied up now with Asik and Jeremy. Dolan is making sure the well in the Point Guard fountain is dried up and it is. Rockets are going to go in with T.D. as their PG and that's going to suck.

3StarburyAriza21 · Post #477 » by **3StarburyAriza21** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:17 pm

I don't understand how any Knick fan could perceive it as NOT a good move to match Lin. What happens if Felton is the same historically-bad PG he was last year in Portland and Kidd shows himself to be old and washed up? Then we're stuck with no PG for three years, which means we're completely screwed. If anything you just match for the depth and the ability to have options, since it's not like Felton or Kidd are anything close to sure things. And you just can't let a potential superstar walk like this for nothing. If he stays here and is a bust, you're just paying him two years at the MLE and then he's an expiring. It's over in three years. But if he walks and becomes a star? You never get another chance. And stars are so rare in this league that you can't just let a potential one walk. Especially one that was giftwrapped you twice--one when you claimed him on waivers, the other time when you won the Birds Rights hearing. This is so sickening.

stevieg987 · Post #478 » by **stevieg987** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:18 pm

god shammgod wrote:i want to keep lin but truthfully missing out on nash was a bigger blow and people got over that rather quickly. this whole thing has been crazy.

It was and it wasn't. Even after we lost out on Nash we still at least had Lin to fall back on. Now...

Post #479 » by **j4remi** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:19 pm

god shammgod wrote:i want to keep lin but truthfully missing out on nash was a bigger blow and people got over that rather quickly. this whole thing has been crazy.

Exactly, I tried to point this out yesterday when people said the franchise is crashing and burning.

god shammgod · Post #480 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:19 pm

stevieg987 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i want to keep lin but truthfully missing out on nash was a bigger blow and people got over that rather quickly. this whole thing has been crazy.

It was and it wasn't. Even after we lost out on Nash we still at least had Lin to fall back on. Now...

no it was. the knicks with nash were up there with anyone. with or without lin, we're still an underdog.