Jeremy Lin's Contract Saga: Part VII

[dainfamusgc]

Im glad some of you guys arent the gm seems like most of u would give lin a max deal lol. What has this guy proven. What happens when we match an the guy turns out to be a JAG


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It's about $8 million per year.

Want to hear about some actual max contracts? Joe Johnson is one. Amar'e is another.

I wasnt refering to the offer shert. Just saying it seems like ppl on here would give him a max deal based on his limited games, its ridiculous


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[god shammgod]

Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT
Kris Humphries will return to Nets on 2-yr, $24 mil deal. First reported by @ESPNSteinLine.
Mr. Kardashian got 12mill per.

Kimmy still makes three times more than him. LOL

That's what Lin makes over 3 years! LOL

Too much for Kardashian.

Wake up Dolan. If Humphries is worth $24M (and more because I'm sure Nets are into the tax), then Lin is worth $25M.

it's not about how much for lin, it's about that last year. if it were 8 per this would already be over. what's the net's overall salary now ? got to be pretty high.

[goshjosh]

If you think Lin is the difference in turning a championship contender then that's on you...Nash would have been that. As of now, Melo, Amare and TC are far more important than Lin in a championship effort in my opinion and thus, I'm not throwing such a fit over this move. I don't think Lin makes THAT big a difference from Felton/Kidd.

Cosign. Still think we should match though.

Double cosign.

Divided by cosec equals cotangent.

[adrenaLINe]

If the Knicks match, we should know sometime in the evening during prime time. The Knicks are all about attention.

If it gets passed 11:00pm, I would be extrmely worried.

I thought were talking about 10:59 pm being the deadline

[GONYK]

Im glad some of you guys arent the gm seems like most of u would give lin a max deal lol. What has this guy proven. What happens when we match an the guy turns out to be a JAG


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It's about $8 million per year.

Want to hear about some actual max contracts? Joe Johnson is one. Amar'e is another.

I wasnt refering to the offer shert. Just saying it seems like ppl on here would give him a max deal based on his limited games, its ridiculous


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You can't find one person here who would pay Lin $15M a season every season of his deal.

You're making a strawman.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

wow, kris huphries at 12 mill per and brook lopez at 15 mill per....smh

this is billy king stroking humphries' ego for throwing him in every trade possible to get dwight. Also, Billy King doesn't want to get on Dan Fegan's bad side and not get Dwight.

They still harbor hopes of somehow getting Howard in January.

[polarbears815]

KG where I think you are wrong is that you are overvalueing lin impact on this team. Can he be good...sure. Will he be a better player than Felton over the next 3 years...you can make a case for that as well. But Lin and Felton are secondary pieces. This chances at a championship are on Melo and Amare. Amare is the big piece to return to form. We have a lot of depth this year. Right now we have 3 capable PG's on the roster (Felton, Kidd, Pablo)...so we are better at PG this year than going into the playoffs. We have a better bench.

We are a better team than last year. But Lin was going to be a secondary piece...could he be a good secondary piece sure, but this isn't the end all be all here.

People see that magical 7 game run and only that.

Its like they do not realize that with LIN in the lineup the knicks were only 10-9 before Woodson took over. they ended up 16-10 before LIN shut it down for the season.

The woodson led knicks with bibby/davis running the point ended the season 12-5.

I submit that Woodson's impact was much more than important than LIN's impact.

I submit that Lin has a hard time guarding his position (PG). See how many games shump got switched on to the opposing guards PG if the PG was the better of the guards on the team.

I submit that as someone else pointed out Collison's season ending run his rookie year was as good as LIN's 20 game run where collison averaged 18 ppg, 8 assists, on 51% shooting and 48% 3pt fg . But he never had the hoopla that LIN is getting.

It will be extremely hard for LIN to live up to these crazy expectations Lin fans have. They think he will a 20 plus ppg a game, 10 assist a game on 50% shooting type of PG.

Because if he is just a 15ppg 7 assist PG, he really is not all that much better than felton who is getting paid less than half he is.

There really is no linsanity without shumpert being able to guard PGs and Novak shooting a crazy 46% from 3 land.

Even if that turns out to be true, why are we giving up an asset for nothing? We can keep both Felton and Lin and we'll have some great depth in our backcourt especially when Shumpert comes back. It makes no sense to let a young player with potential just walk when it does not impact our salary cap at all. The only price is the luxury tax Dolan will have to pay.

[dainfamusgc]

KG where I think you are wrong is that you are overvalueing lin impact on this team. Can he be good...sure. Will he be a better player than Felton over the next 3 years...you can make a case for that as well. But Lin and Felton are secondary pieces. This chances at a championship are on Melo and Amare. Amare is the big piece to return to form. We have a lot of depth this year. Right now we have 3 capable PG's on the roster (Felton, Kidd, Pablo)...so we are better at PG this year than going into the playoffs. We have a better bench.

We are a better team than last year. But Lin was going to be a secondary piece...could he be a good secondary piece sure, but this isn't the end all be all here.

People see that magical 7 game run and only that.

Its like they do not realize that with LIN in the lineup the knicks were only 10-9 before Woodson took over. they ended up 16-10 before LIN shut it down for the season.

The woodson led knicks with bibby/davis running the point ended the season 12-5.

I submit that Woodson's impact was much more than important than LIN's impact.

I submit that Lin has a hard time guarding his position (PG). See how many games shump got switched on to the opposing guards PG if the PG was the better of the guards on the team.

I submit that as someone else pointed out Collison's season ending run his rookie year was as good as LIN's 20 game run where collison averaged 18 ppg, 8 assists, on 51% shooting and 48% 3pt fg . But he never had the hoopla that LIN is getting.

It will be extremely hard for LIN to live up to these crazy expectations Lin fans have. They think he will a 20 plus ppg a game, 10 assist a game on 50% shooting type of PG.

Because if he is just a 15ppg 7 assist PG, he really is not all that much better than felton who is getting paid less than half he is.

There really is no linsanity without shumpert being able to guard PGs and Novak shooting a crazy 46% from 3 land.

Didnt u hear lin won all those games playing 1on5 [/green]


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[Falstaffxx]

Im glad some of you guys arent the gm seems like most of u would give lin a max deal lol. What has this guy proven. What happens when we match an the guy turns out to be a JAG


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It's about $8 million per year.

Want to hear about some actual max contracts? Joe Johnson is one. Amar'e is another.

I wasnt refering to the offer shert. Just saying it seems like ppl on here would give him a max deal based on his limited games, its ridiculous


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Oh, it "seems" that way to you, does it?

[K_ick_God]

I'm pretty confident in my predictions about Knick fan mob mentality. This will blow up in Melo's face first, and Felton's second. It will get ugly.

... This fourth-year option for Felton is another bad sign. Looks more like desperation to lock him in. Why give him an option at that older age?

I'm close to convinced -- on gut and some educated guesses -- that if we do match, it will represent a reversal of a decision to let him go. Way too much smoke to think that there is no fire. We must have decided to walk away from Lin and we'll see if they follow through on that or change course.

Oh we are back to blaming Melo?

I personally don't care about Melo and I'm fine that he tried to clean up the mess.

But I've been a Knick fan for 29 years and I understand (if not agree with) the mob mentality at MSG. Melo was already greeted with a bit of suspicion after he first got to NY. Now with the "ridiculous" quote and the bitterness of losing Lin, and the fact that all hope of a title will be gone, Melo will be a target every time the team doesn't play well.

Melo will be tortured by the fans. Even when he and the team are playing well enough, the hope will be drained out of MSG and anger will remain.

Forget about what I think or don't think about him myself, or how I feel, the fact of the matter will be that Melo will end his Knick career in a very heavy dose of misery.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Why do we torture ourselves like this? Its all so sadistic and pointless. I feel like the gimp from pulp fiction. Or maybe more like Ving Rhames while he's getting ass raped...depends on the day.

[Red Vines]

Time for Amar'e to order Keeping Up with the Kardashians on blu-ray to study his enemy.

[Realmatic]

whats interesting in this whole saga is that it was Newsday who reported Melo clarifying his comments and talking about how much he would love to have him back as does dolan. Thats the most factual thing in this whole fiasco. Considering newsday is owned by dolan, that can't be a bad sign.

every other paper in the area has been reporting on speculation with no facts to back up anything. As is ESPN.

[duetta]

I find it strange that people are not at least remotely irked that LIN RENEGOTIATED the terms of his deal with houston.

As Isiah said on perhaps his first or second day on the job, the NBA is a BUSINESS, specifically, THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS. Lin might be for real, or he might be a flash in the pan, so he has to remain focused on getting paid here.

He had no role in crafting any of the older CBAs or the present one. He's merely exploiting his opportunity to the fullest in the here and now, just as every other FA with a brain would (which excludes nitwits like JR Smith) had they not already earned a ton of money via a previous contract.

Now, I have no idea if Lin will achieve his upside as a player. But I do find a player who continually seeks to empower his teammates far more entertaining to watch than players who appear to be out merely to gratify themselves. And I suspect that I am not unusual in that regard.

[GONYK]

Once again, why do people keep focusing on the third year, and don't acknowledge that we get to audition him for 2 years at $5M/yr before we even need to entertain the idea of whether that third year is worth it?

[Falstaffxx]

to be honest... "Lin-only" fan want him out of this dump, away from his selfish, butt hurt teammates.

This whole "Lin-only" fan thing exists mostly in your mind. People are fans of the player who saved our season last year and are outraged by the notion of not bringing him back. That's being a real Knicks fan. Saying "f it, I don't care whether we bring him back" is being a fake fan.

[Jay10]

wow, kris huphries at 12 mill per and brook lopez at 15 mill per....smh

this is billy king stroking humphries' ego for throwing him in every trade possible to get dwight. Also, Billy King doesn't want to get on Dan Fegan's bad side and not get Dwight.

They still harbor hopes of somehow getting Howard in January.

that won't happen if he gets traded to the lakers before the season starts.

[Falstaffxx]

Why do we torture ourselves like this? Its all so sadistic and pointless. I feel like the gimp from pulp fiction. Or maybe more like Ving Rhames while he's getting ass *****...depends on the day.

This whole time I've been distinctly aware of the fact that I'm just making myself more miserable. But honestly this is going to affect me for the next year. The Knicks are a big part of my life. It sucks.

[K_ick_God]

it's not about how much for lin, it's about that last year. if it were 8 per this would already be over. what's the net's overall salary now ? got to be pretty high.

But that still means that you have to factor in $6M of savings over the first two years -- money that Dolan can deduct from the luxury tax hit in year 3.

The Nets' payroll now stands at about $78M.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Fox Sports:

People keep focusing on the final year of Lin's deal, which is the wrong thing. They’ll compare it to the contract of someone like LeBron James, who makes $18.3 million per season, and correctly note that Lin is not nearly as good as James.

But look, Goran Dragic signed with the Phoenix Suns for $30 million over four years. Lowry is now with the Toronto Raptors under a four-year, $24 million deal. Russell Westbrook’s contract with the Oklahoma Thunder is for five years, $80 million. Rajon Rondo’s with the Boston Celtics is for five years, $55 million. James’ contract is for six years, $110 million.

Jeremy Lin is not getting paid like a superstar. Lin is not going to make $14.8 million per season, he’s going to make $8.3 million.

Carmelo Anthony can call the deal ridiculous, and that can make it seem OK for everybody else to call it ridiculous. But saying it doesn’t make it true. A gallon of gas costs $3.30 where I live, and that seems ridiculous, too, but you’re either going to pay that price or you’re not going to be driving anywhere.

The market is what it is, and you can’t blame the Rockets for participating in it. You want them living off the grid, foraging for wild berries and Estonian point guards?

Lin might not end up being a great player, but he doesn’t have to be great to justify that contract. He just has to be a little bit better than Goran Dragic.