Jeremy Lin's Contract Saga: Part VII

seren · Post #661 » by **seren** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:40 pm

There are three possible outcomes with Lin:

1) He becomes a star and outperforms his contract. If this happens, not matching will be a huge embarrassment.

2) He becomes a good starting caliber PG but nothing special. If this happens, someone will still want to trade for him as long as he proves he belongs to the floor. Not matching will cost us an asset that we could get.

3) He proves to be a complete bust and does not belong to the NBA. If we match him, he will be either a very large expiring contract that could be used or he is waived and his remaining salary will be paid in three years. It won't be a 45 million dollar tax hit as some claims. It will just be an embarrassment like the many ones we had in the past and Dolan made them go away paying the salary.

Surely the mistake will not cost as much as letting Marbury sit at home for 20 million + tax

or Shandon Anderson for 21 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Jalen Rose for 15 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Larry Brown for however that much was.

watchmen77 · Post #662 » by **watchmen77** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:40 pm

blackbishop wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
KG where I think you are wrong is that you are overvalueing lin impact on this team. Can he be good...sure. Will he be a better player than Felton over the next 3 years...you can make a case for that as well. But Lin and Felton are secondary pieces. This chances at a championship are on Melo and Amare. Amare is the big piece to return to form. We have a lot of depth this year. Right now we have 3 capable PG's on the roster (Felton, Kidd, Pablo)...so we are better at PG this year than going into the playoffs. We have a better bench.

We are a better team than last year. But Lin was going to be a secondary piece...could he be a good secondary piece sure, but this isn't the end all be all here.

People see that magical 7 game run and only that.

Its like they do not realize that with LIN in the lineup the knicks were only 10-9 before Woodson took over. they ended up 16-10 before LIN shut it down for the season.

The woodson led knicks with bibby/davis running the point ended the season 12-5.

I submit that Woodson's impact was much more than important than LIN's impact.

I submit that Lin has a hard time guarding his position (PG). See how many games shump got switched on to the opposing guards PG if the PG was the better of the guards on the team.

I submit that as someone else pointed out Collison's season ending run his rookie year was as good as LIN's 20 game run where collison averaged 18 ppg, 8 assists, on 51% shooting and 48% 3pt fg . But he never had the hoopla that LIN is getting.

It will be extremely hard for LIN to live up to these crazy expectations Lin fans have. They think he will a 20 plus ppg a game, 10 assist a game on 50% shooting type of PG.

Because if he is just a 15ppg 7 assist PG, he really is not all that much better than felton who is getting paid less than half he is.

There really is no linsanity without shumpert being able to guard PGs and Novak shooting a crazy 46% from 3 land.

well, if Melo gave 100% effort, we may not go 10-9?

NOOB77 · Post #663 » by **NOOB77** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:41 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
I'm pretty confident in my predictions about Knick fan mob mentality. This will blow up in Melo's face first, and Felton's second. It will get ugly.

... This fourth-year option for Felton is another bad sign. Looks more like desperation to lock him in. Why give him an option at that older age?

I'm close to convinced -- on gut and some educated guesses -- that if we do match, it will represent a reversal of a decision to let him go. Way too much smoke to think that there is no fire. We must have decided to walk away from Lin and we'll see if they follow through on that or change course.

Oh we are back to blaming Melo?

I personally don't care about Melo and I'm fine that he tried to clean up the mess.

But I've been a Knick fan for 29 years and I understand (if not agree with) the mob mentality at MSG. Melo was already greeted with a bit of suspicion after he first got to NY. Now with the "ridiculous" quote and the bitterness of losing Lin, and the fact that all hope of a title will be gone, Melo will be a target every time the team doesn't play well.

Melo will be tortured by the fans. Even when he and the team are playing well enough, the hope will be drained out of MSG and anger will remain.

Forget about what I think or don't think about him myself, or how I feel, the fact of the matter will be that Melo will end his Knick career in a very heavy dose of misery.

I have been a Knick fan for sometime and I will tell you this. If we win it doesn't matter who is on the team. Win and everyone forgets. But I still think we match regardless.

Post #664 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:41 pm

GONYK wrote:Once again, why do people keep focusing on the third year, and don't acknowledge that we get to audition him for 2 years at $5M/yr before we even need to entertain the idea of whether that third year is worth it?

suicidedeuce · Post #665 » by **suicidedeuce** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:42 pm

KnicksGod wrote:I'm pretty confident in my predictions...

I'm close to convinced -- on gut and some educated guesses -- that if we do match, it will represent a reversal of a decision to let him go.

I'm not just pretty confident in my prediction, I ABSOLUTELY predicted unequivocally for the record this is exactly how you'd explain away your histrionics.

You're clearly hedging now with the change in the direction of the wind. You're rewriting the last few days so that NO MATTER what happens, you were right with every change in stance and the people who never wavered, who maintained a position, predicted the exact course of events, and suggested all the drama was for show, were wrong.

That's an incredible skill you possess.

jzmagik · Post #666 » by **jzmagik** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:42 pm

13 more hours until Lin is gone for good. Which Melo fan is gonna make the celebratory thread?

PSPUMD · Post #667 » by **PSPUMD** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:43 pm

is it normal for Stores to pull off a player's jersey before signing deadline ? don't see Jeremy Lin's Jersey anymore

AmazingJason · Post #668 » by **AmazingJason** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:44 pm

Damn, what the heck happened overnight? Melo pretty much confirmed that it was a formality that Lin is getting matched, just that the details need to be handled. Why is everyone so worried again?

cgmw · Post #669 » by **cgmw** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:44 pm

seren wrote:There are three possible outcomes with Lin:

1) He becomes a star and outperforms his contract. If this happens, not matching will be a huge embarrassment.

2) He becomes a good starting caliber PG but nothing special. If this happens, someone will still want to trade for him as long as he proves he belongs to the floor. Not matching will cost us an asset that we could get.

3) He proves to be a complete bust and does not belong to the NBA. If we match him, he will be either a very large expiring contract that could be used or he is waived and his remaining salary will be paid in three years. It won't be a 45 million dollar tax hit as some claims. It will just be an embarrassment like the many ones we had in the past and Dolan made them go away paying the salary.

Surely the mistake will not cost as much as letting Marbury sit at home for 20 million + tax

or Shandon Anderson for 21 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Jalen Rose for 15 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Larry Brown for however that much was.

Oooh oooh ooh, now do one for Ray Felton!

NYK210 · Post #670 » by **NYK210** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:44 pm

so are we back to us not matching Lin :lol:

Falstaffxx · Post #671 » by **Falstaffxx** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:44 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:I'm pretty confident in my predictions...

I'm close to convinced -- on gut and some educated guesses -- that if we do match, it will represent a reversal of a decision to let him go.

I'm not just pretty confident in my prediction, I ABSOLUTELY predicted unequivocally for the record this is exactly how you'd explain away your histrionics.

You're clearly hedging now with the change in the direction of the wind. You're rewriting the last few days so that NO MATTER what happens, you were right with every change in stance and the people who never wavered, who maintained a position, predicted the exact course of events, and suggested all the drama was for show, were wrong.

That's an incredible skill you possess.

That doesn't make sense. If we make the terrible decision to let Lin go, it's a disaster. If we don't, it's not a disaster. That's just logical. At worst, KnicksGod, me, and others, are being too believing of the "sources" saying no match.

Falstaffxx · Post #672 » by **Falstaffxx** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:45 pm

AmazingJason wrote:Damn, what the heck happened overnight? Melo pretty much confirmed that it was a formality that Lin is getting matched, just that the details need to be handled. Why is everyone so worried again?

No he didn't.

watchmen77 · Post #673 » by **watchmen77** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:45 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:

I personally don't care about Melo and I'm fine that he tried to clean up the mess.

But I've been a Knick fan for 29 years and I understand (if not agree with) the mob mentality at MSG. Melo was already greeted with a bit of suspicion after he first got to NY. Now with the "ridiculous" quote and the bitterness of losing Lin, and the fact that all hope of a title will be gone, Melo will be a target every time the team doesn't play well.

Melo will be tortured by the fans. Even when he and the team are playing well enough, the hope will be drained out of MSG and anger will remain.

Forget about what I think or don't think about him myself, or how I feel, the fact of the matter will be that Melo will end his Knick career in a very heavy dose of misery.

I have been a Knick fan for sometime and I will tell you this. If we win it doesn't matter who is on the team. Win and everyone forgets. But I still think we match regardless.

true. win and all good. But if they come out flat, lose in first or second round, or fatboy came in out of shape, they better prepare to hear from the fans after Lin leaves.

god shammgod · Post #674 » by **god shammgod** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:46 pm

this is gonna suck if the knicks are able to push this deadline back like some people are still claiming. just get it over with.

dainfamusgc · Post #675 » by **dainfamusgc** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:46 pm

seren wrote:There are three possible outcomes with Lin:

1) He becomes a star and outperforms his contract. If this happens, not matching will be a huge embarrassment.

2) He becomes a good starting caliber PG but nothing special. If this happens, someone will still want to trade for him as long as he proves he belongs to the floor. Not matching will cost us an asset that we could get.

3) He proves to be a complete bust and does not belong to the NBA. If we match him, he will be either a very large expiring contract that could be used or he is waived and his remaining salary will be paid in three years. It won't be a 45 million dollar tax hit as some claims. It will just be an embarrassment like the many ones we had in the past and Dolan made them go away paying the salary.

Surely the mistake will not cost as much as letting Marbury sit at home for 20 million + tax

or Shandon Anderson for 21 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Jalen Rose for 15 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Larry Brown for however that much was.

He wont just be an expiring bc if we deal with a team over the cap we'd have to take back 85% in salary (not sure on % it could be 75) but it'll be more contracts we'd have to take back

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suicidedeuce · Post #676 » by **suicidedeuce** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:46 pm

KnicksGod wrote:I personally don't care about Melo and I'm fine that he tried to clean up the mess.

You did very much Sunday and Monday.

Forget about what I think or don't think about him myself, or how I feel...

Backtracking. You posted "think about it" followed by you instructing others how you think and felt many, many times.

You're saving face now.

Post #677 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:46 pm

AmazingJason wrote:Damn, what the heck happened overnight? Melo pretty much confirmed that it was a formality that Lin is getting matched, just that the details need to be handled. Why is everyone so worried again?

WTF are you talking about?

Seriously...what has happened to people's ability to comprehend what they read?

AmazingJason · Post #678 » by **AmazingJason** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:46 pm

LOL, I also saw that there some comments about Dolan being extinguished (note: not by Amare) in different ways. I'm glad that poster is taking a break from the boards.

Realmatic · Post #679 » by **Realmatic** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:47 pm

i find i funny how no media outlet is talking about melos comments from last night.

seren · Post #680 » by **seren** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:47 pm

cgmw wrote:
seren wrote:There are three possible outcomes with Lin:

1) He becomes a star and outperforms his contract. If this happens, not matching will be a huge embarrassment.

2) He becomes a good starting caliber PG but nothing special. If this happens, someone will still want to trade for him as long as he proves he belongs to the floor. Not matching will cost us an asset that we could get.

3) He proves to be a complete bust and does not belong to the NBA. If we match him, he will be either a very large expiring contract that could be used or he is waived and his remaining salary will be paid in three years. It won't be a 45 million dollar tax hit as some claims. It will just be an embarrassment like the many ones we had in the past and Dolan made them go away paying the salary.

Surely the mistake will not cost as much as letting Marbury sit at home for 20 million + tax

or Shandon Anderson for 21 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Jalen Rose for 15 million + tax (and play for someone else)

or Larry Brown for however that much was.

Oooh oooh ooh, now do one for Ray Felton!

There are two possibilities with Raymond Felton:

1) He will eat himself out of the league.

2) He will eat himself out of this world.