Jeremy Lin's Contract Saga: Part VII

omerome · Post #1321 » by **omerome** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:42 pm

Oakley is rambling about a whole lot of nothing.

Post #1322 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:42 pm

makeitstop wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Are you ready to convince yourself that Felton can lead the Knicks to a title? Simple question. Or are you saying that you will still invest even though you'd know the Knicks are stuck with this roster and stuck with no chance at a title?

I'll be 100% honest here.

The chances that the Knicks will win a title - either with or without Lin - are extremely slim no matter which way you decide to slice it.

As far as I'm concerned and given the fact that there is a team in Florida that will dominate the league until age and/or injury intervene, Ray Felton's chances and Lin's chances of leading NYK to a title are pretty much even.

I say that because while we know Felton's shortcomings and are familiar with them, Lin is a tabula rasa - a blank slate upon which people can project the rosiest scenario possible. If he continues to improve, he may lead the Knicks to the promised land. If he works on his game and overcomes his deficiencies, he'll be in the pantheon.

If, if, if. I look at it as an open question, while you and others accept Lin developing into a top PG as a matter of faith. I can't do that, because that is a setup for disappointment if he just becomes average or goes the route of so many other Knick prospects who showed big promise and failed to live up to it.

As a result, I am completely resigned to letting chips fall. If Lin is back, he's my dude. If they don't match and he goes to Texas, good luck to him in every circumstance except when he faces the Knicks.

If we end up having to ride with Ray Felton, I'm good. I want to see how Woodson integrates the Hoveround crew to augment the starters, and I'll be happy to see a full season without the ridiculous compression of last season.

Repeating what I said up top, we've got just about as good a chance at a title with Felton as with Lin, because the Three Amigos with Ray Ray are standing in the way of both of them.

I don't begrudge anyone's feelings toward Lin, but I'm looking at it differently from most of you.

Either way. NYK, ride or die.

Cool, I can genuinely respect and even admire everything you just said.

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #1323 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:42 pm

Jay10 wrote:charles oakley just became another person for some to hate on this forum.

He's already been considered somewhat of an anti-Knick outsider lately to many.

Post #1324 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:42 pm

Charles Oakley hasn't said anything intelligent or beneficial to the Knicks in like a decade. What were people expecting?

MKCATL · Post #1325 » by **MKCATL** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

The further the day goes along I think it's less likely we match

blumatic · Post #1326 » by **blumatic** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

WHo the hell is Jerry Lynn?

21shumpst · Post #1327 » by **21shumpst** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

Ginger Bean wrote:Do you think the FO doesn't want Lin back because he's a distraction? Woodson doesn't seem like the kind of guy who likes that BS. I mean, I'm a huge Lin fan, but it's like everything is in an orbit around him, and it's like a black hole for the other players.

This is the NY Knicks, everything is a distraction. If not Lin, next year its gonna be Melo vs. Stat again or Stat vs. TC... it will never stop, so might as well keep as many assets as you can.

Red Vines · Post #1328 » by **Red Vines** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

blumatic wrote:WHo the hell is Jerry Lynn?

Played under Mike Dantana.

CU_NY09 · Post #1329 » by **CU_NY09** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

when did jeremy lin become a selfish chucker?

Fury · Post #1330 » by **Fury** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

blumatic wrote:WHo the hell is Jerry Lynn?

ECW Wrestler

Jay10 · Post #1331 » by **Jay10** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

omerome wrote:Oakley is rambling about a whole lot of nothing.

is this because he isn't agreeing with some who say jeremy lin has to be re-signed?

don't panac · Post #1332 » by **don't panac** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:44 pm

Knicker23 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:You're morphing into TKF before our eyes.

Gallo:TKF Lin:KG

it ain't a good look.

it's true

but i have to say both reactions are representative of a very large fraction off knicks fans (maybe not on realGM, but definitively out in the streets and at the garden).

gallo and especially lin have been by far the most loved knicks players in the last few years. people got invested in them personally, wanted them to succeed and to become something.
part of it is they were/are excited of being 'there' from the beginning.
I have not seen anything like that for any other players recently. certainly not melo. i was at the garden his first game after the trade, and -to be sure- it was rocking. but the excitement didn't spill out of the building, in the streets.
people didn't care. they were not excited.
For those who don't live in the city, it is hard to explain the weeks of linsanity. it was unreal.
everyone was into it. everyone.
cab drivers, doormen, deli clerks, lotto ticket sellers, doctors, students, old ladies. everyone.

omerome · Post #1333 » by **omerome** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:44 pm

Jay10 wrote:
omerome wrote:Oakley is rambling about a whole lot of nothing.

is this because he isn't agreeing with some who say jeremy lin has to be re-signed?

No. He is really rambling. Some points I agree with but he is really just talking a lot.

Knicker23 · Post #1334 » by **Knicker23** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:44 pm

Jay10 wrote:
omerome wrote:Oakley is rambling about a whole lot of nothing.

is this because he isn't agreeing with some who say jeremy lin has to be re-signed?

Very true.

suicidedeuce · Post #1335 » by **suicidedeuce** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:45 pm

makeitstop wrote:Lin is a tabula rasa - a blank slate upon which people can project the rosiest scenario possible. If he continues to improve, he may lead the Knicks to the promised land. If he works on his game and overcomes his deficiencies, he'll be in the pantheon.

Well, well put. And I say that as someone who believe in Lin and hopes the rosiest scenario is possible, but I can recognize the truth of what you just posted at the same time.

Red Vines · Post #1336 » by **Red Vines** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:45 pm

I saw Oakley tweet yesterday that they shouldn't let Lin go for nothing. Must have changed his mind. Deleted that convo.

blumatic · Post #1337 » by **blumatic** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:45 pm

Fury wrote:
blumatic wrote:WHo the hell is Jerry Lynn?

ECW Wrestler

So that's who Oakley was talking about. Ofcourse he cant play point for the Knicks.

AmazingJason · Post #1338 » by **AmazingJason** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:46 pm

don't panac wrote:
Knicker23 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:You're morphing into TKF before our eyes.

Gallo:TKF Lin:KG

it ain't a good look.

it's true

but i have to say both reactions are representative of a very large fraction off knicks fans (maybe not on realGM, but definitively out in the streets and at the garden).

gallo and especially lin have been by far the most loved knicks players in the last few years. people got invested in them personally, wanted them to succeed and to become something.
part of it is they were/are excited of being 'there' from the beginning.
I have not seen anything like that for any other players recently. certainly not melo. i was at the garden his first game after the trade, and -to be sure- it was rocking. but the excitement didn't spill out of the building, in the streets.
people didn't care. they were not excited.
For those who don't live in the city, it is hard to explain the weeks of linsanity. it was unreal.
everyone was into it. everyone.
cab drivers, doormen, deli clerks, lotto ticket sellers, doctors, students, old ladies. everyone.

'Cause Melo is a mercenary...and he ain't exactly the most charming one...

CU_NY09 · Post #1339 » by **CU_NY09** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Jay10 wrote:
omerome wrote:Oakley is rambling about a whole lot of nothing.

is this because he isn't agreeing with some who say jeremy lin has to be re-signed?

Oakley hasn't said whether to match or not to match Lin. He just keeps saying that Lin should play within himself (i agree) and shouldn't expect to be a superstar alongside melo/amare/chandler.

Post #1340 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:46 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:MSG will be a morgue or a hostile environment. I promise you.

Its very, very easy to make a conditional prediction, when the condition is likely not to be met. That is the game you're playing.

Well, KNicks matched, but I WOULD have been right.

And even ignoring that for a moment.

When the Knicks beat the Lakers, to run their record to 12-15, do you think all 19k fans were operating under the premise the team was now a championship contender.

My guess is they were reacting to winning an exciting game, and a great story, rather than in their collective sophistication had determined, Jeremy Lin, starter for 4 games, was the missing piece to championship contention.

Knicks were the laughing stock of the league for 10 years. Fans kept coming, ready to embrace any win where they could find it.

They shouted M-V-P for Stat during the first 2 months of marginal winning after a 10 year moratorium.

They went crazy for comeback victories during 27 win series.

Your first mistake is assuming Lin is going.

Your second is ignoring recent history to predict the response if he does.

Two time loser

You presume to know what I believe in my heart ... and yet you say we couldn't possibly know what's going on from all of the NYT reports that Lin is likely to go, a reasonable interpretation of the Felton trade as an emergency patch trade, ETC.

Hypocritical right? You think you know what I think -- that I believe Lin is really not going anywhere -- but you say we can't possibly know what's going on from all of the available evidence.

lol

So how come you can read my mind but we can't read media reports?

Double standard.

I

believe

that

Lin

is

leaving.

I hope I'm wrong. But it doesn't change what I think.

What an arrogant point of view you hold -- that you can read things in people's minds but nobody should draw any conclusions from real evidence.

Fail.