NBA Summer League in Las Vegas (July 13 to 22)

Nivek · Post #221 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:49 pm

In Nick Young's junior year at USC, he averaged 1.6 assists per 40 minutes. In Jeremy Lamb's sophomore season at Connecticut, he averaged 1.8 assists per 40 minutes.

Perhaps Lamb's playmaking potential showed in the way he got the extra 0.2 assists per 40 minutes.

payitforward · Post #222 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:30 pm

hands11 wrote:Hey CCJ

Royce busting it out.

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/games/ ... einfo.html

point forward.

10 rebounds 7 assists. 11 pts in 26 minutes. He got some Barkley comparisons there.

Lesson. Don't over judge anyone based on the first couple summer league games.

That said, As for Lamb. Looks like a Nick was an attitude and more brains.

Good call on White; that's quite a line he had. Terrence Jones looks to have played well too; ditto Motiejunas. And Machado had 10 assists.

In 24 minutes Jeremy Lamb had 2 rebounds, no assists, no steals and 3 turnovers. Don't know about the attitude, but I'm not buying the more brains part yet. Better shooter than Nick I think -- give him that.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #223 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:55 pm

hands11 wrote:Hey CCJ

Royce busting it out.

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/games/ ... einfo.html

point forward.

10 rebounds 7 assists. 11 pts in 26 minutes. He got some Barkley comparisons there.

Lesson. Don't over judge anyone based on the first couple summer league games.

That said, As for Lamb. Looks like a Nick was an attitude and more brains.

Royce White had a very good game. What registered even more than White's totals were Thomas Robinson's 5 turnovers and 7 fouls, with (just) 8 rebounds in 10 more minutes.

Lesson noted, hands.

Nivek · Post #224 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:04 pm

The real lesson is don't judge anyone by summer league, good or bad.

Dat2U · Post #225 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:08 pm

Nivek wrote:The real lesson is don't judge anyone by summer league, good or bad.

I agree on the good, but not the bad. If a guy is really struggling, I think you can read into it. If a guy can't get into the lane or finish in the paint against marginal summer league talent. Or can't defend scrubs, he's probably going to struggle as well against legit competition.

I'm seeing a ton of red flags with Thomas Robinson who hasn't played well at all.

Severn Hoos · Post #226 » by **Severn Hoos** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:48 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:The real lesson is don't judge anyone by summer league, good or bad.

I agree on the good, but not the bad. If a guy is really struggling, I think you can read into it. If a guy can't get into the lane or finish in the paint against marginal summer league talent. Or can't defend scrubs, he's probably going to struggle as well against legit competition.

I'm seeing a ton of red flags with Thomas Robinson who hasn't played well at all.

I, for one, am shocked that Robinson has not been able to hit 50% from the floor in any of his games so far. And that his last game of 5/13 shooting (that's 38%, right?) actually raised his FG% for the SL. Or that in the previous game, he had 4 shot attempts blocked. Who would have guessed?

I know, too much snark. I really do hope he succeeds, he seems like a good kid with a great life story (not that he's had a great life, but that he's overcome so much and stayed grounded through it all). But that doesn't change the fact that I think he'd have been a definite disappointment for the Wiz as a top-3 pick.

DCZards · Post #227 » by **DCZards** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:08 pm

TRob is simply too good to shoot below 40% at the next level, imo. His struggles (or successes) in 4-5 SL games shouldn't lead to any firm opinions about his potential as a pro. I'm in the camp of those who believe that you should take with a grain of salt both the good and bad results from SL play.

Dat2U · Post #228 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:19 pm

DCZards wrote:TRob is simply too good to shoot below 40% at the next level, imo. His struggles (or successes) in 4-5 SL games shouldn't lead to any firm opinions about his potential as a pro. I'm in the camp of those who believe that you should take with a grain of salt both the good and bad results from SL play.

Please explain how he is "simply too good" to fail? I suspect he won't shoot below 40% either for his career. But a PF shooting significantly below 50% isn't very good either.

And I'm certainly not judging Robinson solely off his SL performance, but many of the same concerns I had about him before the draft are being intensified by his poor SL showing. His ability to finish around the rim, an incomplete face up game with a shaky jumper.

I said before the draft that Robinson would likely have to adapt to a lower usage role at the next level. And if he didn't develop a reliable jumper, he was likely going to disappoint. His SL performance is not only confirming my questions about him but he's even playing worse than I had imagined.

BruceO · Post #229 » by **BruceO** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:19 pm

Tony wroten matchup should be interesting, he was one of the people I was interested in trading to his range

DCZards · Post #230 » by **DCZards** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:40 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Please explain how he is "simply too good" to fail? I suspect he won't shoot below 40% either for his career. But a PF shooting significantly below 50% isn't very good either.

When I said TRob would not shoot below 40% I didn't mean to suggest he wouldn't shoot over 50%. And, as I said, we're talking about SL where perceptions of players' abilities--both good and bad--often turn out to be wrong.

Nivek · Post #231 » by **Nivek** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:42 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:The real lesson is don't judge anyone by summer league, good or bad.

I agree on the good, but not the bad. If a guy is really struggling, I think you can read into it. If a guy can't get into the lane or finish in the paint against marginal summer league talent. Or can't defend scrubs, he's probably going to struggle as well against legit competition.

I'm seeing a ton of red flags with Thomas Robinson who hasn't played well at all.

I don't think even the bad means much considering we're talking 5 games and what 100-150 minutes tops. I'd agree that a guy playing bad in summer league is more of a negative sign than a guy playing well in summer league is an encouraging sign.

llcc25 · Post #232 » by **llcc25** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:32 am

The only encouraging sign from watching wiz in summer league is that beal is going to be a very good sg for us for years to come. I have little confidence and hope that singleton and vesely can be anything more than backup rotation players. I expected a little more from our first round picks last year. And Mack simply is horrible. D league player at best. Gosh I wish we had a mulligan for last year so we could've picked klay Thompson and Faried.

hands11 · Post #233 » by **hands11** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:54 am

llcc25 wrote:The only encouraging sign from watching wiz in summer league is that beal is going to be a very good sg for us for years to come. I have little confidence and hope that singleton and vesely can be anything more than backup rotation players. I expected a little more from our first round picks last year. And Mack simply is horrible. D league player at best. Gosh I wish we had a mulligan for last year so we could've picked klay Thompson and Faried.

Ves will be better this year then last. And I believe he will be better the following year then this year.

He doesn't need to be a starter right now. He needs to be ready in like 2 years.

Severn Hoos · Post #234 » by **Severn Hoos** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:34 am

Umm, why in the world is Byron (BJ) Mullens still playing in Summer League games?

Oh wait, I guess it's the same reason Nick was playing after 4 years in the league, and Blatche seemingly played for 6 Summers.

Well, I guess it worked out OK for them, so I'm sure the Bobs will be happy with Mr. Mullens.

Dat2U · Post #235 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:26 am

hands11 wrote:
Ves will be better this year then last. And I believe he will be better the following year then this year.

He doesn't need to be a starter right now. He needs to be ready in like 2 years.

Well I should hope so!

The question isn't whether he's ready to be a starter now, we already know that answer to that. The real question is whether he can find a spot in the Wizards rotation this or the following season. Most teams have a rotation of 3 bigs that see regular and consistent minutes. Right now that looks like Nene, Okafor and Seraphin. The fourth big typically will see spot minutes but their may be nights where they see little to no action. Right now I think Booker is the more useful and impactful player at this point. The fifth big is just hoping someone gets hurt or traded so they get an opportunity. Right now Vesely is our fifth best big. I've seen nothing in the summer league to change that.

And if he's not going to play the next two seasons, he's not really going to have the chance to improve significantly.

80sballboy · Post #236 » by **80sballboy** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:14 am

Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:The real lesson is don't judge anyone by summer league, good or bad.

I agree on the good, but not the bad. If a guy is really struggling, I think you can read into it. If a guy can't get into the lane or finish in the paint against marginal summer league talent. Or can't defend scrubs, he's probably going to struggle as well against legit competition.

I'm seeing a ton of red flags with Thomas Robinson who hasn't played well at all.

Go back and watch him play against North Carolina. Forget the stats. He can't create his own shot and is an undersized 4. Will play his a-s-s off though.

closg00 · Post #237 » by **closg00** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:38 am

Lamb to Jones
http://www.sportando.net/video/ita/1190 ... -lamb.html

Jay81 · Post #238 » by **Jay81** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:07 pm

Sullinger was 3-15 last night against the Bulls in SL. Thats scary

DCZards · Post #239 » by **DCZards** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:05 pm

Dion Waiters is shooting 30 percent from the floor entering Thursday’s summer league game against the Timberwolves and has struggled at times defensively.

“The biggest thing with him is conditioning,” Scott said. “Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come.”

Scott believes Waiters needs to drop about 10 pounds as well as work on his defensive technique.

“He’s so used to zone [defense] the last couple of seasons that he stands around a lot on the defensive end,” Scott said. “We have to get him out of that. He has a ways to go in that department.”

TRob has taken a lot heat on this board for his performance in the SL, but it seems like Dion Waters may have even more issues since he not only struggled offensively and defensively, he's also apparently out of shape. The Cavs surprised a lot of people by taking Waiters with the 4th pick...I'm thinking they may regret not drafting J. Lamb instead.

truwizfan4evr · Post #240 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:15 pm

Dion Waiters is shooting 30 percent from the floor entering Thursday’s summer league game against the Timberwolves and has struggled at times defensively.

“The biggest thing with him is conditioning,” Scott said. “Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come.”

Scott believes Waiters needs to drop about 10 pounds as well as work on his defensive technique.

“He’s so used to zone [defense] the last couple of seasons that he stands around a lot on the defensive end,” Scott said. “We have to get him out of that. He has a ways to go in that

Wow already and his health is an issue. I wonder if cavs fans regret drafting this guy