Official Speculation Thread (Pt.XXXIX Off-Season Edition)

[MAGICian619]

Don't worry guys, Rockets already lost both Dragic and Lowry this summer, and at 11:59pm tonight, when they lose out on Jeremy Lin, they will be begging for Chris Duhon!!

You gotta believe!!

At this point I suspect the Rockets are praying their offer sheet for Lin is matched.

According to stein, thats not happening

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
RT @HowardBeckNYT: Posting momentarily to http://nytimes.com: Lin will be a Rocket. Knicks deliberations over

I still bet that Knicks match at last minute.

[rcklsscognition]

Asik hasn't signed anything yet. There is nothing to match as of now. Even if he did get to Houston, it changes nothing because Houston was never offering that ridiculous trade that took back every bad contract we have. They'd still have ~34 million in cap space after signing Lin Asik and a couple rookies.

Martin is 13
Asik is 8.3
Lin is 8.3
Rookies/vets is 5-10

So roughly 40 million in salary commitments.

Quite sure it is structured that the available caproom will be just enough to absorb Dwight w/o sending about Martin.

Assumed they are sending KMart. They have like 5 mil in guarunteed contracts and can either cut or move the rest of the guys. Draft pick money depends on who they send to us. Probably a couple mil there. Even at 10 mil, that's 10+16.6=26.6 mil with $31,444,000. I assumed they would trade us at least Kmart and 3 or 4 million of expiring which even in the most likely trade, is not much.

[Orlando Tragic]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1196564

lmfao

Wow, what a melt down.

[rcklsscognition]

The league office has confirmed the Knicks will not match on Lin.

[TheMagicOne]

For all you guys that think draft picks are the way to go, you only need to look at the carnage that draft sometime become. Just take the 2002 draft class for example. GO get Bynum and take your chances he resigns. The chances are much higher than getting lucky in the draft. Even Nicholson may end up being a bust just based on draft history. I remember when Ely and Wilcox were supposed to be the next great big men. That is how it goes. The draft gets over hyped and stupid teams trade for players who have yet to prove themselves. Trading a star player for draft picks is ridiculous when you have a chance to get a sure thing in Bynum. He may not be Howard, but we will not get an equal return no matter what.

#1 - Yao Ming - Injury Career Ending
#2 - Jay Williams - Injury Career Ending
#3 - Mike Dunleavy - Mid-level Exception Player
#4 - Drew Gooden - Head case and Mid-level Exception P;ayer
#5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili - #30 on the list of the worst 100 draft picks ever.
#6 - Dajuan Wagner - Couldn't take a dump, had to have colon removed, out of league.
#7 - Nene - Constantly injured and paid at $13 mil per year. (has missed 2 whole seasons from injury)
#8 - Chris Wilcox - Signed Mid-level $3 mil with Boston
#9 - Amar'e Stoudemire - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS on a MAX DEAL
#10 - Caron Butler - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS and on a $8 mil deal with clips not even starting.
#11 - Jared Jeffries - Poster boy for overpaid contracts prior to Rashard Lewis. Barely productive.
#12 - Melvin Ely - Out after rookie deal
#13 - Marcus Haislip - WAIVED during rookie contract
#14 - Fred Jones - Out of league after rookie deal
#15 - Jiří Welsch - Out of League in 4 years
#16 - Boštjan Nachbar - Out of league after rookie deal
#17 - Juan Dixon - Out after rookie deal
#18 - Curtis Borchardt - Never played a minute of NBA ball INJURED
#19 - Ryan Humphrey - Out after Rookie Deal
#20 - Kareem Rush - Out after rookie deal
#21 - Qyntel Woods - WAIVED before rookie deal ends
#22 - Casey Jacobsen - Out after Rookie deal
#23 - Tayshaun Prince - Only solid NBA player not injury prone and won a NBA title.
#24 - Nenad Krstić - Lasted 5 years in the league.
#25 - Frank Williams - WAIVED during rookie deal.
#26 - John Salmons - Still in league and has had a respectable career.
#27 - Chris Jefferies - Waived during rookie deal. Only played 72 games in career.
#28 - Dan Dickau - For two years straight was put in a deal and PAID not to play.

[rcklsscognition]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1196564

lmfao

Wow, what a melt down.

Lot of emotion in that thread. None of it positive.

[Ahmadab]

For all you guys that think draft picks are the way to go, you only need to look at the carnage that draft sometime become. Just take the 2002 draft class for example. GO get Bynum and take your chances he resigns. The chances are much higher than getting lucky in the draft. Even Nicholson may end up being a bust just based on draft history. I remember when Ely and Wilcox were supposed to be the next great big men. That is how it goes. The draft gets over hyped and stupid teams trade for players who have yet to prove themselves. Trading a star player for draft picks is ridiculous when you have a chance to get a sure thing in Bynum. He may not be Howard, but we will not get an equal return no matter what.

#1 - Yao Ming - Injury Career Ending
#2 - Jay Williams - Injury Career Ending
#3 - Mike Dunleavy - Mid-level Exception Player
#4 - Drew Gooden - Head case and Mid-level Exception P;ayer
#5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili - #30 on the list of the worst 100 draft picks ever.
#6 - Dajuan Wagner - Couldn't take a dump, had to have colon removed, out of league.
#7 - Nene - Constantly injured and paid at $13 mil per year. (has missed 2 whole seasons from injury)
#8 - Chris Wilcox - Signed Mid-level $3 mil with Boston
#9 - Amar'e Stoudemire - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS on a MAX DEAL
#10 - Caron Butler - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS and on a $8 mil deal with clips not even starting.
#11 - Jared Jeffries - Poster boy for overpaid contracts prior to Rashard Lewis. Barely productive.
#12 - Melvin Ely - Out after rookie deal
#13 - Marcus Haislip - WAIVED during rookie contract
#14 - Fred Jones - Out of league after rookie deal
#15 - Jiří Welsch - Out of League in 4 years
#16 - Boštjan Nachbar - Out of league after rookie deal
#17 - Juan Dixon - Out after rookie deal
#18 - Curtis Borchardt - Never played a minute of NBA ball INJURED
#19 - Ryan Humphrey - Out after Rookie Deal
#20 - Kareem Rush - Out after rookie deal
#21 - Qyntel Woods - WAIVED before rookie deal ends
#22 - Casey Jacobsen - Out after Rookie deal
#23 - Tayshaun Prince - Only solid NBA player not injury prone and won a NBA title.
#24 - Nenad Krstić - Lasted 5 years in the league.
#25 - Frank Williams - WAIVED during rookie deal.
#26 - John Salmons - Still in league and has had a respectable career.
#27 - Chris Jefferies - Waived during rookie deal. Only played 72 games in career.
#28 - Dan Dickau - For two years straight was put in a deal and PAID not to play.

Anyone and everyone is vulnerable to a career ending injury. Bynum especially because of all his health concerns.

[MAGICian619]

For all you guys that think draft picks are the way to go, you only need to look at the carnage that draft sometime become. Just take the 2002 draft class for example. GO get Bynum and take your chances he resigns. The chances are much higher than getting lucky in the draft. Even Nicholson may end up being a bust just based on draft history. I remember when Ely and Wilcox were supposed to be the next great big men. That is how it goes. The draft gets over hyped and stupid teams trade for players who have yet to prove themselves. Trading a star player for draft picks is ridiculous when you have a chance to get a sure thing in Bynum. He may not be Howard, but we will not get an equal return no matter what.

#1 - Yao Ming - Injury Career Ending
#2 - Jay Williams - Injury Career Ending
#3 - Mike Dunleavy - Mid-level Exception Player
#4 - Drew Gooden - Head case and Mid-level Exception P;ayer
#5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili - #30 on the list of the worst 100 draft picks ever.
#6 - Dajuan Wagner - Couldn't take a dump, had to have colon removed, out of league.
#7 - Nene - Constantly injured and paid at $13 mil per year. (has missed 2 whole seasons from injury)
#8 - Chris Wilcox - Signed Mid-level $3 mil with Boston
#9 - Amar'e Stoudemire - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS on a MAX DEAL
#10 - Caron Butler - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS and on a $8 mil deal with clips not even starting.
#11 - Jared Jeffries - Poster boy for overpaid contracts prior to Rashard Lewis. Barely productive.
#12 - Melvin Ely - Out after rookie deal
#13 - Marcus Haislip - WAIVED during rookie contract
#14 - Fred Jones - Out of league after rookie deal
#15 - Jiří Welsch - Out of League in 4 years
#16 - Boštjan Nachbar - Out of league after rookie deal
#17 - Juan Dixon - Out after rookie deal
#18 - Curtis Borchardt - Never played a minute of NBA ball INJURED
#19 - Ryan Humphrey - Out after Rookie Deal
#20 - Kareem Rush - Out after rookie deal
#21 - Qyntel Woods - WAIVED before rookie deal ends
#22 - Casey Jacobsen - Out after Rookie deal
#23 - Tayshaun Prince - Only solid NBA player not injury prone and won a NBA title.
#24 - Nenad Krstić - Lasted 5 years in the league.
#25 - Frank Williams - WAIVED during rookie deal.
#26 - John Salmons - Still in league and has had a respectable career.
#27 - Chris Jefferies - Waived during rookie deal. Only played 72 games in career.
#28 - Dan Dickau - For two years straight was put in a deal and PAID not to play.

Wow that really was a terrible draft class.

[Orlando Tragic]

For all you guys that think draft picks are the way to go, you only need to look at the carnage that draft sometime become. Just take the 2002 draft class for example. GO get Bynum and take your chances he resigns. The chances are much higher than getting lucky in the draft. Even Nicholson may end up being a bust just based on draft history. I remember when Ely and Wilcox were supposed to be the next great big men. That is how it goes. The draft gets over hyped and stupid teams trade for players who have yet to prove themselves. Trading a star player for draft picks is ridiculous when you have a chance to get a sure thing in Bynum. He may not be Howard, but we will not get an equal return no matter what.

#1 - Yao Ming - Injury Career Ending
#2 - Jay Williams - Injury Career Ending
#3 - Mike Dunleavy - Mid-level Exception Player
#4 - Drew Gooden - Head case and Mid-level Exception P;ayer
#5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili - #30 on the list of the worst 100 draft picks ever.
#6 - Dajuan Wagner - Couldn't take a dump, had to have colon removed, out of league.
#7 - Nene - Constantly injured and paid at $13 mil per year. (has missed 2 whole seasons from injury)
#8 - Chris Wilcox - Signed Mid-level $3 mil with Boston
#9 - Amar'e Stoudemire - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS on a MAX DEAL
#10 - Caron Butler - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS and on a $8 mil deal with clips not even starting.
#11 - Jared Jeffries - Poster boy for overpaid contracts prior to Rashard Lewis. Barely productive.
#12 - Melvin Ely - Out after rookie deal
#13 - Marcus Haislip - WAIVED during rookie contract
#14 - Fred Jones - Out of league after rookie deal
#15 - Jiří Welsch - Out of League in 4 years
#16 - Boštjan Nachbar - Out of league after rookie deal
#17 - Juan Dixon - Out after rookie deal
#18 - Curtis Borchardt - Never played a minute of NBA ball INJURED
#19 - Ryan Humphrey - Out after Rookie Deal
#20 - Kareem Rush - Out after rookie deal
#21 - Qyntel Woods - WAIVED before rookie deal ends
#22 - Casey Jacobsen - Out after Rookie deal
#23 - Tayshaun Prince - Only solid NBA player not injury prone and won a NBA title.
#24 - Nenad Krstić - Lasted 5 years in the league.
#25 - Frank Williams - WAIVED during rookie deal.
#26 - John Salmons - Still in league and has had a respectable career.
#27 - Chris Jefferies - Waived during rookie deal. Only played 72 games in career.
#28 - Dan Dickau - For two years straight was put in a deal and PAID not to play.

Eye opening.

[OrlChamps2030]

How is it "obvious" you don't need a big man to win in the NBA today?

Maybe if you have two top 5 wing players like the Heat...but that logic is seriously laughable and clearly has an agenda behind it.

[eyriq]

What you definitely need to win a championship is a game changing player. Which is why I prefer getting back Bynum to any Houston deal.

[rcklsscognition]

Robin Lundberg ‏@robinlundberg
A 23-year-old walks into the Garden, proceeds to put up huge numbers and becomes a marketing sensation. Then he leaves for nothing.

Got this from the panic thread on the Knicks board.

[TheMagicOne]

For all you guys that think draft picks are the way to go, you only need to look at the carnage that draft sometime become. Just take the 2002 draft class for example. GO get Bynum and take your chances he resigns. The chances are much higher than getting lucky in the draft. Even Nicholson may end up being a bust just based on draft history. I remember when Ely and Wilcox were supposed to be the next great big men. That is how it goes. The draft gets over hyped and stupid teams trade for players who have yet to prove themselves. Trading a star player for draft picks is ridiculous when you have a chance to get a sure thing in Bynum. He may not be Howard, but we will not get an equal return no matter what.

#1 - Yao Ming - Injury Career Ending
#2 - Jay Williams - Injury Career Ending
#3 - Mike Dunleavy - Mid-level Exception Player
#4 - Drew Gooden - Head case and Mid-level Exception P;ayer
#5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili - #30 on the list of the worst 100 draft picks ever.
#6 - Dajuan Wagner - Couldn't take a dump, had to have colon removed, out of league.
#7 - Nene - Constantly injured and paid at $13 mil per year. (has missed 2 whole seasons from injury)
#8 - Chris Wilcox - Signed Mid-level $3 mil with Boston
#9 - Amar'e Stoudemire - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS on a MAX DEAL
#10 - Caron Butler - HUGE HEALTH CONCERNS and on a $8 mil deal with clips not even starting.
#11 - Jared Jeffries - Poster boy for overpaid contracts prior to Rashard Lewis. Barely productive.
#12 - Melvin Ely - Out after rookie deal
#13 - Marcus Haislip - WAIVED during rookie contract
#14 - Fred Jones - Out of league after rookie deal
#15 - Jiří Welsch - Out of League in 4 years
#16 - Boštjan Nachbar - Out of league after rookie deal
#17 - Juan Dixon - Out after rookie deal
#18 - Curtis Borchardt - Never played a minute of NBA ball INJURED
#19 - Ryan Humphrey - Out after Rookie Deal
#20 - Kareem Rush - Out after rookie deal
#21 - Qyntel Woods - WAIVED before rookie deal ends
#22 - Casey Jacobsen - Out after Rookie deal
#23 - Tayshaun Prince - Only solid NBA player not injury prone and won a NBA title.
#24 - Nenad Krstić - Lasted 5 years in the league.
#25 - Frank Williams - WAIVED during rookie deal.
#26 - John Salmons - Still in league and has had a respectable career.
#27 - Chris Jefferies - Waived during rookie deal. Only played 72 games in career.
#28 - Dan Dickau - For two years straight was put in a deal and PAID not to play.

Eye opening.

Any of you Magic fans want to dump all our bad contracts & Howard for 5 picks in that draft class?

It is not the only one like that. So many draft classes are just like this.

Just look we got Gortat as one of the LAST picks in the second round. As much as you want this to be an exact science, there is way more uncertainty on the players you draft than the ones already in the league and are more proven.

[kasedafk_1]

WTF is devos doing? Does he like giving our superstars to the lakers? **** him if he trades Coward for sorry ass Bynum. Why tank next year for shabazz when devos will just hand him over to the lakers.. SmH.. Don't pull the the trigger **** the lakers.

[TheMagicOne]

WTF is devos doing? Does he like giving our superstars to the lakers? **** him if he trades Coward for sorry ass Bynum. Why tank next year for shabazz when devos will just hand him over to the lakers.. SmH.. Don't pull the the trigger **** the lakers.

No guarantee in Shabazz, but there is one in Bynum. Atleast you know you have a chance to get Bynum and start building a team around him now.

[TheMagicOne]

New topic up NUMBER XXXX...OMG when will it end.

[OrlandO]

How is it "obvious" you don't need a big man to win in the NBA today?

Maybe if you have two top 5 wing players like the Heat...but that logic is seriously laughable and clearly has an agenda behind it.

They're just being optimistic about a post Dwight Howard Magic era where we may not have a dominating center for a very long time. But I agree with you, if you're not going to have a star big, you likely need multiple star wings. Unfortunately, we may not get either scenario for a while... which is why I prefer taking Bynum now and then find a complimenting star later.

[TheMagicOne]

How is it "obvious" you don't need a big man to win in the NBA today?

Maybe if you have two top 5 wing players like the Heat...but that logic is seriously laughable and clearly has an agenda behind it.

They're just being optimistic about a post Dwight Howard Magic era where we may not have a dominating center for a very long time. But I agree with you, if you're not going to have a star big, you likely need multiple star wings. Unfortunately, we may not get either scenario for a while... which is why I prefer taking Bynum now and then find a complimenting star later.

Exactly

[Orlando Tragic]

What you definitely need to win a championship is a game changing player. Which is why I prefer getting back Bynum to any Houston deal.

^This^

[kasedafk_1]

WTF is devos doing? Does he like giving our superstars to the lakers? **** him if he trades Coward for sorry ass Bynum. Why tank next year for shabazz when devos will just hand him over to the lakers.. SmH.. Don't pull the the trigger **** the lakers.

No guarantee in Shabazz, but there is one in Bynum. Atleast you know you have a chance to get Bynum and start building a team around him now.

The only guarantee Bynum gives is first round knockouts for years to come.... I'll pass on that and devos better as well... Are we LA's farming team?! I'm sick of this ****...