OFFICIAL:I **** HATE DOLAN, THIS ORG, MELO, JR, ETC THREAD

[Mr_Perfect]

It's probably for the best that you don't accept it anyway, it'll be easier for ya.

Is this your way of admitting you know absolutely nothing and quietly exiting the thread in failure?

[Knicker23]

It's probably for the best that you don't accept it anyway, it'll be easier for ya.

Is this your way of admitting you know absolutely nothing and quietly exiting the thread in failure?

Nope, it's my way of saying i've accepted you wanting Lin to come out squeaky clean do no wrong no matter what, and it'd probably be tough on someone like you to learn otherwise. So it's best not trying.

Let's just go with this: Melo kidnapped Lin and forced him to play in Houston.. It's easier for us all.

[daba]

Taken from the Rockets board, but I think it's dead on.
Grunwald got played by Darryl Morey...

Hypothetical - Did Morey deliberately reach a lower agreement w Lin, bait the Knicks into other moves to eat cap, and then lower the Boom by jacking up the Lin deal, thus making it harder to match?

Timeline
Pre July 5 - many reports that Rockets are in negotiations w/ Lin. Terms reported to be as high as $40MM over $4 years, or equivalent to what we offered Dragic.

July 5: Reports come out that Rockets have agreed to terms w Lin for a $5MM/$5MM/$9MM contract. Clutchfans roars in approval at the pricetag, and then immediatly facepalms with the realization that the Knicks will definitely match.

Same day, Knicks reach agreement w Jason Kidd. Statements immediately follow indicating that Kidd is going there to mentor Lin, and Knicks intend to have both of them. Joy in Gotham City.

July 9: Knicks SnT for Marcus Camby, 3yrs, $10MM. In doing so, Knicks send the Rockets Tony Douglas (and pay his salary), since they don't need his ass to backup Lin. Hours later, Knicks sign Steve Novak to 4yr/15MM.

July 11: Knicks sign JR Smith for $2.8MM/1yr.

Then Boom comes the dynomite - Rockets sign Lin to the mega poison pill contract with nearly $15MM guaranteed in year 3.

Analysis
First, the timing is curious.
- After the initial reports of Lin's term sheet being a modest $5MM/$5MM/$9MM structure, the Knicks spend money and land Kidd, SnT for Camby, trade Douglas, sign Novak and JR Smith. I mean, why not -- the Lin contract is just so cheap and reasonable.
- On July 9, when Morey agreed to SnT Camby to the Knicks, I'm guessing the Knicks felt Morey did them a favor by negotiating such a reasonable contract with Lin. Morey seemingly handed Lin to the Knicks on a silver platter, with a 20% off coupon. Why not give our friend David Motet $2MM, our backup PG, a couple of 7 footers and 2 second round picks. I mean, it's the least they could do.

Second, when is the last time that a team reaches an agreement with a RFA, and then offers a significantly richer deal? None comes to mind. Can anyone remember such an instance? Particularly with a high profile player. Ever?

Third, didn't the initial report of Lin's $5MM/$5MM/$9MM offer sheet make us all scratch our heads? I know my initial reaction was -- what's the point? There's not nearly enough poison on this pill to make NY care.

So I ask the question -- Did Maori rig this whole Lin "renegotiation" to bait the Knicks into spending money and make it harder for them to match?

(Underlying this question is whether the Knicks would find it easier to match if they had not done the Kidd, Camby, Novak and Smith deals).

(of course, this is all moot if the Knicks match anyway, but I don't think they will).

[Mr_Perfect]

It's probably for the best that you don't accept it anyway, it'll be easier for ya.

Is this your way of admitting you know absolutely nothing and quietly exiting the thread in failure?

Nope, it's my way of saying i've accepted you wanting Lin to come out squeaky clean do no wrong no matter what, and it'd probably be tough on someone like you to learn otherwise. So it's best not trying.

Let's just go with this: Melo kidnapped Lin and forced him to play in Houston.. It's easier for us all.

You have issues, dude. That's all there is to it.

Someone like me? And you are, what, exactly? You are a level headed dude who believes (Please Use More Appropriate Word) conspiracies over a simple offer sheet match/don't match concept? Yeah, you sure got a clear head on your shoulders and you've given me so much factual evidence to support your statements. Good stuff.

I don't care about Lin being squeaky clean. I live in reality and I'm talking to you about things that happened in reality, not a Berman hearsay article that nobody else reported. Take your BS to someone else, not me.

[Grover]

Many of us are with you Brother. Nobody on the roster has been here for three years and the stretch provision could turn the cap hit in year three to under $8M. It all smells like something very troubling behind the scenes is going on. I will be cheering for Houston in the West next year unless Dolan takes a cue from George Steinbrenner before midnight.

[LINearity Wins]

Finally , the Knicks did something for both NYK, Hou Rockets and Lin all.
Fans in NY please look forward and think about what you will get..
Like better chemical effect or more experience than young talent

[polarbears815]

Lin wasn't willing to take less money.. Go JR!

Lin's been making the minimum the last 2 seasons. His career earnings is $1 million compared to JR who's earned $25 million during his career. Give me a break.

This.

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It's a verbal agreement and it can be changed and it has been done before.

The Rockets changed the terms of the offer sheet because the Knicks privately and publicly said they would watch. Woodson was already talking about Lin in the starting lineup. The Rockets knew they'd match and wanted Lin badly. They changed the terms so they can increase their chances to get Lin. It's not rocket science.

What "facts" are you presenting me with other than continuous quotes from Berman articles? You're believing what you want to believe and actually ignoring reality for whatever reason. Maybe it's to feel better about Lin leaving or maybe it's because you never liked Lin or maybe even because you choose to be delusional. Either way, what you're say

A verbal agreement was made, and Lin liked the deal. If he wanted to come back to the Knicks, why would he renegotiate? The 4 year deal was already going to give him more money than the Knicks could offer, but he wanted more guaranteed money. That's the difference. He doesn't have to worry about a team option. Why is this so hard to understand?

And Berman wasn't the only one that said Lin and his agent went back. The Daily News did too.

And don't give me that the "Knicks would match anything" talk, because the 4 year deal was reported after the Knicks made those statements.

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Seems like you're just throwing things in here to deflect from the fact that you know absolutely nothing about the situation and are making things up as you go along.

The Knicks said they'll match BEFORE the 4 yr deal was made public. So it's not an excuse to say the Rockets upped the offer, because they thought the Knicks would match. They still offered the 4 yr deal knowing that too.

[Jim Dolan]

its plain and simple, no need to overanalyze this. Lin renegotiated because he was lead to believe the Knicks would continue to match any contract under the sun. He over played his hand. He may or may have prefered New York. But given the culture of this team - lukewarm Melo, a coach that doesnt like him, JR Smith a two bit low class THUG, its quite possible at some point Lin deep down prefered Houston.

its best for both parties involved now IMO

[Mr_Perfect]

A verbal agreement was made, and Lin liked the deal. If he wanted to come back to the Knicks, why would he renegotiate? The 4 year deal was already going to give him more money than the Knicks could offer, but he wanted more guaranteed money. That's the difference. He doesn't have to worry about a team option. Why is this so hard to understand?

Are you not understanding the words I'm typing? The Rockets wanted Lin. The Rockets wanted Lin. The Rockets wanted Lin. That's why they changed the offer. THEY changed the offer, NOT LIN. The Rockets changed the offer to Jeremy Lin because it gave them a greater chance of acquiring him. Jeremy Lin signed the contract the Rockets offered to him. Their final offer was a 3 year deal. End of story.

And Berman wasn't the only one that said Lin and his agent went back. The Daily News did too.

Frank Isola! Another one in the trio of idiots (which also includes Stephen A). Yeah, all of a sudden we believe Frank Isola when people clown him for everything. Now he and Berman are trusted sources on this.

The Knicks said they'll match BEFORE the 4 yr deal was made public. So it's not an excuse to say the Rockets upped the offer, because they thought the Knicks would match. They still offered the 4 yr deal knowing that too.

The Knicks never publicly said they'd match any offer. The only time Woodson commented on anything about Lin was the day before the Rockets changed their offer.

[barborous]

Lin wasn't willing to take less money.. Go JR!

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...aren't you a heat fan?

[NowWHYcee7]

Hell yeah. Melo, Tyson, JR, and Shump are my favorite knicks.

I liked Lin but he proved himself to be a muffin. *PEACE*

[GnarlesOakley]

Hell yeah. Melo, Tyson, JR, and Shump are my favorite knicks.

I liked Lin but he proved himself to be a muffin. *PEACE*

Because Tyson and Melo didn't get paid, right?

[CoolKids]

I want(ed?) the Knicks to bring Lin back. My point was this didnt need its own thread. Been discussed to death throughtout 10+ other ones.

[Fury]

Wrong thread.

[Hitman33]

OP: I agree 100000%. This is insane. Reading your post made me have the last glimmer of hope that maybe, somehow, someway there is maybe even a .0000000001% chance that they could still match.

I'm gonna hold on to that for 3 more hours.

[Knicker23]

You have issues, dude. That's all there is to it.

Someone like me? And you are, what, exactly? You are a level headed dude who believes (Please Use More Appropriate Word) conspiracies over a simple offer sheet match/don't match concept? Yeah, you sure got a clear head on your shoulders and you've given me so much factual evidence to support your statements. Good stuff.

I don't care about Lin being squeaky clean. I live in reality and I'm talking to you about things that happened in reality, not a Berman hearsay article that nobody else reported. Take your BS to someone else, not me.

- You can hate on Berman all you want, he knows information you and I don't

- It really isn't some wild conspiracy. It's the way things work with Dolan and it makes perfect sense, if you know the type of guy he is and his history. Whether you agree with it or not, seems clear to me Dolan was rubbed the wrong way by the second deal emerging (see: Knicks openly accepting first one, not accepting second)...... One could only assume Lin or Lin's people are involved in that "rubbing Dolan the wrong way" - or else they would not have changed their position to match. It's really not that outlandish. You don't have to agree with it or like it, but it's likely the way it happened.

Ironically Berman tweeted what I just said as well.. If Rockets had offered Lin the final figures he signed, originally, the Knicks probably go about it a lot different....But bc it went down this way, Dolan had the chance to see/feel w/e something he didn't like about it all, and it lead to this. He's spiteful.

Some connecting of the dots involved sure.... But not that hard to see.

[daba]

It's okay. We got Fatty Felton and an over the hill/partying maniac in J-Kidd to replace him. Promise land here we come!

[biggyfuzz]

We all realize it. This is a dark day in Knicks history. I am fully confident, Lin will be a 3 time all-star with Houston, and will have career averages of 17/8. It's really sad, but we must move on. We still have a great team, and a great chance.

yeah he will because who else they got to score the ball besides Martin

he's going to have a great great year next year and the next three seasons

[rocarlos24]

another LIN thread