How/When Does Al/Sap Situation Resolve?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #1 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:25 pm

Well, the draft has passed and for the most part the signing of free agents too. Sap and Big Al are still Jazz players. So, how does this get resolved? When?

From the signings of centers and power forwards the past week or two, it is clear that both Sap and Al will be able to sign multi-years deals in the $10M-$15M per year range. For a small market team like the Jazz, you have to wonder if the new CBA has done anything. Personally, I don't think that they can afford to sign both, with the view of signing Favors, Hayward, Burks and Kanter in the near future (as well as Mo or another starting PG)- anyone have any realistic, specific contrary thoughts?

I can see some problems on the horizon as far as team chemistry/player contentment. Favors came out of his exit interview with the view that he would start next season. Sap is in his contract year and setting himself up for the biggest contract of his career. I doubt that he willingly and quietly gives up his starting spot.

Can the Jazz pull off the, "sorry Favors, you've worked hard this summer, but Sap is still the starter", and increase Favors minutes by playing Sap and Al each a little less and/or moving Sap to the SF occassionally? How long could this last and will this keep everyone happy and on the same page clear until the trade deadline?

Post #2 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:32 pm

They should get something for Al or Paul while they can. I'll still be surprised if the open the season with both of them on the roster.

Post #3 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:44 pm

Can the Jazz pull off the, "sorry Favors, you've worked hard this summer, but Sap is still the starter", and increase Favors minutes by playing Sap and Al each a little less and/or moving Sap to the SF occassionally? How long could this last and will this keep everyone happy and on the same page clear until the trade deadline?

I think the big lineup deserves a chance to show it doesn't work. Not all teams are superbly coached like the Spurs and there is a big difference between regular season games and playoffs. This will also make both Favors and Milsap starters and keep them both happy while giving Milsap the chance to perform in a contract year. I doubt it will happen though, with the addition of Marvill. I'm guessing we may see the big lineup on a situational basis.

As for dealing Al\Sap, I think that unless KOC get a really good deal, both of them will finish the season in a Jazz uni.

Regarding the prices we've seen, I think each offseason has a "climate" of its own, and this one was the last one before the new CBA rules come into full effect. Next offseason can be quite different in terms of the prices we see thrown out there, even for bigs. If that end up to be the case, there is a chance at least one of them stays on a decent long term contract. If Milsap is willing to come off the bench, both of them have a chance to stay. When a 20-10 guy (Big Al) says he wants to retire wearing your team's jersey, you can't discount that.

Jazzfan12 · Post #4 » by **Jazzfan12** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:10 am

Millsap will leave in free agency, I don't know what will happen with Al.

idajazz · Post #5 » by **idajazz** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:45 am

sadly Sap's days in a Jazz uni are numbered. My gut feeling is that they want to see favors prove that he is ready. I think that will happen early and Sap will be traded before the deadline.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #6 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:13 am

Once the Dwightmare is situated, expect the timer on Sap/Al to start ticking. Until then I doubt anything happens.

Cappsy11 · Post #7 » by **Cappsy11** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:36 am

Fain dinkum don't need to trade any of them at the moment. Kanter is not ready to start for the moment and there is no problem him coming in for big AL and grow from there. If though Milsap accepts a bench role this year (replace Favors).. sign him up during the year it makes Utah second unit very dangerous for any side.. especially if Josh howard or Marvin Williams come off the bench with Burks and Tinsley..
Scary

By the way as anyone heard about Josh Howard or Miles positions at the moment?
Would you trade for Jimmer or sign Ronnie Brewer?

Jazzfan12 · Post #8 » by **Jazzfan12** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:55 am

Millsap coming off the bench doesn't solve any issues minutes-wise and Corbin is not going to start Favors over Millsap or Al, it's not in his DNA.

outerspacefella · Post #9 » by **outerspacefella** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:58 am

Humphries signed for 12M per season... how much do you think Millsap and Jefferson will ask for?
One of them (or both) will leave SLC before midseason deadline...

kebutah · Post #10 » by **kebutah** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:29 am

The Nets signed Hump for that much to maintain flexibility for a Howard trade. e is not worth that contract.

Neon Black · Post #11 » by **Neon Black** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:02 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:Millsap coming off the bench doesn't solve any issues minutes-wise and Corbin is not going to start Favors over Millsap or Al, it's not in his DNA.

As much as I support Corbin this statement is true, and it drives me crazy. He can't get over the fact that he rode the bench forever as a young player. His reasoning has a strong emotional basis so he's not just going to change his mind. Being Sloan's assistant while Jerry played non-NBA talent in front of a rookie star in Deron, pampering Boozer because of his years in the league and salary...these things don't help Favor's case.

I don't give a crap about getting a few more wins and getting swept out of the playoffs at the expense of the development of players that have the potential to anchor this franchise for a decade.

Bullet · Post #12 » by **Bullet** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:56 am

Didn't Favors start the first two games last season? I don't get why you guys say Corbin doesn't have the guts to start him.

Does anyone know when the deadline for extensions is? This "bigs situation" is kinda tricky, and it must be giving KOC headaches. On the one hand, you can't bench Millsap (or Big Al) for Favors and not affect his play. It is a contract year for him. You can opt to give him an extension, thus making it a litle easier for him to accept a sixth man role, but that would get in Big Al's head-- Why wasn't he extended? Is this his last year in Utah? etc., etc. Best deal would be to not extend both. But Millsap would definitely want that starting 4 spot.

Jazzfan12 · Post #13 » by **Jazzfan12** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:52 pm

kebutah wrote:The Nets signed Hump for that much to maintain flexibility for a Howard trade. e is not worth that contract.

Yeah, the Magic are never agreeing to a trade to get Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries at those salaries.

kebutah · Post #14 » by **kebutah** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:54 pm

It wasn't for Howard- it was for Orlando' bad contract.

Jazzfan12 · Post #15 » by **Jazzfan12** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:08 pm

kebutah wrote:It wasn't for Howard- it was for Orlando' bad contract.

The Magic's bad contracts aren't really bad anymore and most are the same length as Humphries' deal or less.

HolyToledo · Post #16 » by **HolyToledo** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:39 pm

Definitely the Jazz should trade away Big Al and sign Milsap long term BUT it is not going to happen. Jazz are going to start Favors and Big AL together with Marvin at SF, Hayward at SG and Mo at PG with Millsap backing up at PF and SF. Unfortunately, this means limited minutes for Kanter and no minutes for Evans.

A trade of Big AL or even amnesty Big AL would be best for the development of our young guys.

Hoops Addict · Post #17 » by **Hoops Addict** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:07 pm

Jefferson will only remain with the Jazz if he will accept $8M a year......he will walk for more money, the Jazz let him go.

Milsap is different. Will the Jazz sign him to $4M at $40 Million? Can he get more since HUMPhries ( former Jazz man) signed for $12M a year?

The new CBA will punish the unwise. It is time to do the MATH.

Need to be resigned=
Favors-
Gordon-
Burks-
Kanter-

Can we afford him?

It is a tough choice. If Milsap gets signed to a 4yr.-$48M contract.....we cannot match without destroying our ability to sign our other players.

I say look for a trade....Milsap will get $10M+ probably.

We are lucky to have so many valuable expiring contracts.

Ugly0598 · Post #18 » by **Ugly0598** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:21 pm

I really hope it gets resolved, but my gut feeling says it's not going to until the trade deadline.

aaa · Post #19 » by **aaa** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:31 pm

So is the general consensus that Favors, at some point, will move into the starting lineup? Like perhaps the Jazz showcase Millsap until moving him at the deadline and sliding Favors into his spot? That seems like the smoothest way to handle it for all sides.

blackham9258 · Post #20 » by **blackham9258** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:50 pm

KOC needs to be very careful with Millsap's resigning. He just overspent a little to keep a fan favorite by offering $1.8M per to Jeremy Evans, who at best should have gotten league minimum with a team option for a second year.

The market is screwed up right now because of Prokorov's overpayment to his bigs:

Illyasova - who is a better player than Millsap or close to got 5/$40M = $8M per and he is a starter.
Bass- is the best comparable and is a starter for Boston and he got 3/$20M or $6.67M per.
Millsap- will be a backup and he should not get more than Bass. I think Millsap is worth $7M max per year and only for 3 years max. If we pay $8M per we have overpaid, but I would understand. The key is to keep the years to 3 and the maximum to $8M per. Anything more in money or more in years is bad cap managment for a guy who is best as a backup.

I love Millsap like everyone else but if he is your starting PF you are not a top 4 team period!

I would like to see us resign Millsap for 3/$20 just like Bass, unfortunately I think we will overpay. If Millsap dares to ask for and demand $10M per we should let the season play out. Does Millsap really think that as a bench player 6th man, he will somehow command $10M per year in a capped out league in the first year of the higher penalized CBA? He would be foolish to turn down a 3/$20M deal now. Besides all of this I am concerned that Millsap has breakdown written all over him and am concerned that he could be Matt Harpring all over again.

You just can't pay much more than the MLE to bench players under this new cba.