OFFICIAL:I **** HATE DOLAN, THIS ORG, MELO, JR, ETC THREAD

[watchmen77]

I dont think some people do not understand what we may be dodging here as well. I understand the young player thing but what if god forbid what if he is nothing more then a back up.... What if you were 14 million dollars for that......
There are two sides to every coin and the people here riding lins jock like he is the end all be all could heaven forbid be wrong. I hate loosing a young player for nothing but let's be realistic here chances are hr is closer to average then stardom. I understand the anger here bt come n let lin go if he wanted to stay according to reports he needed to speak up he did not good riddance to people who do not want to be here I don't want them

well, this is a gamble. like taking anyone with a num 2 or num 1 pick in the lottery, you have to gamble and see if it pans out unless you truly believe Fatten + Melo + whoever can really take the knicks over the top. If there is a better chance with Lin, then you have to gamble, because this is the only chance for the next three years, simple as that.

[rammagen]

Lin's agent "Jeremy the Rockets just called and said they will up the offer because they really want you to sign there"

Lin: "OK"

Knicks Fan: "Greedy mother$!$&"

your right he is greedy

[KnicksFTW]

I'm done.

[ibraheim718]

Got NY on his neck. RIDE OR DIE

When did you turn into Ice-T?

[god shammgod]

Gregg Doyel: Regarding Jeremy Lin's future: How often is an NBA player's first 25 starts his best 25 starts? Almost never.

tell that to channing frye and landry fields

[ibraheim718]

This thread is way too gangsta for me... I'm too old for this chit.

[Jim Dolan]

Gregg Doyel: Regarding Jeremy Lin's future: How often is an NBA player's first 25 starts his best 25 starts? Almost never.

tell that to channing frye and landry fields

Fry got better in Phoenix

[No.Bull.Son]

Lin showed some talent. I for one can't get over this one thing. Whenever someone D'd Lin up Full court, and really pressured the ball. He looked suspect. How can your PG. The guy with the ball in hands frequently, look so questionable when bringing the ball up. No trap, No press. Man to man D.

Note: this is when we started keeping a big in the back court to set a little screen, to give Lin (and others) that little step they needed on the defender.

That never really sat well with me with Lin. That seems like a small enough thing to correct, so he probably worked hard on that, and will probably show a little better in that area. However, this concern is a similar concern that you would have for a player who you are trying to MAKE into a pg.

[god shammgod]

Gregg Doyel: Regarding Jeremy Lin's future: How often is an NBA player's first 25 starts his best 25 starts? Almost never.

tell that to channing frye and landry fields

Fry got better in Phoenix

oh yeah. he's great.

[Kampuchea]

This thread is way too gangsta for me... I'm too old for this chit.

Ice T was great back in the day. I used to love the tracks he did with Ice Cube

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Teams do not change a verbal agreement, unless it's agreed upon. It's bad business; same way teams don't pull verbal offers when agreed. (Because we know Landry's would have been a prime example.) Lin renegotiated - he wanted to. Otherwise, he would be signing that 4 yr deal. Why do you think agreed to the new deal? Because it guaranteed more money. Lin got a little greedy, and it cost him.

It cost us too. A lot of people seem to think that painting Lin as the loser here makes us the winners by default.

[towelie]

I dont think some people do not understand what we may be dodging here as well. I understand the young player thing but what if god forbid what if he is nothing more then a back up.... What if you were 14 million dollars for that......
There are two sides to every coin and the people here riding lins jock like he is the end all be all could heaven forbid be wrong. I hate loosing a young player for nothing but let's be realistic here chances are hr is closer to average then stardom. I understand the anger here bt come n let lin go if he wanted to stay according to reports he needed to speak up he did not good riddance to people who do not want to be here I don't want them

It's 14M for ONE year. He's a $5M for his first two and that's a bargain for a starting PG.

Even if he doesn't pan out and Dolan wants to avoid the tax hit, he can be waived and then stretch his contract out over a number of years. Or we could waive 42 year old Jason Kidd and Marcus Camby in year 3 which would save Dolan an additional $12 or so million.

It makes ZERO basketball sense to not match. And I find it hard to believe that after years and years of fiscal irresponsibility, Dolan finally decides to put his wallet away when it comes to a marketable, electrifying, and young point guard of the future. Even if he doesn't pan out, this is a better gamble than Jerome James, Eddy Curry, and countless other bad signings. This reeks of Dolan taking it personal and holding a grudge against Lin and his agent.

And personally, I agree completely with the OP. 25 games may be a small sample, but it's no larger really than Felton's short stint as a Knick. And what I saw was a point guard who could penetrate the paint at will, find the open man or the roll man, and has shown he could draw fouls, nail jumpers, and hit gamewinners without fear. And he was 23 years old.

And we are getting nothing in return for finding this diamond in the rough.

[MaseInYourFace]

Gregg Doyel: Regarding Jeremy Lin's future: How often is an NBA player's first 25 starts his best 25 starts? Almost never.

tell that to channing frye and landry fields

Fry got better in Phoenix

Uhh no he did not. Frye just became a one dimensional shooter in PHX.

[CK24]

Still not worth that kind of money..

[King 30]

We need Isiah to save us and talk some sense into Jimmy"s head. Isiah wouldn't let a young asset walk away for nothing. He might trade it for a long term contract but that's another story.

[blackbishop]

and with all of that, it seems the coach and gm, ya know the people who evaluate players did not want t start the season with only lin as the PG.
for some reason they did not think he was worth a 40 plus million payment .

i trust their opinion over fans in love with his magical 7 game run. Fans who ignored his next 12 games where the knicks went 4-8 or that the knicks were still able to go 12-5 without lin and davis/bibby manning the point.

I am happy for lin, he will get to prove he is better than curry 4x a year, dragic 4x a year, lowry 2x a year, as well as have an interesting two games with the knicks this upcoming year.

I am happy lin got what he wanted. He wanted to be paid more than he wanted to be a knick. Cool. I got it.

[RutgersBJJ]

Gregg Doyel: Regarding Jeremy Lin's future: How often is an NBA player's first 25 starts his best 25 starts? Almost never.

tell that to channing frye and landry fields

Tyreke Evans
OJ Mayo
Brandon Jennings
Darren Collison


oh look all combo guards with serious flaws and no 3 point shooting. All turnover prone outside of Mayo. All started sucking once the book was out on them.

Sounds like someone who used to be a Knick.

[damedash09]

LMAO

[No-Man]

Lin isn't going to be better than Jarrett Jack.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Taken from the Rockets board, but I think it's dead on.
Grunwald got played by Darryl Morey...

Hypothetical - Did Morey deliberately reach a lower agreement w Lin, bait the Knicks into other moves to eat cap, and then lower the Boom by jacking up the Lin deal, thus making it harder to match?

Timeline
Pre July 5 - many reports that Rockets are in negotiations w/ Lin. Terms reported to be as high as $40MM over $4 years, or equivalent to what we offered Dragic.

July 5: Reports come out that Rockets have agreed to terms w Lin for a $5MM/$5MM/$9MM contract. Clutchfans roars in approval at the pricetag, and then immediatly facepalms with the realization that the Knicks will definitely match.

Same day, Knicks reach agreement w Jason Kidd. Statements immediately follow indicating that Kidd is going there to mentor Lin, and Knicks intend to have both of them. Joy in Gotham City.

July 9: Knicks SnT for Marcus Camby, 3yrs, $10MM. In doing so, Knicks send the Rockets Tony Douglas (and pay his salary), since they don't need his ass to backup Lin. Hours later, Knicks sign Steve Novak to 4yr/15MM.

July 11: Knicks sign JR Smith for $2.8MM/1yr.

Then Boom comes the dynomite - Rockets sign Lin to the mega poison pill contract with nearly $15MM guaranteed in year 3.

Analysis
First, the timing is curious.
- After the initial reports of Lin's term sheet being a modest $5MM/$5MM/$9MM structure, the Knicks spend money and land Kidd, SnT for Camby, trade Douglas, sign Novak and JR Smith. I mean, why not -- the Lin contract is just so cheap and reasonable.
- On July 9, when Morey agreed to SnT Camby to the Knicks, I'm guessing the Knicks felt Morey did them a favor by negotiating such a reasonable contract with Lin. Morey seemingly handed Lin to the Knicks on a silver platter, with a 20% off coupon. Why not give our friend David Motet $2MM, our backup PG, a couple of 7 footers and 2 second round picks. I mean, it's the least they could do.

Second, when is the last time that a team reaches an agreement with a RFA, and then offers a significantly richer deal? None comes to mind. Can anyone remember such an instance? Particularly with a high profile player. Ever?

Third, didn't the initial report of Lin's $5MM/$5MM/$9MM offer sheet make us all scratch our heads? I know my initial reaction was -- what's the point? There's not nearly enough poison on this pill to make NY care.

So I ask the question -- Did Maori rig this whole Lin "renegotiation" to bait the Knicks into spending money and make it harder for them to match?

(Underlying this question is whether the Knicks would find it easier to match if they had not done the Kidd, Camby, Novak and Smith deals).

(of course, this is all moot if the Knicks match anyway, but I don't think they will).

If this dude is such a genius, how about he get his team into the playoffs?